Foreigner Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Great article today in the Daily News (New York) about all NFL QBs and the salary cap. As we all know, New England is better than anyone in NFL, not withstanding winning or losing today. They draft better than anyone, they coach better than anyone, and the only head coach in the league to have full roster control is Bill Belichick, although I think McDermott comes close as he brought Beane from Carolina. Anyway, the Pats lead the league in having undrafted free agents with 18, 34% of the roster. 7new key players on D this past year, and on O, only 1 starter who was a Pats 1st round pick. The point of the lengthy article is how QBs played this season in comparison to the salery cap hit their team took for them.A lot of you know that Tom Brady, the 3rd best rated QB in the league had his 2017 QB salary % of the cap 19th of 43, meaning the Pats had a lot of money left over to sign free agents. The Bills had Taylor the 18th rated QB, and 22nd against the Cap with a little under 5% of his salary against the cap. The worst situation is Joe Flacco who dealt the Ravens a cap hit of 14.5% of their cap space. Whether it means anything to you, QB play rated under Taylor this past year include Prescott, Carr, Dalton, Bortles, Palmer, Brissett, Foles, Mariota, Cutler, Newton, Manning, and Flacco. What does this all mean, maybe nothing, but maybe Taylor is not costing a horrible sum against the cap, and just because the Bills can draft in quantity in the draft, doesn't mean they can draft their way into the SB.
K D Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 It doesnt matter if he costs $1 if he can't complete a pass. He's not good. 6 4
OldTimer1960 Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) I agree that they coach better and, most importantly, have the greatest QB ever and he his playing on a comparatively inexpensive contract. I don’t think that they necessarily draft better than other teams. Brady’s play and Belichick’s coaching account for most of their success. i forget who said it, but it was a high profile NFL coach or GM: He (Belichick) can take his and beat your’s and he can take your’s and beat his. Edited February 4, 2018 by OldTimer1960 1
JaCrispy Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: It doesnt matter if he costs $1 if he can't complete a pass. He's not good. Not to mention next year Tyrod’s cap hit goes up to $18 million...
cale Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I agree that they coach better and, most importantly, have the greatest QB ever and he his playing on a comparatively inexpensive contract. I don’t think that they necessarily draft better than other teams. Brady’s play and Belichick’s coaching account for most of their success. i forget who said it, but it was a high profile NFL coach or GM: He (Belichick) can take his and beat your’s and he can take your’s and beat his. Having one of the best QB/Coach tandems in maybe all of NFL history covers up a multitude of sins. There are teams that draft better...by a lot. But Pats have Brady. 1
Success Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 The Pats don’t draft better than everyone. They don’t even really draft that well. BB is not some amazing GM. He IS an amazing coach, and has the greatest QB of all time. That covers a lot of personnel mistakes. 4
gobills1212 Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 If we used the same amount of thought that gets put into 'polishing a turd' around here... think of all the real world problems we could solve. World peace and hunger issues come to mind... 1
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, Foreigner said: Great article today in the Daily News (New York) about all NFL QBs and the salary cap. As we all know, New England is better than anyone in NFL, not withstanding winning or losing today. They draft better than anyone, they coach better than anyone, and the only head coach in the league to have full roster control is Bill Belichick, although I think McDermott comes close as he brought Beane from Carolina. Anyway, the Pats lead the league in having undrafted free agents with 18, 34% of the roster. 7new key players on D this past year, and on O, only 1 starter who was a Pats 1st round pick. The point of the lengthy article is how QBs played this season in comparison to the salery cap hit their team took for them.A lot of you know that Tom Brady, the 3rd best rated QB in the league had his 2017 QB salary % of the cap 19th of 43, meaning the Pats had a lot of money left over to sign free agents. The Bills had Taylor the 18th rated QB, and 22nd against the Cap with a little under 5% of his salary against the cap. The worst situation is Joe Flacco who dealt the Ravens a cap hit of 14.5% of their cap space. Whether it means anything to you, QB play rated under Taylor this past year include Prescott, Carr, Dalton, Bortles, Palmer, Brissett, Foles, Mariota, Cutler, Newton, Manning, and Flacco. What does this all mean, maybe nothing, but maybe Taylor is not costing a horrible sum against the cap, and just because the Bills can draft in quantity in the draft, doesn't mean they can draft their way into the SB. I don't care about percentages, I don't want a QB who has trouble playing the position as an actual QB to be leading the team, we can do better and just because he's not "killing our cap" he is hurting us in more ways imo.
Foreigner Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 Does anyone really think that Brady would be still be the greatest if he didn't have a OL to protect him. The way to beat Brady is to pressure him. The Bills played the Pats twice this year, and Brady did basically what he did whenever he plays the Bills. You want to compare their pass catchers with the Bills, really, for instance Gronk against Clay who is so banged up he can hardly practice. I don't care where the Pats get their players from: the draft, free agency, or the BIlls. Year after year they draft near the end ofeach round, and year after year they win the AFC, and mostly go to the SB. They know what they are doing, the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins basically don't. End of story. 1
Heavy Kevi Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 55 minutes ago, kdiggz said: It doesnt matter if he costs $1 if he can't complete a pass. He's not good. 50 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Not to mention next year Tyrod’s cap hit goes up to $18 million... Case closed. End thread\ 1
Real McClappy Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Success said: The Pats don’t draft better than everyone. They don’t even really draft that well. BB is not some amazing GM. He IS an amazing coach, and has the greatest QB of all time. That covers a lot of personnel mistakes. Agree with this a ton. It does not help that the AFC east has sucked for so very long as for some reason none of the other 3 clubs understand the importance of having a top ten QB. The Bills have actually had some decent teams over the years but lacked the most important piece for 15+ years now. NE is a great team, there really is no debate about it. A ton of NE success comes due to the Jets, Dolphins and Bills. Since Brady took over they won the div. 14 out of 15 years. The QB carousel on the 3 teams during this tenure is a friggin hot mess. Add on: 15 years of Pats Div records: 5-15-14-24-24-26-05-15-14-24-26-04-25-15-15-1 71 - 19 Holy Hell Edited February 4, 2018 by Real McCoy
mjd1001 Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: Great article today in the Daily News (New York) about all NFL QBs and the salary cap. As we all know, New England is better than anyone in NFL, not withstanding winning or losing today. They draft better than anyone Um..No. Take a look at the Pats picks over the years...if you are being honest they draft pretty much the same as everyone else. I read a post on here a few years ago linking to an article that said they actually draft WORSE than the average team. I'm not sure why everyone says/thinks they draft better than everyone else. NE is the team they are becasue they have a good coach, and great QB, and a decent team around them.
Foreigner Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 How do they get the decent team around them all the time? Please explain that and I will listen. Why is it that the Bills had no use for Eric Lee, and he became a big part of the Pats down the stretch.
swnybillsfan Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Foreigner said: How do they get the decent team around them all the time? Please explain that and I will listen. they let go of aging and overpriced players. they scour other teams for developed, bargain priced players. they take risks on players with immense talent that have red flags (this sometimes works, sometimes doesn't...but they are always called genius for it). and a lot of times, free agents flock to NE for the chance to win a ring. but mostly, they have the best qb to ever play the game, arguably the best coach ever, and a reputation as a perennial sb contender. 1
BringBackOrton Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) What am I reading? What is the "Deal of the Century?" What the hell is going on out there? Edited February 4, 2018 by jmc12290 1
Foreigner Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 That is page 77-79 of the Daily News today. "Brady makes Pats dynasty economically possible with cap-friendly contracts". The story was titled Deal of the Century.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Just because Taylor is relatively cheap doesn’t make him a bargain. He’s trash
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Foreigner said: Great article today in the Daily News (New York) about all NFL QBs and the salary cap. As we all know, New England is better than anyone in NFL, not withstanding winning or losing today. They draft better than anyone, they coach better than anyone, and the only head coach in the league to have full roster control is Bill Belichick, although I think McDermott comes close as he brought Beane from Carolina. Anyway, the Pats lead the league in having undrafted free agents with 18, 34% of the roster. 7new key players on D this past year, and on O, only 1 starter who was a Pats 1st round pick. The point of the lengthy article is how QBs played this season in comparison to the salery cap hit their team took for them.A lot of you know that Tom Brady, the 3rd best rated QB in the league had his 2017 QB salary % of the cap 19th of 43, meaning the Pats had a lot of money left over to sign free agents. The Bills had Taylor the 18th rated QB, and 22nd against the Cap with a little under 5% of his salary against the cap. The worst situation is Joe Flacco who dealt the Ravens a cap hit of 14.5% of their cap space. Whether it means anything to you, QB play rated under Taylor this past year include Prescott, Carr, Dalton, Bortles, Palmer, Brissett, Foles, Mariota, Cutler, Newton, Manning, and Flacco. What does this all mean, maybe nothing, but maybe Taylor is not costing a horrible sum against the cap, and just because the Bills can draft in quantity in the draft, doesn't mean they can draft their way into the SB. I do think this is a big factor. IMO there are maybe 1/2 dozen QB's that are really worth the money they are paid, Brady being one of them. Look at Seattle, they won on Wilson's rookie contract, once he signed a big deal that ate up to much of the cap, (and others on the roster too) they've struggled. If you can win with a cheap guy, you're way ahead. My hope the beginning of the season was that TT would play well enough to keep around on a cheap contract and would leave enough $$ and draft picks to put a real strong team around him. Unfortunately that hasn't worked out and while his % of cap hit is real good, he just can't play at a starting QB level in the NFL.
Foreigner Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 They did get good players like you described,along with the following draft choices who did okay. J Brissett 2016 J Garoppolo 2014 J White 2014 D Hightower 2012 C Jones 2012 N Solder 2011 S Vareen 2011 R Mallett 2011 D McCourtney 2010 R Gronkowsky 2010 P Chung 2009 D Butler 2009 J Edelman 2009 and if you want to go back to 2006 S. Gostkowsky, so don't tell me they can't draft, and go back to all the teams that passed on TB12.
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