youthemanog Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 Look who is number 10. I told you guys he is a flash in a pan. His senior bowl game was awful
billykay Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 I admit that I have only seen Rudolph play once & I have also seen video hi lites. I know that the hi lites aren't the best way to evaluate a QB, but one can easily see that Rudolph definitely does not have a week arm. Is he Elway? No. But his arm looks adequate for the pro game.
Dr. Who Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Augie said: Would you still see going to 3 or 4 if Rosen and Darnold are gone in the top 2 picks? If so, who is the target??? Baker Mayfield.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Augie said: Would you still see going to 3 or 4 if Rosen and Darnold are gone in the top 2 picks? If so, who is the target??? Baker would be the target (although I think he is going 1 to Cleveland).
DCOrange Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, billykay said: I admit that I have only seen Rudolph play once & I have also seen video hi lites. I know that the hi lites aren't the best way to evaluate a QB, but one can easily see that Rudolph definitely does not have a week arm. Is he Elway? No. But his arm looks adequate for the pro game. Eh, his arm strength is definitely questionable. If you watch his game film, you'll see a lot of Peterman-esq passes that just float out to the sideline and are ripe for INTs if not for his WRs being amazing. Even his highlights you'll see his deep ball hang in the air a ton and force his WRs to basically box the corner/safety out to catch the ball.
JohnC Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Baker would be the target (although I think he is going 1 to Cleveland). I see Darnold being their first choice with Mayfield being their second choice. I'm sure there will be some competing preferences in the front office but in the end if they keep their first pick they would in my opinion select Darnold. What I find to be very plausible is with their next high pick they could deal it off and still get a desirable high end back and some other good additions.
The_Dude Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 I can’t help but think ‘why don’t we get ourselves a a scheme where Rudolph can throw for 4000 yards here?’ ”scheme” is a scouting cop out.
1st&ten Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 4 hours ago, John from Hemet said: Its certainly better then ghost "scouts" who wont even put their name on their evaluation Mayock sits out front and center for everyone to see....and is more often right then he is wrong I agree. I often wonder if these no name scouts aren't just trying to devalue a player for their team's benefit.
billsredneck1 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 everybody seems to have an opinion and thinks they are right. i would take my own guesses here ,but i'll stick with what i know will be for sure..... things will go as nobody predicted. trades will be made. the draft order will be scrambled. the fo will do something that no one saw coming. then we go to ota's. all i know is that my hope and expectation for this team this year is nothing short of commanding a wc spot if not take the division...(thank you nick foles!).... 1
FearLess Price Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 5 hours ago, John from Hemet said: This is all assuming that Mahommes actually ends up being a good NFL quarterback.....which he did not show last year....people can say he sat behind Smith for the year but the fact is if he was beating him out in camp and practice he would be playing. On the other hand.....they did get an immediate starter and one of the best rookie players out of the draft in Tre White. Even if he only ends up being a mid level starter.....it would still be a win. There is no guarantee ANY of these guys are gonna be top 5 guys Everyone knew coming out the draft that Mahomes needed work. The arm talent is there. Chances are hes gonna be a solid starter and maybe even a shade of Aaron Rodgers down the line. You cant even really make an opinion of him now other than he finally got that back leg to calm down and stop doing the skanky leg during plays lol. His teammates are high on him and Andy Reid who watches him in practice believes in him enough to trade Alex Smith. He was great in pre season and decent vs a vanilla denver defense. Kid is going to be good. The arrows pointing up.
1st&ten Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think it might take a year or two but I see Luke Falk being one of the top QB's from this draft. Don't mention him, we already know that NE will take him in the 3rd round. he'll sit for a year & half-----Brady gets injured & he becomes the next great QB. 1
BuffaloFan68 Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 I just want to throw out there that anyone that says Rudolph has a weak arm hasn't really watched him themselves. - Is it Mahomes strong, no - but he can make all the throws. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! 1
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 9 hours ago, BuffaloFan68 said: I just want to throw out there that anyone that says Rudolph has a weak arm hasn't really watched him themselves. - Is it Mahomes strong, no - but he can make all the throws. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! I've probably watched around 15 of Rudolph's games and think he has a weak arm. I mean, it isn't Kellen Moore level bad or anything, but it's similar to Peterman in terms of arm strength, which is to say, it'll almost definitely hurt his chances of succeeding in the NFL. He could theoretically become a good player in spite of that, but his arm strength will definitely limit the types of passes he can make. 1
racketmaster Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 I like trying to find comparisons with quarterbacks coming out of the draft. With Rudolph, the one quarterback I keep coming back to that he seems similar to is Philip Rivers. They have very similar size and movement skills. Also, very similar college careers in the amount of games, production and how old they were coming into the draft. This is my high end comparison for Rudolph as I think Rivers had a little more zip on the ball coming out of college. However, with Rivers there were a bunch of questions about his delivery and his arm strength going into the draft. Arm strength is my biggest concern with Rudolph. If he can check that box off during the combine and pro day, I would be all in on drafting this kid. Like Rivers, Rudolph will not hurt you with his legs but they both move around well in the pocket.
BigBuff423 Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I've probably watched around 15 of Rudolph's games and think he has a weak arm. I mean, it isn't Kellen Moore level bad or anything, but it's similar to Peterman in terms of arm strength, which is to say, it'll almost definitely hurt his chances of succeeding in the NFL. He could theoretically become a good player in spite of that, but his arm strength will definitely limit the types of passes he can make. I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree. There are constant views / video of him making easy 50 yard throws...there aren't a many "tight window" throws, but they're there and the fewer amount of them is just based on the Offense he played in....but, to say he has a weak arm, is completely false IMHO. 1
racketmaster Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I've probably watched around 15 of Rudolph's games and think he has a weak arm. I mean, it isn't Kellen Moore level bad or anything, but it's similar to Peterman in terms of arm strength, which is to say, it'll almost definitely hurt his chances of succeeding in the NFL. He could theoretically become a good player in spite of that, but his arm strength will definitely limit the types of passes he can make. That really is the million dollar question with Rudolph. He checks pretty much every other box you are looking for in a quarterback. 8 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree. There are constant views / video of him making easy 50 yard throws...there aren't a many "tight window" throws, but they're there and the fewer amount of them is just based on the Offense he played in....but, to say he has a weak arm, is completely false IMHO. Compared to the other top quarterbacks, his ball velocity (especially on sideline throws) is clearly weaker than Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen. It is almost unfair when I watch an Allen game followed by a Rudolph game. The difference between the two is huge. That said, Rudolph has a ton of positive characteristics and he may be able to overcome not having the biggest arm. I remember Rivers telling a story about when he was going through the draft process. He was asked by the Packers how strong his arm was (there were some arm strength questions about him going into the draft) and his reply was "Strong Enough". That is the question with Rudolph is his arm "Strong Enough". Edited February 13, 2018 by racketmaster
BigBuff423 Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, racketmaster said: That really is the million dollar question with Rudolph. He checks pretty much every other box you are looking for in a quarterback. Compared to the other top quarterbacks, his ball velocity (especially on sideline throws) is clearly weaker than Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen. It is almost unfair when I watch an Allen game followed by a Rudolph game. The difference between the two is huge. That said, Rudolph has a ton of positive characteristics and he may be able to overcome not having the biggest arm. I remember Rivers telling a story about when he was going through the draft process. He was asked by the Packers how strong his arm was (there were some arm strength questions about him going into the draft) and his reply was "Strong Enough". That is the question with Rudolph is his arm "Strong Enough". All things considered, to me *this* is the exact type of thing the Combine is good for....when you see the video, you see a well-qualified NFL QB Rookie ready to take the next step...but, can his arm make it? I personally think he can, because plenty of good to great QBs didn't have "the arm" coming into the NFL but were good enough and eventually no one even thought about it once they started producing and winning. 1
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree. There are constant views / video of him making easy 50 yard throws...there aren't a many "tight window" throws, but they're there and the fewer amount of them is just based on the Offense he played in....but, to say he has a weak arm, is completely false IMHO. Throwing the ball far is only one part of arm strength. He's incapable of making deep throws on a rope; he can only make them putting a ton of air under it. He was a proficient deep ball thrower in college, but how much of this was having 2 or 3 WRs that are extremely talented at outjumping their man/the scheme allowing his WRs to slip in behind the defense? In the NFL, a lot of the deep balls he throws will give the safety enough time to come over and make a play on the ball. If you watch his throws to the sidelines, they hang in the air the same way Peterman's did this year in the NFL. It's going to be very difficult for him to throw a deep out in the NFL. If he succeeds, it'll likely be from attacking the middle of the field in the short-intermediate range IMO; I don't think the rest of his game will translate very well.
racketmaster Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Throwing the ball far is only one part of arm strength. He's incapable of making deep throws on a rope; he can only make them putting a ton of air under it. He was a proficient deep ball thrower in college, but how much of this was having 2 or 3 WRs that are extremely talented at outjumping their man/the scheme allowing his WRs to slip in behind the defense? In the NFL, a lot of the deep balls he throws will give the safety enough time to come over and make a play on the ball. If you watch his throws to the sidelines, they hang in the air the same way Peterman's did this year in the NFL. It's going to be very difficult for him to throw a deep out in the NFL. If he succeeds, it'll likely be from attacking the middle of the field in the short-intermediate range IMO; I don't think the rest of his game will translate very well. I agree with the air time on his deep ball. But that is another thing I believe Rudolph has in common with Rivers. I have always felt that Rivers has a lot of air time with his deep balls but they get to their intended target more often than not. But what needs to be considered is the cities they play for. Rivers has played in San Diego and now LA. Rudolph would be in Buffalo where the wind and cold will be a much bigger factor, especially late in the season. That extra air time could be a much bigger negative based on location of where they will play most of their games. 1
DCOrange Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, racketmaster said: I agree with the air time on his deep ball. But that is another thing I believe Rudolph has in common with Rivers. I have always felt that Rivers has a lot of air time with his deep balls but they get to their intended target more often than not. But what needs to be considered is the cities they play for. Rivers has played in San Diego and now LA. Rudolph would be in Buffalo where the wind and cold will be a much bigger factor, especially late in the season. That extra air time could be a much bigger negative based on location of where they will play most of their games. Yeah, I agree with that. Rivers is also a much more precise thrower than Rudolph is (not even a knock against Rudolph really...Prime Rivers was an incredible precision passer). If you can place the ball where you want to, you can survive with the extra air time. Rudolph isn't as inaccurate as Josh Allen for example, but he does leave a lot of his deep balls short and he doesn't seem to take the short passes seriously enough; watching his film, you'll see him not even try to get his feet set a lot on the shorter throws. I definitely think he has the potential to improve his accuracy in the NFL, but we'll see. I'm personally not comfortable taking a guy in the 1st round if he has, IMO, below average arm strength and average ball placement. If he slips to like the 3rd round, I'd be fine with it. 2nd is still a little high for my liking personally, but I'm lower on him than most.
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