transplantbillsfan Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Oh boy, I bet this thread is going well
Pbomb Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Is there an article about how tyrod plays against playoff teams? 2 offensive tds in 7 games this year. He really comes up big in those important games. This is the most important stat to me
RobH063 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 17 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Benched by his own team amid a playoff run and constantly heckled by a vocal group of fans on the interwebs, Taylor may well be the most underappreciated player in the league. The Bills receivers do Taylor no favors, averaging fewer yards of separation on their routes than any group in the league. "interwebs" Really? We're expected to take anything this Matt Harmon guy says seriously when he uses the word "interwebs". A made up word by some 14 year old? Taylor is a frickin train wreck! Bills fans are so used to having 2nd string QB's as starters for the past 20 years that they gobble up any garbage someone says about a Bills QB that isn't a slam on him. Then those fans think the Bills have the answer at QB. "Tyrod Taylor isn't a bad QB, see? Matt Harmon says so!" Bills fans are so desperate to not have all of America crap on their team that they'll buy anything someone says that's positive about a player and then think the Bills can win a championship with what they already have. Bills fans shouldn't justify mediocrity unless you honestly think making the playoff's with a 9-7 record that required help from another team making a play on the very last play of the game, means the Bills had a good year. I got news for you. The Bills didn't have a good year. They had a lucky year and backed into the playoff's. Am I happy the drought is over? Sure I am but lets not think it was anything to write home about. The Bills are building a team. They aren't good yet. There's lots of improvement to be made. The QB is one of those improvements that needs to be made. Same thing is true of the Bills in general. Fans scour the Internet looking for any positive article to counter all the bad press the Bills get. You will never see many positive reports about the Bills until they put a good winning team on the field on a consistent basis.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, RobH063 said: "interwebs" Really? We're expected to take anything this Matt Harmon guy says seriously when he uses the word "interwebs". A made up word by some 14 year old? Taylor is a frickin train wreck! Bills fans are so used to having 2nd string QB's as starters for the past 20 years that they gobble up any garbage someone says about a Bills QB that isn't a slam on him. Then those fans think the Bills have the answer at QB. "Tyrod Taylor isn't a bad QB, see? Matt Harmon says so!" Bills fans are so desperate to not have all of America crap on their team that they'll buy anything someone says that's positive about a player and then think the Bills can win a championship with what they already have. Bills fans shouldn't justify mediocrity unless you honestly think making the playoff's with a 9-7 record that required help from another team making a play on the very last play of the game, means the Bills had a good year. I got news for you. The Bills didn't have a good year. They had a lucky year and backed into the playoff's. Am I happy the drought is over? Sure I am but lets not think it was anything to write home about. The Bills are building a team. They aren't good yet. There's lots of improvement to be made. The QB is one of those improvements that needs to be made. Same thing is true of the Bills in general. Fans scour the Internet looking for any positive article to counter all the bad press the Bills get. You will never see many positive reports about the Bills until they put a good winning team on the field on a consistent basis. Whoosh! The humor is lost on you and your view is extreme.
Teddy KGB Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The point is that there was no demand for him in a league where teams are carrying 6 receivers and using them. He's a taint. He's a "big slot".......which most teams have no use for those.......they want quick and fast slot receivers......OR they want to put a TE in the slot who they can move inside to help in the run game. And Matthews is simply not quick or fast enough.....or a size/contested catch guy like Benjamin........ to play the x of z effectively. So you weren’t one of the many who said that Matthews was better than Sammy ? Guy averaged 75 catches and 891 yards per season when he played with QBs not named Tyrod. Seems like you’re reaching to paint a picture again.
RobH063 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Whoosh! The humor is lost on you and your view is extreme. Are you saying I'm not allowed to have a view of my own and can only nod my head and agree to what you say on here?
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, RobH063 said: Are you saying I'm not allowed to have a view of my own and can only nod my head and agree to what you say on here? Your interpretive skills are lacking as well. Express whatever opinion you like.
RobH063 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Your interpretive skills are lacking as well. Express whatever opinion you like. My interpretive skills are just fine. For instance, I can interpret perfectly why so many on here have issue with you 2
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, RobH063 said: My interpretive skills are just fine. For instance, I can interpret perfectly why so many on here have issue with you Sure they are.
DCOrange Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Augie said: Are the stats for all receivers, or just the ones he decides to throw to??? It's for all WRs at the time of release, which makes it kinda tough to really put much stock in it IMO, and I'm higher on Tyrod than most. Having said that, NFL's Next Gen Stats also track separation on an individual WR basis to show how much separation that WR has when the ball gets to them and the Bills WRs don't look good based on that metric either. Out of the 124 that qualified (requires 43 targets for Next Gen to track them): Charles Clay: 23rd Zay Jones: 66th Deonte Thompson: 87th Kelvin Benjamin: 123rd If you break it down by separation specifically for the targeted player and weight it by the number of targets, Buffalo ranks 24th out of 32. 1 KC 2 NYJ 3 LAC 4 GB 5 WAS 6 MIA 7 LAR 8 MIN 9 PIT 10 NO 11 CAR 12 CHI 13 ATL 14 JAX 15 BAL 16 DET 17 IND 18 SEA 19 SF 20 NE 21 CLE 22 PHI 23 CIN 24 BUF 25 TB 26 TEN 27 DAL 28 OAK 29 ARI 30 NYG 31 HOU 32 DEN Edited February 10, 2018 by DCOrange 1
H2o Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) I feel like this is deja vu, like we have had this discussion before. About the WR separation and all that. Tyrod's flaws in year one as our starter are still Tyrod's flaws in year three. He is gun shy due to a lack of confidence in either his read or himself. He doesn't often throw his WR's open, but rather waiting until they are open to throw the ball. On many occasions he will get rattled and run instead of make the throw to the open man. Whether he actually sees the open man or not is something I can't say definitively. His ball placement on throws on many occasions prevent WR's from getting the all important YAC. You will see guys have to slow down, reach across their body, fall to the ground, or he just flat out misses his man because he puts the ball somewhere he should not, all preventing the opportunity for a bigger play and in some instances costing us games. All of these things are on Tyrod. They are the same things he has done every year. Can we do worse than Tyrod? Abso-****ing-lutely!!! We saw that against the Chargers. If this is the style we are gonna play, a lot of RPO with Daboll calling the shots, I would much rather have Lamar Jackson who is a far superior athlete. I don't like Jackson as a QB, but if we are gonna run a college style offense then he is the guy to run it. A team having to gameplan for Jackson and Shady would create nightmares for opposing defenses. I don't really trust him as a passer, but if the RPO is working then it should create the opportunity for a lot of wide open throws. It all depends on what offense we are going to run. Edited February 10, 2018 by H2o
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Author Posted February 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, H2o said: I feel like this is deja vu, like we have had this discussion before. About the WR separation and all that. Tyrod's flaws in year one as our starter are still Tyrod's flaws in year three. He is gun shy due to a lack of confidence in either his read or himself. He doesn't often throw his WR's open, but rather waiting until they are open to throw the ball. On many occasions he will get rattled and run instead of make the throw to the open man. Whether he actually sees the open man or not is something I can't say definitively. His ball placement on throws on many occasions prevent WR's from getting the all important YAC. You will see guys have to slow down, reach across their body, fall to the ground, or he just flat out misses his man because he puts the ball somewhere he should not, all preventing the opportunity for a bigger play and in some instances costing us games. All of these things are on Tyrod. They are the same things he has done every year. Can we do worse than Tyrod? Abso-****ing-lutely!!! We saw that against the Chargers. If this is the style we are gonna play, a lot of RPO with Daboll calling the shots, I would much rather have Lamar Marshall who is a far superior athlete. I don't like Marshall as a QB, but if we are gonna run a college style offense then he is the guy to run it. A team having to gameplan for Marshall and Shady would create nightmares for opposing defenses. I don't really trust him as a passer, but if the RPO is working then it should create the opportunity for a lot of wide open throws. It all depends on what offense we are going to run. Who the heck is Lamar Marshall?
Jay_Fixit Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, H2o said: I feel like this is deja vu, like we have had this discussion before. About the WR separation and all that. Tyrod's flaws in year one as our starter are still Tyrod's flaws in year three. He is gun shy due to a lack of confidence in either his read or himself. He doesn't often throw his WR's open, but rather waiting until they are open to throw the ball. On many occasions he will get rattled and run instead of make the throw to the open man. Whether he actually sees the open man or not is something I can't say definitively. His ball placement on throws on many occasions prevent WR's from getting the all important YAC. You will see guys have to slow down, reach across their body, fall to the ground, or he just flat out misses his man because he puts the ball somewhere he should not, all preventing the opportunity for a bigger play and in some instances costing us games. All of these things are on Tyrod. They are the same things he has done every year. Can we do worse than Tyrod? Abso-****ing-lutely!!! We saw that against the Chargers. If this is the style we are gonna play, a lot of RPO with Daboll calling the shots, I would much rather have Lamar Marshall who is a far superior athlete. I don't like Marshall as a QB, but if we are gonna run a college style offense then he is the guy to run it. A team having to gameplan for Marshall and Shady would create nightmares for opposing defenses. I don't really trust him as a passer, but if the RPO is working then it should create the opportunity for a lot of wide open throws. It all depends on what offense we are going to run. Ah yes, Lamar Marshall. I much prefer Sam Thompson, Josh Lieberman or even Baker Highland, but Lamar Marshall would be an interesting choice later on. 2
H2o Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Who the heck is Lamar Marshall? Jackson. Idkhtf that happened 1
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 It is the throws he doesn't attempt , by either by too cautious or simply taking to much time to pull the trigger.
RobH063 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 The guy lined up behind the guard ready to take the snap! THE GUARD!!!! He didn't even know where he was on the field. How is he supposed to know where to throw the ball or when to throw the ball or IF he should throw the ball if he has no clue where he's supposed to be.
MJS Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 He's in the NFL for a reason. He can make some plays. But the two most basic stats are yards and TD's. He's at the bottom of the league in those. It doesn't matter what other stats you bring in when those two numbers are so incredibly low.
Mr. WEO Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Wasn't Corey McIntyre known as a quite the window passer? 1
The_Dude Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 23 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: ANALYSIS Best Tight-Window Passers of 2017 Matt Harmon continues his countdowns of the best players of 2017, according to Next Gen Stats' data. See the ranking of the top 10 tight-window quarterbacks of the season. For years, we've heard scouting terms tossed around when discussing the worth of NFL signal-callers, but new advanced analytics are now able to quantify the concepts that have just been anecdotally assessed in the past. With the help of Next Gen Stats data brought to us by chips in every player's shoulder pads, we can now measure the best tight-window passers in the NFL. Using a composite score of several tight-window passing stats, we'll examine the top 10 players at the position when making such throws. Here are the qualifiers for the rankings: » Next Gen Stats defines a "tight-window throw" as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of separation from the defender. » The average quarterback threw 18.6 percent of his passes into a tight window over the last two seasons. » Only quarterbacks with over 200 pass attempts and seven-plus games played in 2017 qualified for the list (35 total players). » The ranking was established by the quarterbacks among the 35 qualifiers who had the best rankings in the following three categories: -- Completion rate on tight-window throws. -- Passer rating on tight-window throws. -- Adjusted yards per attempt on tight-window throws. Benched by his own team amid a playoff run and constantly heckled by a vocal group of fans on the interwebs, Taylor may well be the most underappreciated player in the league. The Bills receivers do Taylor no favors, averaging fewer yards of separation on their routes than any group in the league. While he's a flawed player in some respects and doesn't fit the cookie-cutter mold most conservative coaches desire from their signal-callers, there's no denying Taylor is capable of making difficult throws. His 5.7 adjusted yards per attempt on tight-window passes ranked sixth among qualifying quarterbacks and showed how efficient he can be when fitting the ball in to well-covered receivers. If Taylor deserves any criticism, it's that he should take more chances. He threw just 15 percent of his passes into tight windows this past season and 14.1 percent back in 2016, ranking him among the most cautious quarterbacks in both years. I don’t even.... Tyrod throws his guys covered. That’s why. My god.. “Next gen stats.”
simool Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Yet another pebble on the pile. I really think they are keeping Taylor, and I expect them to draft Jackson.
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