RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Honestly id go full ditka and trade the farm for #1 Not enough there IMO for the Browns to bite on that. Then there is the issue of Barkley and his being a guy that comes along only once in ten or fifteen years. If you are going up to one then you take the closer to the sure thing especially when Shady's odometer is closing in on 200,000 miles so to speak.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, Kwai San said: Step. Away. From. The. Pipe. What's your plan, guy?
Happy Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Honestly id go full ditka and trade the farm for #1 And how did that end up for him? 1
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 How many times are we going to go over this! NO, you cannot get a 'top' prospect at 21 or 22. By definition, if they're a top prospect what are they still doing in the green room at 21? 1
Kwai San Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: What's your plan, guy? I'd rather watch something rather than nothing.......besides no way they would do that and you know it.
Mr. WEO Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Honestly id go full ditka and trade the farm for #1 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: And how did that end up for him? 2
Nineforty Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 My friend keeps talking about getting a QB at #21. I'd hope whichever QB we take (if we do) that we believe they belong at the top of the 1st round. Would we have the necessary intel on all the other teams to sit pat and draft at 21 if you're convinced on someone? I want them to be convinced of whoever they take and that means in a weird way that I hope they trade up. Or trade back on one of the picks, acquire more ammunition and make the 2019 draft your QB draft. I'm really okay with any route they choose here which is funny because they are very different options.
simpleman Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: Who wants the 4th or 5th best lol. There is a big difference between the 4th or 5th prospect and the 4th or 5th best NFL QB that comes out of the draft. A prospect is just potential. The 4th or 5th QB drafted may also end up being the best NFL QB of the draft. The draft is a gamble, period! Edited February 8, 2018 by simpleman
Sweats Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Whaley thought he picked gold when he got EJ. Gold, I tell ya.
purple haze Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 55 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How many times are we going to go over this! NO, you cannot get a 'top' prospect at 21 or 22. By definition, if they're a top prospect what are they still doing in the green room at 21? "Top prospect" is a nebulous term. Perceived top prospects at all positions wash out yearly. Players who aren't become All-Pros and Hall of Famers. No one knows which players will be what. If a player is good enough to be drafted in the first round they are a top prospect. 1
JaCrispy Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: Eh. I've got a sinking feeling we're gonna end up with the 6-7th guy this year. No good. Another year of QB fail is too much to stomach. ...especially now that we have the ammo and there are some nice prospects at the top? Wasn’t that the point a gaining all this capital? Time to cash in baby!!!
ndirish1978 Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Love all the people saying yes. Yes, it's a possibility. A possibility the Bills have been banking on for 18 years and has not worked out for us once.
Dr. Who Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Might as well take Mike White later in the draft if your plan is Rudolph at 21. I hope we're more proactive, though none of this would be an issue if we had taken Watson or Mahomes last year. Tre White is a very nice player, but now we are looking to spend a boatload to get the franchise qb that was arguably sitting there right for us. (I seem to also recall a rumor that we could have traded ten to the Giants, but had a gentleman's agreement with the Chiefs, so maybe we could have had #2 right now.) 2
Luxy312 Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: I've seen a lot of mock drafts that have us getting the fourth best or fifth best QB in the draft by staying at #21. But that doesn't really seem realistic. Lets look at the teams ahead of us: 1. Browns - Definitely need a QB 2. Giants - Definitely need a QB 5. Broncos - Definitely need a QB 6. Jets - Definitely need a QB 11. Dolphins - I could see them taking a QB (Tannehill is Meh) 12. Bengals - I could see them taking a QB (Dalton is Meh) 15. Cardinals - Definitely need a QB 17. Chargers - I could see them taking a QB (Rivers is old) And lets not forget about the Saints and Steelers, who could trade up a few spots because Brees and Ben have what... 1-2 years left? So ... that's 8 teams in front of us and 2 behind that probably need QBs. Maybe Keenum / Cousins / Bridgewater fill two or three openings ... but ... That doesn't exactly leave us with a top choice. What do you guys think? Kirk Cousins will get paid to be the starter somewhere. Broncos or Cardinals is my guess as they can both win "now". 2 of Keenum/Bridgewater/Bradford will go somewhere. Bridgewater and Bradford both have stated that they believe they are starters. I doubt Nick Foles remains the backup to Wentz. He's going to get paid by someone, and I'm guessing is out of Philadelphia. The Giants don't "definitely" need a QB. If Eli believes he's going to play another 3-4 years, it is not an urgency for the Giants. Phillip Rivers is 36 and Tom Brady is 40. Tell me how hold he is again. See Eli Manning for reference. Ryan Tannehill is 29 and cap friendly. Serious doubt that the Dolphins waste first rounder on QB when they have so many other needs. Andy Dalton is 30. Same thing as the Dolphins. The only way a team like Pittsburgh or New Orleans trade up is if their guy says they're done or this is their last year. So the way I see it, there's 4 potential starters that are either free agents or will be moved. There's 5 teams that are a serious threat to pick a QB if they don't otherwise get one of these other 4 guys. Free agency and trades will play themselves out well before the draft, so we're going to know what's in play on draft day. The other factor to consider is that there is no clear cut #1 college QB in the draft this year. All of the 5-6 guys that have been part of the discussion as potential first round talent, have flaws. It really reminds me an awful lot of the 2006 draft. 5 guys taken in the first two rounds and the best of the lot was Jay Cutler picked at #11, selected after Vince Young and Matt Leinart.
RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Might as well take Mike White later in the draft if your plan is Rudolph at 21. I hope we're more proactive, though none of this would be an issue if we had taken Watson or Mahomes last year. Tre White is a very nice player, but now we are looking to spend a boatload to get the franchise qb that was arguably sitting there right for us. (I seem to also recall a rumor that we could have traded ten to the Giants, but had a gentleman's agreement with the Chiefs, so maybe we could have had #2 right now.) Watson is hind sight and Mahomes really has not had much of a chance to display what he can or can not do.
McBean Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Hand Captain Kirk a blank check and keep the picks. Simple.
RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Kirk Cousins will get paid to be the starter somewhere. Broncos or Cardinals is my guess as they can both win "now". 2 of Keenum/Bridgewater/Bradford will go somewhere. Bridgewater and Bradford both have stated that they believe they are starters. I doubt Nick Foles remains the backup to Wentz. He's going to get paid by someone, and I'm guessing is out of Philadelphia. The Giants don't "definitely" need a QB. If Eli believes he's going to play another 3-4 years, it is not an urgency for the Giants. Phillip Rivers is 36 and Tom Brady is 40. Tell me how hold he is again. See Eli Manning for reference. Ryan Tannehill is 29 and cap friendly. Serious doubt that the Dolphins waste first rounder on QB when they have so many other needs. Andy Dalton is 30. Same thing as the Dolphins. The only way a team like Pittsburgh or New Orleans trade up is if their guy says they're done or this is their last year. So the way I see it, there's 4 potential starters that are either free agents or will be moved. There's 5 teams that are a serious threat to pick a QB if they don't otherwise get one of these other 4 guys. Free agency and trades will play themselves out well before the draft, so we're going to know what's in play on draft day. The other factor to consider is that there is no clear cut #1 college QB in the draft this year. All of the 5-6 guys that have been part of the discussion as potential first round talent, have flaws. It really reminds me an awful lot of the 2006 draft. 5 guys taken in the first two rounds and the best of the lot was Jay Cutler picked at #11, selected after Vince Young and Matt Leinart. I don't hate you for it but a lot of your reasoning is wishful thinking. Yes, not all of the 8 in the OP might choose a QB but the odds are far from zero that they do not. I don't think most teams go by a QB's feel but rather the age listed on the QB's W-2. Your last paragraph just shoots down the idea of a big trade up. Glad you brought it up though as a reason not to trade the cow for some magic beans. 6 minutes ago, McBean said: Hand Captain Kirk a blank check and keep the picks. Simple. For how many Quatloo's? Edited February 8, 2018 by RochesterRob
Luxy312 Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, McBean said: Hand Captain Kirk a blank check and keep the picks. Simple. That's a nice thought, but there's much speculation that the Redskins (despite having traded for and signed Alex Smith) will tag him, such that they maintain some trade value. I would be shocked if they just let him hit free agency.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I like Rudolph at 21 ....I think you are correct.....maybe I'm reading too much into it, but Beane personally scouted him twice, first at the WVU game and then at his bowl game......gut feel that this gang is conservative with draft capital and FA dollars......don't see multiple picks invested in one player to move up or major FA dollars (ie. Cousins) invested in one player....thus, maximization of both draft capital and FA dollars conservatively......Rudolph is probably their safe but perhaps unsexy pick at 21/22........just a guess..........
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