billsredneck1 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) eat ****!!!!! edit: 2/5 I apologize for starting this thread like this. I may have indulged during the game.....well maybe a little before too. But, since there is legit discussion on Foles, I won't try to delete it. Edited February 5, 2018 by billsredneck1 2 4
oldmanfan Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 He was a mediocre backup. But he's improved a lot. Had a great game tonight.
K D Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 We will ignore his entire career besides 2013 to help prove your point. He had a great playoff run though
BringBackOrton Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, kdiggz said: We will ignore his entire career besides 2013 to help prove your point. He had a great playoff run though Besides his rookie year and Rams year (the same year that Case Keenum also seemed to magically bounce back from), he's been pretty good. 1
Big Turk Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: eat ****!!!!! Looking like he is Flacco...mediocre inn the regular season and then turns into superman in the postseason. I'll sign up for that...just get us in. 1
Cripple Creek Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: eat ****!!!!! You liked Trubisky over Watson, WTF do you know? 1
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Not everyone said he was a mediocre backup. He didn't play that much other than in 2013. Being comfortable and getting into a rhythm helps.
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) I knew Nick Foles had this in him. I've always thought very highly of him. He's a great kid. So humble... Kid slung that pigskin over the mountains tonight, really earned that MVP with his TD catch. Made a lot of people eat $#@% tonight. That was the most beautiful play I've ever seen along with Brady Bumbling his receiving TD chance by bouncing it off his smug fingertips. Edited February 5, 2018 by Sherlock Holmes 1
Rc2catch Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 To be fair.. he’s lights out. But hard to say that translates to another team. He made some nice throws the last few games.
billsredneck1 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Posted February 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: You liked Trubisky over Watson, WTF do you know? haha ...true, but i will still wait a while before i judge.
stuvian Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 after the SB win I'd put Foles on par with Alex Smith in terms of market value
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 I confess I thought there was no way Foles had that in him. Always considered him in that Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown type class of Quarterback who had that one great year before people really began to cotton on to Chip's offense. He has been great in the postseason though, no doubt. And he will be a starter again next year. Arizona? Mike McCoy is another Andy Reid guy going back to Green Bay days I think.... 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 9 hours ago, kdiggz said: We will ignore his entire career besides 2013 to help prove your point. He had a great playoff run though No, let's not ignore his entire career. But let's look at it in perspective.
Chicken Boo Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Foles is in a system he knows, with a coach he knows. That matters. 1
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, stuvian said: after the SB win I'd put Foles on par with Alex Smith in terms of market value I bet Philly holds on to him. Wentz may not be ready for offseason work. 1
SoTier Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 9 hours ago, Rc2catch said: To be fair.. he’s lights out. But hard to say that translates to another team. He made some nice throws the last few games. A lot of Foles' success in the playoffs is because Pederson and his OC have modified the Eagles offense to fit what Foles does best as well as Doug Pederson's aggressive play calling. With a more conservative minded HC and an OC less willing to change to fit his QB, my guess is that Foles would struggle. 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I confess I thought there was no way Foles had that in him. Always considered him in that Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown type class of Quarterback who had that one great year before people really began to cotton on to Chip's offense. He has been great in the postseason though, no doubt. And he will be a starter again next year. Arizona? Mike McCoy is another Andy Reid guy going back to Green Bay days I think.... Foles has always had a much better arm than Fitzpatrick, McCown etc. If you look carefully at Foles 2014 year before he got hurt, some aspects were similar - similar pattern of YPG. He had 6 games in 2013 of <200 yds passing, 3 in 2014. So he (or the Shurmer/Kelly passing game) could be shut down by the right D, both in 2013 and 2014. The big difference was a falloff in completions and a spike in INT. You could see the shadows of that in last night's game. Foles, on his game, can be an aggressive passer who likes to challenge coverage and rely on his WR to either catch the ball or defend it. That pass to Jeffrey that was intercepted - a little bit off target, Jeffrey got a hand on it and in trying to juggle and catch it, knocked it back into the field of play for an INT instead of knocking it OOB - that's the sort of thing. Between 2013 and 2014, the Eagles turned over their WR core. Deshaun Jackson and one other player. You can't say they gave him crap, they got Jeremy Macklin and Ertz was starting to come on - but WR differences of inches in those sort of passes dropped his completion % and increased his INTs. Then they had some changes on OL, less production from the run game, a bit less protection so throws are a bit more off target. Something not too dissimilar happened to Matt Ryan this year and his game "fell off" . Now, would a better QB overcome that stuff? I dunno, is Ryan a better QB? Probably, but this sort of thing still bit him. There's more OL and WR to QB performance than we all like to admit sometimes. The Rams, when Foles was sent there, was a place where QB went to curl up and die. Really, their O was a total mess. What we've learned in hindsight is you really can't tell a thing about any QB who played there in 2015/2016 with Rob Boras (now our TE coach) as OC. I mean, sheesh - you had two Rams cast-offs (or refugees), Foles and Keenum, facing off for the NFC championship. When does that happen? When you have decent QB getting screwed over by an offensive system that's when. Other than that, until this year, Foles had a rookie season, and played 1 game for KC last year where he was very very good. Like 66% completion for >400 yds and 3 TD good. I have never understood where the "Foles is crap, Foles is garbage" blah blah has come from (not that that is what you're saying here, but it's been said) 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I bet Philly holds on to him. Wentz may not be ready for offseason work. This is what I think happens, though Philly is over the cap and has to make some hard decisions. But you simply can't hurry a guy back from an ACL. See Rams/Bradford 13 minutes ago, SoTier said: A lot of Foles' success in the playoffs is because Pederson and his OC have modified the Eagles offense to fit what Foles does best as well as Doug Pederson's aggressive play calling. With a more conservative minded HC and an OC less willing to change to fit his QB, my guess is that Foles would struggle. Absolutely, this. But you know, and I've kept saying this, SUCCESSFUL COACHES DO ADJUST THEIR SYSTEMS TO THEIR PLAYERS STRENGTHS. Pardon me shouting. I got frustrated saying this about Dennison/Taylor all season. (Yes, by the end of the season, Dennison did make adjustments but arguably too little too late)
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