K-9 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Butler publicly denounced any wrongdoing in his part. Unless there is is a video of him smoking then all of this is a rumor. Assuming everything Butler says is true and that he didn’t miss a team plane, wasn’t late for a team meeting, or miss curfew then it boils down to a simple coach’s decision. Sorry, but I can’t beleive that even Belichick is that intractable and insecure about his coaching decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: Assuming everything Butler says is true and that he didn’t miss a team plane, wasn’t late for a team meeting, or miss curfew then it boils down to a simple coach’s decision. Sorry, but I can’t beleive that even Belichick is that intractable and insecure about his coaching decisions. Beyond the flu and being a day late the missed curfew and dope smoking is in question. Q- Did he bring his dope with him on a commercial flight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, K-9 said: Assuming everything Butler says is true and that he didn’t miss a team plane, wasn’t late for a team meeting, or miss curfew then it boils down to a simple coach’s decision. Sorry, but I can’t beleive that even Belichick is that intractable and insecure about his coaching decisions. There was a Boston reporter, Jackie McMullen, on the sports show Around the Horn. She stated that there were extensive tardy issues with him and other issues. There may have been a curfew violation for this game (she wasn't clear on that issue but insinuated that there were issues going right up to the game. ) Belichick has high standards that apply to everyone. The player flaunted the rules and the coach acted. He is the most successful coach in the modern era of the NFL. In the operation that he runs he has instilled the ethos that the team is more important than the individual. I salute the coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: There was a Boston reporter, Jackie McMullen, on the sports show Around the Horn. She stated that there were extensive tardy issues with him and other issues. There may have been a curfew violation for this game (she wasn't clear on that issue but insinuated that there were issues going right up to the game. ) Belichick has high standards that apply to everyone. The player flaunted the rules and the coach acted. He is the most successful coach in the modern era of the NFL. In the operation that he runs he has instilled the ethos that the team is more important than the individual. I salute the coach. Now this makes sense. It is believable. Bravo Belicheat for screwing over your team by no playing a guy that had played 98% or snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Now this makes sense. It is believable. Bravo Belicheat for screwing over your team by no playing a guy that had played 98% or snaps. Butler is the one who screwed over his team. Unless, of course, you think he did nothing wrong at all and that benching him minutes before kickoff was a simple coach’s decision. That’s not impossible, but it’s hard for me to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: Butler is the one who screwed over his team. Unless, of course, you think he did nothing wrong at all and that benching him minutes before kickoff was a simple coach’s decision. That’s not impossible, but it’s hard for me to believe. You don't need an atomic bomb to kill an insect. Belichick could have used a greater sense of proportinailty to fit the crime if it was indeed a minor team violation. In any event, I'm glad he benched Butler because it hurt his team in the ultimate game to help deny them a chance to again hoist a Lombardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) ...I still say if Butler was such a douche and broke curfew blah blah blah, how come Mr. Tough Guy didn't deactivate him for the game? Edited February 6, 2018 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Butler is the one who screwed over his team. Unless, of course, you think he did nothing wrong at all and that benching him minutes before kickoff was a simple coach’s decision. That’s not impossible, but it’s hard for me to believe. Oh please. All I did was ask what the truth is. Nothing more. If you think I support anything Cheatriots you have not been playing close attention. 32 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: ...I still say if Butler was such a douche and broke curfew blah blah blah, how come Mr. Tough Guy didn't deactivate him for the game? Exactly. Why did he allow him to suit up? In the typical Belichickian way we will never know the “truth “. Edited February 6, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnC said: There was a Boston reporter, Jackie McMullen, on the sports show Around the Horn. She stated that there were extensive tardy issues with him and other issues. There may have been a curfew violation for this game (she wasn't clear on that issue but insinuated that there were issues going right up to the game. ) Belichick has high standards that apply to everyone. The player flaunted the rules and the coach acted. He is the most successful coach in the modern era of the NFL. In the operation that he runs he has instilled the ethos that the team is more important than the individual. I salute the coach. Butler had repeated issues throughout the season with being late and acting disinterested, yet he played almost 98 percent of the snaps. In the first two Patriots playoff games he played every single snap. Yes, that was the same angry Butler that couldn't wait to get out of NE. So why bench the guy in the SB for an ongoing issue? Obviously nothing nefarious enough happened to send him home happened. So it was the same disgruntled Butler that played all season and every playoff snap. It looks to me like BB thought he could embarrass Butler by taking away his opportunity. It was a miscalculation and he allowed his personal feelings towards Butler to cost the team. He did the same thing with Wes Welker who also turned down a low ball contract offer. Now you see the leaders on both sides of the ball throwing shade at their coach. His ego got the best of him and cost everyone else a championship. Seeing Hightowers actions now makes me better understand Landon Collins remarks about BB. They probably can't stand the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnC said: There was a Boston reporter, Jackie McMullen, on the sports show Around the Horn. She stated that there were extensive tardy issues with him and other issues. There may have been a curfew violation for this game (she wasn't clear on that issue but insinuated that there were issues going right up to the game. ) Belichick has high standards that apply to everyone. The player flaunted the rules and the coach acted. He is the most successful coach in the modern era of the NFL. In the operation that he runs he has instilled the ethos that the team is more important than the individual. I salute the coach. BS, he wouldn't have him dressed for the game. He would have used them roster spot for another player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Still sticking with the rejected lowball contract offer theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 who cares, we can all gloat how Belichick made the most moronic decision in the superbowl. I friggin love it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Green Lightning said: BS, he wouldn't have him dressed for the game. He would have used them roster spot for another player. I get it. You know more than the Boston reporter who has contacts within the organization. Evidently the issue regarding Butler's conduct was as much about a long standing conduct that included recent events. I'm not sure what you are suggesting? 2 hours ago, Commonsense said: Butler had repeated issues throughout the season with being late and acting disinterested, yet he played almost 98 percent of the snaps. In the first two Patriots playoff games he played every single snap. Yes, that was the same angry Butler that couldn't wait to get out of NE. So why bench the guy in the SB for an ongoing issue? Obviously nothing nefarious enough happened to send him home happened. So it was the same disgruntled Butler that played all season and every playoff snap. It looks to me like BB thought he could embarrass Butler by taking away his opportunity. It was a miscalculation and he allowed his personal feelings towards Butler to cost the team. He did the same thing with Wes Welker who also turned down a low ball contract offer. Now you see the leaders on both sides of the ball throwing shade at their coach. His ego got the best of him and cost everyone else a championship. Seeing Hightowers actions now makes me better understand Landon Collins remarks about BB. They probably can't stand the guy. Butler's extended bad behavior caught up with him. I have no problem with the coach sitting him down. It's not surprising that the coach is getting criticism because it was without a doubt a bold move. The players should not be complaining about the coach. They should be directing their complaints toward the player who repeatedly acted irresponsibly. I have no problems with the tough action that the HC made. In fact I salute him. Just maybe this unlikeable coach who has high standards and who is not afraid to enforce them is a factor as to why he is the most successful coach in the modern era of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 On 2/5/2018 at 1:10 PM, Mr. WEO said: They went to 6 AFCC and 4 SBs since they let Seymour go. The year he was traded, the defense went from 8th in points allowed to5th. They have been top 10 every year but 1 since (3 top 5's). Giving Jones away didn't stop them from going to back to back SBs or from having the best D in the NFL (in points allowed) as soon as he was out the door in 2016. Then they won the SB (so...it really didn't "cost them the championship"). Meanwhile, the Arizona D went from 7th in points allowed prior to Jones to 14th, then 19th with him. He's racking up stats as the anchor of that "break, don't bend" defense. Big deal. Last night's game featured little to no defense, even from Philly's vaunted D. The difference in the game was likely a dropped TD pass by Brady and missed Gotskowski FG. That and a single Philly big play on D. People questioning BB's intelligence over benching Butler are out of their minds. Say what you want, Chandler is a game changing all pro in his prime, and the Patriots have ZERO pass rush. Foles was barely touched all night, as Belichick pointed out in his post game. Just because Pats have won superbowls since he left is meaningless, were wrong to deal him. I watched every Zona game he dominated about half of them. He would have been a force against the backup tackle for philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 BB is beyond reproach, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t blow it once in awhile. It was the same when he sat Welker and they ended up losing to the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 On 2/5/2018 at 8:04 PM, Doc said: Yeah but without Brady, he'll go back to being a failure, right? lol I was saying the compensation be hire because of it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hubris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 BB has a long standing policy of not suffering fools, and it's a big part of why New England is New England. Sounds like this guy is a fool (Butler) and BB didn't want to compromise his standards to accommodate the fool. Good for BB. I hope the Bills are run in the same manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, JohnC said: I get it. You know more than the Boston reporter who has contacts within the organization. Evidently the issue regarding Butler's conduct was as much about a long standing conduct that included recent events. I'm not sure what you are suggesting? Butler's extended bad behavior caught up with him. I have no problem with the coach sitting him down. It's not surprising that the coach is getting criticism because it was without a doubt a bold move. The players should not be complaining about the coach. They should be directing their complaints toward the player who repeatedly acted irresponsibly. I have no problems with the tough action that the HC made. In fact I salute him. Just maybe this unlikeable coach who has high standards and who is not afraid to enforce them is a factor as to why he is the most successful coach in the modern era of the NFL. More BS. Bellicheat would sell out his mother to win. He didn't sit him because of his high standards he sat him because of his big ego. Edited February 7, 2018 by Green Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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