Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 8:51 PM, Doc said: The problem with trading him before June 1st is they can't save money on the cap. And given that, his age, salary, and coming off injury, I'm not sure how high his trade value is anyway. Expand Cap hit for this year or multiple years?
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 8:54 PM, Mr. WEO said: Cap hit for this year or multiple years? Expand If they release him with a post-June 1st designation, they save $4.6M but have a $3.15M cap hit for next year. If they don't, they save just $1.4M but have no cap hit next year.
Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:01 PM, Doc said: If they release him with a post-June 1st designation, they save $4.6M but have a $3.15M cap hit for next year. If they don't, they save just $1.4M but have no cap hit next year. Expand That sucks for them.
ColoradoBills Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:01 PM, Doc said: If they release him with a post-June 1st designation, they save $4.6M but have a $3.15M cap hit for next year. If they don't, they save just $1.4M but have no cap hit next year. Expand The crazy thing about the Eagles is their 2019 Cap is very bad too. In 2019 they have 39 players under contract and are $9 million in the hole already! The next closest team is Jacksonville with 41 under contract and sit at PLUS $28 million. Philly definitely has a lot of cap work to do this year.
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:05 PM, ColoradoBills said: The crazy thing about the Eagles is their 2019 Cap is very bad too. In 2019 they have 39 players under contract and are $9 million in the hole already! The next closest team is Jacksonville with 41 under contract and sit at PLUS $28 million. Philly definitely has a lot of cap work to do this year. Expand That's why trading Foles sooner rather than later makes more sense. They'd save $4.6M by doing it before 3/18.
ColoradoBills Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:10 PM, Doc said: That's why trading Foles sooner rather than later makes more sense. They'd save $4.6M by doing it before 3/18. Expand I agree. I got to think the Eagles want to keep Foles but because of their unique cap issues they would be crazy not to listen to offers!
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:10 PM, Doc said: That's why trading Foles sooner rather than later makes more sense. They'd save $4.6M by doing it before 3/18. Expand On 2/11/2018 at 9:12 PM, ColoradoBills said: I agree. I got to think the Eagles want to keep Foles but because of their unique cap issues they would be crazy not to listen to offers! Expand It would be a straightforward decision were it not for the question of the readiness of Wentz for the 2018 season. It's not a simple matter of cap room.
greeneblitz Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 In his whole career, Foles has never had even close to his trade value right now, why the hell would we want to buy so high? In all likelihood, Nick Foles is a good backup, who played big in big games, much as Frank Reich was back in the day. We need a franchise QB, to get that you don't go get a castoff, you draft and develop one.
ColoradoBills Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:15 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: It would be a straightforward decision were it not for the question of the readiness of Wentz for the 2018 season. It's not a simple matter of cap room. Expand Like I said, I think they want to keep Foles very badly......................but then again, teams do stupid things to get a QB!
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:15 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: It would be a straightforward decision were it not for the question of the readiness of Wentz for the 2018 season. It's not a simple matter of cap room. Expand Obviously.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:30 PM, ColoradoBills said: Like I said, I think they want to keep Foles very badly......................but then again, teams do stupid things to get a QB! Expand It would be prudent to wait until the preseason to gauge the heatlh and readiness of Wentz before dealing Foles. They could still do well just as they did when dealing Bradford for a #1 pick to MIN.
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:20 PM, greeneblitz said: In his whole career, Foles has never had even close to his trade value right now, why the hell would we want to buy so high? In all likelihood, Nick Foles is a good backup, who played big in big games, much as Frank Reich was back in the day. We need a franchise QB, to get that you don't go get a castoff, you draft and develop one. Expand The Bills traded down last year just for a chance to do something like this. And as I said before, at 21 or 22, you're taking a chance on a lower-rated rookie QB versus a guy who won a SB thanks largely based on his play.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:31 PM, Doc said: Obviously. Expand Must not be so obvious with your post stating they should move him sooner rather than later.
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:33 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Must not be so obvious with your post stating they should move him sooner rather than later. Expand No, what's obvious is that Wentz' injury timetable complicates the issue.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) On 2/11/2018 at 9:37 PM, Doc said: No, what's obvious is that Wentz' injury timetable complicates the issue. Expand Which means they should wait to assess the situation with him rather than moving Foles sooner. Edited February 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
Doc Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:38 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Which means they should wait to assess the situation with him rather than moving Foles sooner. Expand They otherwise would, if it weren't for their cap issues.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 I don't think we have the WR's or the pass pro to allow Foles to put up big numbers. If im the Eagles I take my chances with Wentz and get the 2nd rd pick for Foles. Their are some solid late rd QB's in this draft that would save them a lot of cap space.
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 12, 2018 Author Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 9:20 PM, greeneblitz said: In his whole career, Foles has never had even close to his trade value right now, why the hell would we want to buy so high? In all likelihood, Nick Foles is a good backup, who played big in big games, much as Frank Reich was back in the day. We need a franchise QB, to get that you don't go get a castoff, you draft and develop one. Expand The guy won owned this year's playoffs (including a superbowl) with his arm, smarts and poise. I agree the two bad seasons after his breakout year are cause for concern - but it is probable the guy has actually turned a corner in ability and confidence. And at 5.5 mill a year you cant go wrong given our QB needs. Even if we draft a QB and Foles is keeping the seat warm, he will be a decent transition QB. At this stage, I dont think he is any worse than Flacco post-SB win and he is available at a fraction of Flacco's cost. Oh and if y'all want another reason to pursue Foles: http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/31086/best-bet-remains-for-bills-to-draft-quarterback-not-pursue-nick-foles MIke Rodent says "Dont"
Doc Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/12/2018 at 1:06 PM, IgotBILLStopay said: The guy won owned this year's playoffs (including a superbowl) with his arm, smarts and poise. I agree the two bad seasons after his breakout year are cause for concern - but it is probable the guy has actually turned a corner in ability and confidence. And at 5.5 mill a year you cant go wrong given our QB needs. Even if we draft a QB and Foles is keeping the seat warm, he will be a decent transition QB. At this stage, I dont think he is any worse than Flacco post-SB win and he is available at a fraction of Flacco's cost. Oh and if y'all want another reason to pursue Foles: http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/31086/best-bet-remains-for-bills-to-draft-quarterback-not-pursue-nick-foles MIke Rodent says "Dont" Expand Rodent’s a moron. And if the Bills, or any team for that matter, trades for Foles, he won’t be making just $5.5 million a year anymore.
dave mcbride Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 6:18 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: The report is he tore both an ACL and an LCL and is taking longer to heal because of that. Bradford serves as "Exhibit A" of what happens when a guy with an ACL tries to come back too soon: more haste, less speed. I think you want to flip it about. Alex Smith set the price for an old guy (33) coming off a career season who has not been able to take his team past the Div round in 4 tries. Nick Foles is gonna set the price for a 5 year younger guy with a great year as starter in his past, who just ripped off two fantastic games to take his team to the World Championship. I don't think that latter gets you a discount. Expand LCLs aren't a big deal. They usually don't even require surgery if torn ontheir own. I feel confident that Wentz will be playing in game one.
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