Mr. WEO Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, kdiggz said: what typically happens is the DC takes his assistants with him and our entire defensive coaching staff would be gutted and everyone given promotions in Indy. once again, another season with a new offensive and defensive coaching staff. super late in the process to need to be adding new coaches false. we have had success on offense and defense. we just haven't been able to put it all together when did this last happen to a coach/OC who wasn't fired? Who was plucked from the Bills staff and took everyone with him?
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, kdiggz said: what typically happens is the DC takes his assistants with him and our entire defensive coaching staff would be gutted and everyone given promotions in Indy. once again, another season with a new offensive and defensive coaching staff. super late in the process to need to be adding new coaches Nope. That can't happen. Anything lower than HC is an assistant coach job in the eyes of the league. The Bills would not be forced to let a single other member of their staff interview for anything in Indy, even if Frazier wanted to offer one of them the DC job. Just now, Mr. WEO said: when did this last happen to a coach/OC who wasn't fired? Who was plucked from the Bills staff and took everyone with him? The only person who left and took a couple of coaches was Pettine and they were very much "his" guys who Schwartz likely had no intention of keeping in any event.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: instability has plagued us throughout the drought. it's a big issue to lose your entire defensive coaching staff this late in the process I remember feeling this way when Pettine left for Cleveland..........it was like WTF we just made a titanic leap defensively now we gotta start over.........but Marrone shrewdly hired Schwartz and they took another step up. The Bills D improved this year but was still not great..........and defense is McD's specialty and he just hired a favorite of his who he may have wanted to be his DC over Frazier if given the choice last year. Let's not forget that Frazier's rep was pretty tarnished from his time in Tampa. I certainly wasn't excited about his hire. I don't want to see him go because I'd like the continuity but I think what we saw last year was more McD's defense than Frazier's. 2
thebandit27 Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I remember feeling this way when Pettine left for Cleveland..........it was like WTF we just made a titanic leap defensively now we gotta start over.........but Marrone shrewdly hired Schwartz and they took another step up. The Bills D improved this year but was still not great..........and defense is McD's specialty and he just hired a favorite of his who he may have wanted to be his DC over Frazier if given the choice last year. Let's not forget that Frazier's rep was pretty tarnished from his time in Tampa. I certainly wasn't excited about his hire. I don't want to see him go because I'd like the continuity but I think what we saw last year was more McD's defense than Frazier's. Without question that's true. And I think it follows logically that whoever the next DC would be would still be implementing and operating McDermott's scheme
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: Let's not forget that Frazier's rep was pretty tarnished from his time in Tampa. I certainly wasn't excited about his hire. I don't want to see him go because I'd like the continuity but I think what we saw last year was more McD's defense than Frazier's. I agree with this. It was definitely more McD's defense and I said that all offseason when people were on here bleating that Frazier was going to run the Dungy / Lovie / Frazier version of the Tampa 2. It was a McDermott cover 3 defense for the most part. Did they play some cover 2 looks? Sure they did, but that was a McDermott defensive scheme the Bills ran. I value the continuity too the other reason I don't want him to go is I value his character mesh with McDermott. He might not have been the greatest HC in the world himself Leslie Frazier, but he has been one before and McDermott trusts him and his personality and it would not surprise me if he had leant on him in handling certain situations during the year.
Ittakestime Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Even with the interview, I still think it is an incredible long shot. It would be so uninspiring for Colts fans.
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 On 2/6/2018 at 9:20 PM, Coach Tuesday said: Trade McDermott to the Colts for the #3 pick I am dead serious. Would only like this if this comes with their #3 pick AND Luck.
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2018 Author Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Without question that's true. And I think it follows logically that whoever the next DC would be would still be implementing and operating McDermott's scheme The problem is that Frazier was calling the plays. I think McD prefers to be HC only and not call plays (I ageee with that approach) so whoever replaces him will need to have that capability/experience. I could see them possibly looking at John Butler or Kris Richard, both of whom were considered last year. Pegulas interviewed Richard for HC, I believe. LB coach Bob Babich also has DC experience. Edited February 8, 2018 by YoloinOhio
thebandit27 Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: The problem is that Frazier was calling the plays. I think McD prefers to be HC only and not call plays (I ageee with that approach) so whoever replaces him will need to have that capability/experience. I could see them possibly looking at John Butler or Kris Richard, both of whom were considered last year. Pegulas interviewed Richard for HC, I believe. Indeed, which is why I immediately thought that Babich would be the guy. Richard would make a lot of sense too--forgot that Seattle let him go.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Indeed, which is why I immediately thought that Babich would be the guy. Richard would make a lot of sense too--forgot that Seattle let him go. Richard would be an inspiring hire on the surface.......he's coming off a down year but he has that glow of the Seahawks historically significant defense on him still IMO........but it's hard to imagine McD hiring his guy John Butler and then not letting him elevate to take over and call the plays.
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2018 Author Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) Imo Butler was hired to groom for DC if Frazier got a HC job next year. I don’t think McD anticipated this happening with the Colts job opening back up and Frazier getting a look now. I’m not sure he would see Butler as ready yet. but, he was interested in him last year reportedly so you never know. Edited February 8, 2018 by YoloinOhio
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 On 2/6/2018 at 8:03 PM, YoloinOhio said: Interesting. I thought it was Rapaport fluffing for his agent. 59 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Indeed, which is why I immediately thought that Babich would be the guy. Richard would make a lot of sense too--forgot that Seattle let him go. Not a fan of Kris Richard. 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: what typically happens is the DC takes his assistants with him and our entire defensive coaching staff would be gutted and everyone given promotions in Indy. once again, another season with a new offensive and defensive coaching staff. super late in the process to need to be adding new coaches false. we have had success on offense and defense. we just haven't been able to put it all together But the Indy situation is a bit different in that several offensive assistant positions have already been filled by McDaniels.
Steptide Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 I remember after we lost Mike pettine after 2013 fans were worried, but then we got shwartz and that defense was (Imo) the best defense we've had since the Super Bowl years. If we lose Frazier I'm not overly worried. I think their is alot of room for improvement
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2018 Author Posted February 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Interesting. I thought it was Rapaport fluffing for his agent. Not a fan of Kris Richard. But the Indy situation is a bit different in that several offensive assistant positions have already been filled by McDaniels. And the DC is in place as well
VaMilBill Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) One perspective to look at is from Fraziers. Hes obviously not the colts first choice. On top of that he probably isn't their second or third or fourth. If Frazier struggles at all (which he most likely will) I can see them firing him early in his second season. If he finishes 3-13 or below I could see them firing him after one season (kinda like the niners did to chip Kelly). Frazier is smart and probably realizes he won't get his first choices on staffing. He also has to change their defense over to a 4-3. He may not have Luck. That colts team also has hardly any talent. To me, I would refuse the job if I were him. Stay in a stable coaching position and wait for a better opportunity. But to to be honest, I'm surprised he's even taking the interview Edited February 8, 2018 by VaMilBill
Phils n Bills Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 4 hours ago, kdiggz said: instability has plagued us throughout the drought. it's a big issue to lose your entire defensive coaching staff this late in the process Never doubt the process. Trust the process. Process.
cba fan Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) On 2/7/2018 at 10:06 AM, YoloinOhio said: Interesting that Bob LaMonte represents Frazier and Reich as well as McDaniels and Ballard. McDaniel's agent just fired McDaniel's yesterday. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-mcdaniels-reportedly-gets-fired-by-his-agent-hours-after-spurning-colts/ https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mcdaniels-agent-reportedly-told-him-spurning-colts-was-the-biggest-mistake-of-his-career/ Edited February 8, 2018 by cba fan 1
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2018 Author Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, cba fan said: McDaniel's agent just fired McDaniel's yesterday. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-mcdaniels-reportedly-gets-fired-by-his-agent-hours-after-spurning-colts/ https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mcdaniels-agent-reportedly-told-him-spurning-colts-was-the-biggest-mistake-of-his-career/ Yep because even if McDaniels never has to work with the Colts, LaMonte does 1
cba fan Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, VaMilBill said: One perspective to look at is from Fraziers. Hes obviously not the colts first choice. On top of that he probably isn't their second or third or fourth. If Frazier struggles at all (which he most likely will) I can see them firing him early in his second season. If he finishes 3-13 or below I could see them firing him after one season (kinda like the niners did to chip Kelly). Frazier is smart and probably realizes he won't get his first choices on staffing. He also has to change their defense over to a 4-3. He may not have Luck. That colts team also has hardly any talent. To me, I would refuse the job if I were him. Stay in a stable coaching position and wait for a better opportunity. But to to be honest, I'm surprised he's even taking the interview 5+ million a year for 5 years guaranteed vs probably less than 1.5 working for Bills? Maybe less than 1 mill from Bills?? No brainer. You take the HC job if you have a brain larger than McDaniel's. This looks like a Rooney rule interview except I think Frazier has a real chance at this job. Personally Colts is a tough gig right now. QB ?? goofy owner. Lake of talent. Frazier can always do a DC job if Colts job does not last. Edited February 8, 2018 by cba fan
reddogblitz Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 On 2/6/2018 at 7:00 PM, theAteam said: I could see McDaniels screwing over both us and the Colts at the same time. I believe it was Kraft screwing over Indy. He's still mad about the deflated football bust. Had ZERO to do with heir appearancy I suspect.
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