26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: As a elite level FA you typically get paid on a stong body of past work. Could you imagine a non-QB getting paid huge money in FA when they played a total of 7 games in their career over a 5 year period? Would NDamakong Suh have gotten his monster contract if he played 7 games randomly throughout his first 4 years in the NFL? Would Patrick Peterson have gotten his monster contract if he only played 7 games in the NFL? What about Laveon Bell? How is it cool for a QB that has shown "potential" to be paid as if he has already realized that potential when literally no other position in the NFL is treated like that? They get paid once they have realized that potential. It's a crazy double standard. Do you really not understand that the QB position at the NFL level is entirely different? It is especially the case with so few high level QBs available. When you have the chance to secure one for your team, don't mess around.
ColoradoBills Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I went through so this before People like to look at contracts in a vacuum The cap goes up every year, so his 27 mil won't be as much % of the cap. You also hit the nail on the head, regarding the other extensions incoming. 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do you really not understand that the QB position at the NFL level is entirely different? It is especially the case with so few high level QBs available. When you have the chance to secure one for your team, don't mess around. I'm putting together the info for a thread about QB pay adjusted for higher cap increases. Some people are going to be shocked how much changes for QB pay due to the cap increase. One interesting contract is Ryan Tannehill's. It was redone from time still left on his rookie contract in 2015. He signed for an average of 19.25 million. Factoring in ONLY the increase percentage of the cap increase that same contract is now worth 24 million per year! I'm doing this for all active veteran QBs. Spoiler Alert: Rodgers contract signed in 2013 is worth an amazing number today. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 What’s laughable is people thinking JG is has earned anything after 7 starts. Now he has to prove he deserves it. 2
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm putting together the info for a thread about QB pay adjusted for higher cap increases. Some people are going to be shocked how much changes for QB pay due to the cap increase. One interesting contract is Ryan Tannehill's. It was redone from time still left on his rookie contract in 2015. He signed for an average of 19.25 million. Factoring in ONLY the increase percentage of the cap increase that same contract is now worth 24 million per year! I'm doing this for all active veteran QBs. Spoiler Alert: Rodgers contract signed in 2013 is worth an amazing number today. Looking forward to seeing your findings. 1
Big Turk Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do you really not understand that the QB position at the NFL level is entirely different? It is especially the case with so few high level QBs available. When you have the chance to secure one for your team, don't mess around. How is this any different than what owners and the NFLPA decided they didn't want to have when signing first overall picks and other high draft picks to humongous contracts and instituted a rookie cap? Edited February 11, 2018 by matter2003
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: How is this any different than what owners and the NFLPA decided they didn't want to have when signing first overall picks and other high draft picks to humongous contracts and instituted a rookie cap? Because Garoppolo isn't a rookie.
Big Turk Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Because Garoppolo isn't a rookie. He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. Edited February 11, 2018 by matter2003
CommonCents Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. Hmmm I'd imagine the list of guys with a release as smooth and quick as Jimmy's is quite short. He is peanut butter jelly with the ball in his hand. Smoooooth. Just add milk.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. Name a QB who came in at that level to exhibit the physical and mental traits he's shown that every team is looking for who then went on to fail. Name the weaknesses or holes in his game that you expect DCs to exploit in order to limit his effectiveness. Edited February 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
SouthNYfan Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm putting together the info for a thread about QB pay adjusted for higher cap increases. Some people are going to be shocked how much changes for QB pay due to the cap increase. One interesting contract is Ryan Tannehill's. It was redone from time still left on his rookie contract in 2015. He signed for an average of 19.25 million. Factoring in ONLY the increase percentage of the cap increase that same contract is now worth 24 million per year! I'm doing this for all active veteran QBs. Spoiler Alert: Rodgers contract signed in 2013 is worth an amazing number today. Can't wait!
Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 13 hours ago, matter2003 said: He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. As many have already pointed out, every top rookie QB draft pick got, essentially, "that type of money" with ZERO body of work---and we all accepted it as no big deal. Now a guy with clear skills and a coaching staff that is more convinced than you are of his value is getting paid a lot of money now so they don't have to pay him even more money next year when his value would certainly go even higher. WHy is this so hard for fans to understand? And would the average fan (who is not a fan of SF) even care what they are paying this guy? Makes no sense.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 The asking price for any starting qb is high regardless. The question TBD is did they overpay like teams have for: Luck, Tannehill, Osweiller, Stafford 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 3:30 PM, NewEraBills said: Cousins and his agent will probably try to get a similar deal if not more. It's out of our price range. Looking more and more like Taylor is an option as the bridge QB after all.. Why? QB market, get what you pay for
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Cowherd....always the last one on the hype train. makes him come out with this kind of thing.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/129168/breaking-down-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-with-the-49ers Breaking down the contract As is always the case in these situations, though, the numbers aren't quite as overwhelming as they seem at first glance. Garoppolo's deal comes with $74.1 million in guarantees, including those for injury. But the true guarantee at signing came out to $48.7 million, which falls well below other true guarantees such as the one given to Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford. Most of that is paid out over the first couple of years, leaving the 49ers flexibility moving forward. Not that earth shattering. Smoke and mirrors. 1
GunnerBill Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/129168/breaking-down-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-with-the-49ers Breaking down the contract As is always the case in these situations, though, the numbers aren't quite as overwhelming as they seem at first glance. Garoppolo's deal comes with $74.1 million in guarantees, including those for injury. But the true guarantee at signing came out to $48.7 million, which falls well below other true guarantees such as the one given to Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford. Most of that is paid out over the first couple of years, leaving the 49ers flexibility moving forward. Not that earth shattering. Smoke and mirrors. It's an excellent contract. If he develops on what he has shown you have a potential top 5 or 6 QB tied up for the best years of his career. If he doesn't you can cut ties pretty easily after year 1 or 2. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It's an excellent contract. If he develops on what he has shown you have a potential top 5 or 6 QB tied up for the best years of his career. If he doesn't you can cut ties pretty easily after year 1 or 2. Broken down that way, yes. It is reasonable and not the risk the "injury" guarantee implies as a total guarantee. Also Broken down that way, it doesn't make a Cousins deal that crazy. 1
nucci Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/129168/breaking-down-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-with-the-49ers Breaking down the contract As is always the case in these situations, though, the numbers aren't quite as overwhelming as they seem at first glance. Garoppolo's deal comes with $74.1 million in guarantees, including those for injury. But the true guarantee at signing came out to $48.7 million, which falls well below other true guarantees such as the one given to Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford. Most of that is paid out over the first couple of years, leaving the 49ers flexibility moving forward. Not that earth shattering. Smoke and mirrors. as are most big contracts
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, nucci said: as are most big contracts Correct. It the way the story broke. GIGO Garbage In Garbage Out. BREAKING NEWS $74Mil Guaranteed!!! Truth $48.7 Mil Guaranteed
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