Wagon Circler Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: The defense did most of the work. This guy actually bails out of throws and sails them blindly into the air. This guy had a terrific season and would be a significant upgrade on Tyrod. I'm not saying break the bank, but he is the type of veteran we should be looking for.
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, BuffaloDave55 said: I agree. Keenum is a major upgrade in passing. Draft White in the 3rd. Fill our other holes. Also, agree with other post Darnold is a turn over machine and Jackson is Tyrod 2.0 + more turnovers! Foles is staying with Philadelphia. Why would they trade him? He will probably start the first 4 to 6 games. ACLs are 8 month injuries now. I fully expect Wentz to be ready by game 1.
Stank_Nasty Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: ACLs are 8 month injuries now. I fully expect Wentz to be ready by game 1. from what ive gleaned he should be a go for week 1 but I heard that they shouldn't expect him to be 100%.... I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to see foles for 2 or 3 weeks to give him another month. if ya have that luxury what not use it? Edited February 9, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: from what ive gleaned he should be a go for week 1 but I heard that they shouldn't expect him to be 100%.... I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to see foles for 2 or 3 weeks to give him another month. if ya have that luxury what not use it? I don't think they should trade him either, but they are pretty lacking in draft picks ...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, PIZ said: I disagree. Not exactly who I want, but he is an upgrade over Tyrod. He at least scans the field and throws an accurate ball. Actually throws to receivers instead of dump offs or throwing over their heads. I think they would still draft a QB like White or Rudolph in this scenario. Plus one.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't think they should trade him either, but they are pretty lacking in draft picks ... I agree it's doubtful he's traded but Chase Daniel is a good backup QB.......they could do worse for a few weeks if Wentz has a setback............and they are bereft of draft picks as you said and are up against the cap too so I am sure they'd like a personnel chip or two to work with. Another big lesson from the Eagles is that it doesn't have to take long to turn a team around. Chip Kelly was accused of leaving the cupboard bare with his McD-esque evacuation of talent......and two years later they were about as talented and deep as any team in the league. Roseman was aggressive to say the least.
billsredneck1 Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't think they should trade him either, but they are pretty lacking in draft picks ... they traded bradford at a questionable time...i think they would now if the price was right.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Foles will stay in Philly, Wentz may not start and Foles is under contract for another year Philly could trade foles for picks (as of now they only have 1 pick in the first 100), and then sign someone else. As nice as it is to have a solid backup, he's not the QB of the future, and you may as well get something back for a guy who they will lose in free agency next season. They're right up at the cap so they'll have to cut some people, but getting a Glennon or Mccown could be good to bridge until Wentz returns.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: with his McD-esque evacuation of talent...... You're an unmitigated moron. Not even debatable at this point. 1
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: Philly could trade foles for picks (as of now they only have 1 pick in the first 100), and then sign someone else. As nice as it is to have a solid backup, he's not the QB of the future, and you may as well get something back for a guy who they will lose in free agency next season. They're right up at the cap so they'll have to cut some people, but getting a Glennon or Mccown could be good to bridge until Wentz returns. Why overpay for a vet backup (consider the QB market right now) when you already have a dynamite, proven QB already on the roster that already knows the offense, that just won you a super bowl on the cheap? Philly fans would burn the city to the ground if that happened, IMHO
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I agree it's doubtful he's traded but Chase Daniel is a good backup QB.......they could do worse for a few weeks if Wentz has a setback............and they are bereft of draft picks as you said and are up against the cap too so I am sure they'd like a personnel chip or two to work with. Another big lesson from the Eagles is that it doesn't have to take long to turn a team around. Chip Kelly was accused of leaving the cupboard bare with his McD-esque evacuation of talent......and two years later they were about as talented and deep as any team in the league. Roseman was aggressive to say the least. Well they added bradford, then drafted wentz, and then moved bradford and got back a lot of what they traded to get to Wentz. They also purged like all their bad contracts in 2016, so they were able to extend and sign players in 2017.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Well they added bradford, then drafted wentz, and then moved bradford and got back a lot of what they traded to get to Wentz. They also purged like all their bad contracts in 2016, so they were able to extend and sign players in 2017. They also raided the Bills for talent devalued by Rex to fill out their back 7. Bargains.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Why overpay for a vet backup (consider the QB market right now) when you already have a dynamite, proven QB already on the roster that already knows the offense, that just won you a super bowl on the cheap? Philly fans would burn the city to the ground if that happened, IMHO If you can get a return, cap relief and a mid pick, or a higher pick... for a backup qb who you won't re-sign in 2019... why wouldn't they consider it? Just now, BADOLBILZ said: They also raided the Bills for talent devalued by Rex to fill out their back 7. Bargains. Yeah, they ended up with Bradham, Graham, and Darby. Bradham is a UFA, Graham will be cut, and Darby's in year 4, and will demand gilmore money in 2019. Mills will also probably want a pretty hefty raise in 2019. But they also drafted that kid Sidney Jones who barely played, who they're hoping will fit right in. Trading foles will help them restock the cupboard and prepare for their top 2 CB's departures.
SoTier Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Especially since he might cost up to 20mil per season. But then again Mcd got Mcholes to fill on his Defense and that's more important than getting a franchise QB. What if there's no franchise QB to be had???? You, like so many stubbornly delusional Bills fans, apparently assume that all the Bills have to do is draft a first round QB and voila!, he'll turn into a franchise QB. Don't bother to deny that that's your assumption, either, because your own words betray your feelings on the subject. The Bills tried twice before, in 2004 and again in 2013, to take a first round QB just to take a first round QB and suffered disastrous consequences. Face reality: if the Bills draft a QB in the first round in 2018, they won't be drafting another first round QB for at least four or five years unless said QB is a bust, so they better make their QB pick a good one or draft somebody else. Drafting the wrong QB is worse than not drafting any QB. FYI -- Among the FA QBs, probably the only significant upgrade to Taylor is Cousins. As a FA, he picks where he'll sign, which is very unlikely to be the Bills. Franchise QBs are rarely to be found in FA. Among the QBs in the draft, it's entirely possible that even if they want to trade up, the Bills may not be able to find a dance partner. In both 2011 and 2012, there was no way Carolina or Indy were ever going to trade out of the #1 pick. No QB in the draft comes with a guarantee ... and outside of the #1 pick, it gets dicey even for first round picks. Of 27 first round QBs taken since 2000 outside of the #1 pick, only 10 have been long-term starters on at least a level of Jay Cutler, Sam Bradford or Ryan Tannehill. That's still only about 1 out of 3. Pretty shabby odds. Edited February 9, 2018 by SoTier 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, dneveu said: If you can get a return, cap relief and a mid pick, or a higher pick... for a backup qb who you won't re-sign in 2019... why wouldn't they consider it? Yeah, they ended up with Bradham, Graham, and Darby. Bradham is a UFA, Graham will be cut, and Darby's in year 4, and will demand gilmore money in 2019. Mills will also probably want a pretty hefty raise in 2019. But they also drafted that kid Sidney Jones who barely played, who they're hoping will fit right in. Trading foles will help them restock the cupboard and prepare for their top 2 CB's departures. They also got a year out of Leodis and scooped Sammy Watkin's bro Jaylen off the Bills too.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: They also got a year out of Leodis and scooped Sammy Watkin's bro Jaylen off the Bills too. True - but they seem to be a team who values looking to the future. Signing Long, and drafting Barnett with the expectation of losing Graham or Curry.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: True - but they seem to be a team who values looking to the future. Signing Long, and drafting Barnett with the expectation of losing Graham or Curry. I see it more like they focus heavy on DL and want as little drop-off as possible in their rotation.......... and the back 7 they are willing to just fill in. They were willing to give up some modest future chips to fill in holes right away.....like with Darby.......but don't really value balance across the D.......they'd be fine having their best 8 defenders being DL. Because Schwartz D is all about pass rush pressure and penetration. His track record without a great front is poor. When they couldn't get home in the SB the Pats just torched them. Good at what he does but not adaptive.
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, dneveu said: True - but they seem to be a team who values looking to the future. Signing Long, and drafting Barnett with the expectation of losing Graham or Curry. They're a team that values the present highly as well. And they're built for now. (They're also built for the future by default--a la Pittsburgh, GB, and NO--simply because of the QB.)
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They're a team that values the present highly as well. And they're built for now. (They're also built for the future by default--a la Pittsburgh, GB, and NO--simply because of the QB.) At the same time... they're over the cap, and could use a Foles trade to add a player, as well as some cap relief.
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