Thurman#1 Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 18 hours ago, grb said: This one never gets old : Taylor in 2015 & 2016 whenever he had Watkins and Woods to throw to : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs That's over two years and fifteen games total. Funny how "Captain Checkdown" disappeared whenever the Bills could field two NFL-grade receivers, huh? Also never gets old how most of those games were in his first year, 2015, when NFL teams hadn't figured out how to counter Tyrod yet. In 2016, Woods and Watkins played together in six games. Baltimore, Jets, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Miami and the Jets again. The last game against the Jets, Tyrod didn't play. So ten of those games fifteen games you're talking about were in 2015. Only five in 2016. And those five games in 2016 were against the 13th, 14th, 17th, 31st and 30th best pass defenses in terms of passer rating. That's not a difficult slate. Not great defenses overall. Tyrod was pretty good in those games. How many of those games did Woods go over 43 yards? Zero. His yards for those five games were 20, 10, 29, 5 and 43 and zero TDs. Sammy? 43, 20, 54,10 and 154 against Miami, again one of the worst pass Ds in the league that year. Total of two TDs. Tyrod wasn't ripping up those two WRs in those games. He played pretty well, but those WRs sure don't appear to have been the reason.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Also never gets old how most of those games were in his first year, 2015, when NFL teams hadn't figured out how to counter Tyrod yet. Facts the TT fans do not want to comprehend. Two (maybe three) times this season we heard opposing teams say the key to beat Buffalo is to make TT a QB. If that alone isn’t proof nothing will convince them. 1
John from Riverside Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Facts the TT fans do not want to comprehend. Two (maybe three) times this season we heard opposing teams say the key to beat Buffalo is to make TT a QB. If that alone isn’t proof nothing will convince them. It is what sealed TTs departure for me this year. I love a lot about TT's game.....but you gotta pull the trigger. 1
Gugny Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: It is what sealed TTs departure for me this year. I love a lot about TT's game.....but you gotta pull the trigger. Tyrod had the safety locked on.
TheFunPolice Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) The Bills went 9-7 and made the playoffs after 17 years without a passing offense. Their offense was basically run, don't turn it over, and punt the ball inside the 10. The problem is that if the team falls behind the game is over. Even if it's by 7. Unless the other team starts throwing picks or fumbling you might as well change the channel. Imagine if we had a top 10 passing offense to go with the solid overall effort. Edited February 9, 2018 by TheFunPolice 1
Teddy KGB Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: The Bills went 9-7 and made the playoffs after 17 years without a passing offense. Their offense was basically run, don't turn it over, and punt the ball inside the 10. The problem is that if the team falls behind the game is over. Even if it's by 7. Unless the other team starts throwing picks or fumbling you might as well change the channel. Imagine if we had a top 10 passing offense to go with the solid overall effort. This or you could hop on the jfh theory that passing yards are bad so we can cover up the terrible qb depth chart
Stank_Nasty Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: This or you could hop on the jfh theory that passing yards are bad so we can cover up the terrible qb depth chart accept john just stated he wants to move on from taylor.... you just lack the comprehension skills to understand you can go to bat for a guy when he's getting bagged on everyday but still wanna move on and upgrade from said player.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: The Bills went 9-7 and made the playoffs after 17 years without a passing offense. Their offense was basically run, don't turn it over, and punt the ball inside the 10. The problem is that if the team falls behind the game is over. Even if it's by 7. Unless the other team starts throwing picks or fumbling you might as well change the channel. Imagine if we had a top 10 passing offense to go with the solid overall effort. superbowl?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, PaulieYayo said: Mind blown by PFF IK, right? 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: There's nothing wrong with reduction to the absurd when the point you're attacking is itself absurd. There is, actually. It cuts off meaningful discussion and belittles the person you're allegedly trying to converse with. Stop it or I'm done here. Quote The reason reduction to the absurd works on phrases like "anyone but Tyrod" is because it's absurd ... on the face of it. They don't mean "anyone but Tyrod." It's shorthand and a lot smoother than, "Not Tyrod." That's what they meant. And for good reason. They don't mean anyone. Don't like Beyonce? Fine, they don't mean Taylor Swift. And they don't mean Manuel or Blaine Gabbert or Beatherd. The idea's ridiculous. But honestly, I would rather see Siemian than Tyrod. We can stop right there, too. If you'd rather see Siemian than Tyrod, I'm not too sure we have enough football common ground for discussion. No one who watches football should be trying to defend Siemian as "more functional from the pocket" than Taylor. I agree that the point I'm attacking, "Anyone but Taylor" is absurd. No Buffalo Bills Football Fan should really mean that! But it has been said, and when questioned and pressed, those who have said it insist that IS what they mean - Peterman, a rookie, some vet they dredge up, anyone. Hell, there's someone in this thread who made the statement he'd rather have JaMarcus Russell than Tyrod. The fact that you choose to interpret it more restrictively by excluding Gabbert, Beathard, and whoever else you put on a list of QB you don't fancy ahead of Taylor does not mean that the people saying it interpret it as you do. You let them speak for themselves, and you speak for yourselves. If they mean "Anyone Better" or "Anyone but Taylor except (list)" that's what they should say, and it doesn't take you "Jumping the Shark" to girl singers to go there. Edited February 9, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Tyrod had the safety locked on. An explanation I had not considered.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 21 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: The guy has won 2 games in his career without defensive help(TOs). Ill just leave that for you to think about. Jacksonville and Browns: 2016 I'm kind of not sure what point you're trying to make since in 2015 and 2016 TOs were one of the most reliable ways the Bills D got a stop. -some D stops matter less than others? -we would have won more games if we had a better D on the field? -turnover differential is one of the leading indicators in the league that's correlated to winning? I mean, I overall get that the purpose is to diss on Tyrod, but I'm just not sure where you're going with this stat.
CircleTheWagons99 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm kind of not sure what point you're trying to make since in 2015 and 2016 TOs were one of the most reliable ways the Bills D got a stop. -some D stops matter less than others? -we would have won more games if we had a better D on the field? -turnover differential is one of the leading indicators in the league that's correlated to winning? I mean, I overall get that the purpose is to diss on Tyrod, but I'm just not sure where you're going with this stat. you try and turn it around and blame the def, thats nice. TT is not going to win you games, you can chery pick every stat you want to try and make him look good but he cannot do it. Did you not watch the playoff game? Your going to tell me the def is the reason they lost? 10 points, thats what the def gave up. 3 points, thats all TT could get on the board, with wrs running WIDE open. Reply all you want, im done responing to people that keep defending TT. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: you try and turn it around and blame the def, thats nice. TT is not going to win you games, you can chery pick every stat you want to try and make him look good but he cannot do it. Did you not watch the playoff game? Your going to tell me the def is the reason they lost? 10 points, thats what the def gave up. 3 points, thats all TT could get on the board, with wrs running WIDE open. Reply all you want, im done responing to people that keep defending TT. Hello? Hello? Anybody home? All I said is I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with YOUR quoted stat that Tyrod has won 2 games where the defense didn't get a turnover. How about instead of putting words in my mouth, you try explaining it to me as I asked? I am cherry picking no stats for Tyrod nor anyone else, but actually, it kind of looks like perhaps you are. Since it's well known that turnover differential is an important factor to wins league wide, I would actually not be surprised to find it's fairly common for wins generally to correlate with defensive turnovers. Edit: OK, I picked a team - the LA Chargers! Do you know that in the last three years, Phillip Rivers hasn't won ONE SINGLE GAME where he didn't get defensive help (TURNOVERS!). WOW! THAT must prove RIVERS is REALLY BAD! I picked another team - the Flaming Thumbtacks! Do you know that in the last three years, Mariota has only won TWO GAMES where he didn't get defensive help (TURNOVERS!). WOW! THAT must prove MARIOTA is REALLY BAD! You seem a little "sensitive" on this point, but it's no worry to me if you reply or if you don't, so long as you don't respond with all this straw man boogaboo. The point is that making a deal out of whether a team wins without turnovers may not have much relevance to proving the QB is good or bad. Edited February 10, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1
Socal-805 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) Yes, his 45 % completion performance several weeks ago WAS noteworthy... Amazing and hilarious all at the same time. On 2/8/2018 at 5:23 AM, dave mcbride said: ... but not so easy ro have a high completion percentage when you have the worst receiving corps in the league by almost every measure, including ability to get separation. Dude. Give up... He sucks. Edited February 10, 2018 by Socal-805 1
TallskiWallski83 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 I am still not convinced any of our offensive coordinators have tapped into tyrod Taylor's full potential as a QB. I'm not talking about him making throws over the middle. I'm talking about a complete system that focuses on his speed, athleticism as a runner and his deep ball accuracy. I think a coach who could maximize his potential, paired with a defense much like what Jax has, has the potential to win a Superbowl
Socal-805 Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 9:43 AM, Teddy KGB said: I hope he comes to the new xfl team in your region Harvey from Hemet. LOL... + 1 There's PLENTY of parking in Hemet! 6 minutes ago, TallskiWallski83 said: I am still not convinced any of our offensive coordinators have tapped into tyrod Taylor's full potential as a QB. I'm not talking about him making throws over the middle. I'm talking about a complete system that focuses on his speed, athleticism as a runner and his deep ball accuracy. I think a coach who could maximize his potential, paired with a defense much like what Jax has, has the potential to win a Superbowl Like in COLLEGE!!!
Worstcaseontario Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 On 08/02/2018 at 9:51 AM, Limeaid said: No not honest at all; very slanted to try to support opinion. "Hyperboyle (or exaggeration) is a sign of someone unprepared for battle of wits" my debate teacher used to say., I think we would rather have JaMarcus Russell than you but neither point means much. Ditto
dave mcbride Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Socal-805 said: Yes, his 45 % completion performance several weeks ago WAS noteworthy... Amazing and hilarious all at the same time. Dude. Give up... He sucks. No, he doesn't. He's lower mid-tier, somewhere between 16 and 20 depending on what you value. For the record, I hate "he sucks/he's great" binaries. I don't expect him to be the Bills QB next year, and the team has to do better at the position. But saying simply that "he sucks" just drags down the level of debate and analysis in a thread like this, which is ostensibly about his accuracy or lack thereof. We have three years of good evidence saying that he's average in the accuracy department. Picking out one game and highlighting a 45 percent accurate rate -- against the NFL's #1 defense via DVOA on the road -- is the definition of cherry picking. Edited February 10, 2018 by dave mcbride
BringBackOrton Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: No, he doesn't. He's lower mid-tier, somewhere between 16 and 20 depending on what you value. For the record, I hate "he sucks/he's great" binaries. I don't expect him to be the Bills QB next year, and the team has to do better at the position. But saying simply that "he sucks" just drags down the level of debate and analysis in a thread like this, which is ostensibly about his accuracy or lack thereof. We have three years of good evidence saying that he's average in the accuracy department. Picking out one game and highlighting a 45 percent accurate rate -- against the NFL's #1 defense via DVOA on the road -- is the definition of cherry picking. 20-26
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