Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: In reality though, that hasn't been called a catch all year. Whether you thought it was a catch or not, it hasn't been called like it was on that play all year and that's what he took into consideration when announcing that call. I think we all hated it because we feared it was going to be called in New England's favor. The Steelers are certainly salty about Ertz "catch" vs. Jesse James "incomplete pass", but they really are different plays. James caught the ball, got both feet down, and went to the ground, bobbling the ball as he did. Ertz caught the ball on the 6 yard line. If he hadn't become a runner by the time the ball crossed the plane, I don't know when a guy catching a pass ever becomes a runner. 1
Spiderweb Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 12 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Yeah, him going on and on about that obvious Ertz catch and TD was ridiculous. It was so annoying. Can't agree more. He refused to accept Ertz had the catch and had become a runner. I lost all respect for him because he just went on and on about it. He was wrong but couldn't admit it.
Mark Vader Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 I still like Collinsworth, but his Patriots* obsession was terrible to listen too. I hated the butt kissing of the Patriots* & Tom Brady that he was doing last night, but to be fair, which commentator out there doesn't do this? Everybody, whether it's ABC, CBS, FOX, ESPN or NFL Network, all kiss up to Brady & the Cheaters. This is not unique to Collinsworth, no matter how blatant it is. Al Michaels was kissing up too, constantly referring to Brady as "Tom". When has any announcer ever called the Patriots* out on anything?
Kelly the Dog Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I respectfully disagree. To me, it was clear that Ertz had made the catch, secured the football, and made a football move (he took 2 or 3 steps with control). Hell, the ball even crossed the plane of the goal line before it hit the ground and came lose. It was abundantly clear, IMO, that he was a runner. Perhaps I am missing something, but I didn't understand what the controversy was all about... He caught it at the six yard line.
The Now Moment Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I respectfully disagree. To me, it was clear that Ertz had made the catch, secured the football, and made a football move (he took 2 or 3 steps with control). Hell, the ball even crossed the plane of the goal line before it hit the ground and came lose. It was abundantly clear, IMO, that he was a runner. Perhaps I am missing something, but I didn't understand what the controversy was all about... Like I said, whether you thought it was a catch or not, plays like that have been called incomplete all season. Goodell stated that he's concerned about the catch rule and that changes could be coming. Do you not remember the Pittsburg New England game? Very similar play, called differently. Whether you thought it was a catch or not, the announcers had to take into consideration plays this year and Al Riveron who was in the booth making that call. Certainly not as cut and dry as you make it sound.
Helpmenow Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Xwnyer said: Michaels and Collingsworth are the absolute worst team calling NFL football and that is including all the D leagues calling games on Fox and CBS. CC voice is that of a whiny little brat. He is so gushing of Brady I kept the TV muted the entire game unfortunately the radio feeds I had were ahead of the Directv video If their the worst why would nbc have them on
The Now Moment Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Steelers are certainly salty about Ertz "catch" vs. Jesse James "incomplete pass", but they really are different plays. James caught the ball, got both feet down, and went to the ground, bobbling the ball as he did. Ertz caught the ball on the 6 yard line. If he hadn't become a runner by the time the ball crossed the plane, I don't know when a guy catching a pass ever becomes a runner. It's not as cut and dry as you make it seem. Ertz only got two steps down and then when he finally got to the ground the ball popped out. I thought it was a catch but to bash the announcer for not knowing based on the way the league has called those plays this year is low to me. It was certainly not clear cut by any means, at least not for this season.
Spiderweb Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Like I said, whether you thought it was a catch or not, plays like that have been called incomplete all season. Goodell stated that he's concerned about the catch rule and that changes could be coming. Do you not remember the Pittsburg New England game? Very similar play, called differently. Whether you thought it was a catch or not, the announcers had to take into consideration plays this year and Al Riveron who was in the booth making that call. Certainly not as cut and dry as you make it sound. Clements catch may have been overturned during the season, but Ertz's catch AND run was a horse of another color without any doubt.
The Now Moment Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Spiderweb said: Clements catch may have been overturned during the season, but Ertz's catch AND run was a horse of another color without any doubt. I'm not saying that it wasn't a catch. I'm simply stating that bashing an announcer for not knowing cut and dry what the call would be and trying to look at it several times after the year we've had with catches being called incomplete...that's a little low IMO. What do you honestly say in that position? Those were close calls that have similar calls that were incomplete during the regular season.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Like I said, whether you thought it was a catch or not, plays like that have been called incomplete all season. Goodell stated that he's concerned about the catch rule and that changes could be coming. Do you not remember the Pittsburg New England game? Very similar play, called differently. Whether you thought it was a catch or not, the announcers had to take into consideration plays this year and Al Riveron who was in the booth making that call. Certainly not as cut and dry as you make it sound. I respectfully disagree. It has to do with the amount of travel between the catch and the bobble. Not that I disagree that the catch rule is bullcrap and changes are overdue, but a catch at the 6 yd line/bobble after the ball crosses the plane and a catch at the 1-2 yd line (one foot/two feet/fall/bobble) aren't the same play and you don't need to be a replay genius to see that. 11 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: It's not as cut and dry as you make it seem. Ertz only got two steps down and then when he finally got to the ground the ball popped out. I thought it was a catch but to bash the announcer for not knowing based on the way the league has called those plays this year is low to me. It was certainly not clear cut by any means, at least not for this season. I can't blame the announcers for being uncertain - I was uncertain, despite how much of a catch-run-plane-bobble sequence it looked like to me. But they just kept on and on and on about it, even after the call, to the detriment of being able to follow the game.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 37 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: When has any announcer ever called the Patriots* out on anything? Hey Mark, Tell Phili-Delphia CONGRATS!!!!!
The Now Moment Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I respectfully disagree. It has to do with the amount of travel between the catch and the bobble. Not that I disagree that the catch rule is bullcrap and changes are overdue, but a catch at the 6 yd line/bobble after the ball crosses the plane and a catch at the 1-2 yd line (one foot/two feet/fall/bobble) aren't the same play and you don't need to be a replay genius to see that. Like I stated in the previous posts, whether you thought it was a catch or not, the way it's been called this year...it wasn't a cut and dry call. I don't think you can bash the announcer for talking about the play and not knowing which way it'd be called because of previous calls Edited February 5, 2018 by Buffalo30
Mark Vader Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: In reality though, that hasn't been called a catch all year. Whether you thought it was a catch or not, it hasn't been called like it was on that play all year and that's what he took into consideration when announcing that call. I think we all hated it because we feared it was going to be called in New England's favor. Exactly. Yes, Collinsworth belabored this play and how it should be called, but we saw a lot of similar plays like this during the year, that were initially called touchdowns, but were wrongly overturned. We all saw it happen to us with Kelvin Benjamin. I ask all of you, and be honest, would you have been shocked if the instant replay official would have overturned the last 2 touchdowns by the Eagles? I wouldn't have. 1
DC Tom Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: I ask all of you, and be honest, would you have been shocked if the instant replay official would have overturned the last 2 touchdowns by the Eagles? I wouldn't have. Kraft forgot to sign the check, clearly...
row_33 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) it's a replay, anything can literally happen after the review easy to say it was so obvious AFTER the final call was made, especially if it confirms your view but geez who knows what they are going to decide in any sport now? Edited February 5, 2018 by row_33
Gary M Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 17 hours ago, Process said: Despite always sounding like he's suffering from the worst constipation of his life, I always liked him as an announcer. Not anymore, he was an embarrassment tonight. Lost all respect for the guy. I'm sure him and riveron are in the Patriots locker room double teaming Brady trying to console him. I quit watching inside the NFL because of him
4_kidd_4 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Collinsworth and his takes have always been trash, going all the way back to old school HBO Inside The NFL. He used the expression “violent” last night about two dozen times. It was irksome. 14 minutes ago, Gary M said: I quit watching inside the NFL because of him Ha, I didn’t see this before my I posted, but there ya go! It wasn’t just me!
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 I couldn't figure out why he doesn't understand that Ertz caught the ball took three steps and dove how that's not a football move. If they overturned that I would of turned the tv off. Collinsworth was acting like there was no way that was a TD.
GoBills808 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 I liked how he said Brady 'put the ball exactly where he wanted to' after he threw it into the dirt at his receiver's feet. That's the kind of analysis that makes the game so good. 1
Gary M Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: I couldn't figure out why he doesn't understand that Ertz caught the ball took three steps and dove how that's not a football move. If they overturned that I would of turned the tv off. Collinsworth was acting like there was no way that was a TD. Because of the call against Pittsburgh, which was wrong. 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Steelers are certainly salty about Ertz "catch" vs. Jesse James "incomplete pass", but they really are different plays. James caught the ball, got both feet down, and went to the ground, bobbling the ball as he did. James caught the ball and had enough control to extend it beyond the goal line with both hands . I think that should be a football move.
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