Another Fan Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I think Orton was bad for most of his time with the Bills except for two big games against the NYJ. He was terrible against MIA, GB, CLE, and DEN in the stretch run of 2014. The final drive against Minnesota he led that year was pretty sweet. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, Another Fan said: The final drive against Minnesota he led that year was pretty sweet. It was. I'll give him that with the nice TD to Sammy and the miracle conversion before that. He still had quite a few stinkers.
BringBackOrton Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I think Orton was bad for most of his time with the Bills except for two big games against the NYJ. He was terrible against MIA, GB, CLE, and DEN in the stretch run of 2014. 48 second mark. THAT'S how you play QB! Edited February 4, 2018 by jmc12290
GunnerBill Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Best single season from a QB was Bledsoe's first year but longevity and consistency I have Tyrod #1 and Fitz #2. I have the gap closer than some. None of the QB play has been good enough.
Dr. Who Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: None of the QB play has been good enough. How can anyone read that list and not want to either cry or fall asleep from boredom?
DC Tom Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 I'm going to say Brian Brohm, just because he can use the press.
Big Turk Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Its crazy that Tyrod, Fitz and Bledsoe are so close in YPG when Tyrod is always being bashed because he doesn't put up big yardage totals...
BringBackOrton Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, pimp on da' net said: I will go by the facts as to which QB was the best QB during the drought period, my criteria; winning pct., game winning drives (GWD) and TD's. 1- Tyrod, 2- Drew, 3- Fitz Rk Player From To G Pos AV QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD 1 Jim Kelly 1986 1996 160 QB 132 101-59-0 2874 4779 60.1 35467 237 5.0 175 3.7 84 7.4 6.8 12.3 221.7 84.4 323 2427 6.48 5.86 6.3 22 29 2 Joe Ferguson 1973 1984 164 QB 100 77-86-0 2188 4166 52.5 27590 181 4.3 190 4.6 92 6.6 5.4 12.6 168.2 68.9 292 2529 5.62 4.52 6.6 19 23 3 Jack Kemp 1962 1969 88 QB 55 43-31-3 1039 2240 46.4 15134 77 3.4 132 5.9 94 6.8 4.8 14.6 172.0 55.8 21 187 4.92 2.92 5.8 6 6 4 Ryan Fitzpatrick 2009 2012 55 QB 34 20-33-0 1041 1742 59.8 11654 80 4.6 64 3.7 98 6.7 6.0 11.2 211.9 79.8 97 581 6.02 5.33 5.3 4 6 5 Drew Bledsoe 2002 2004 48 QB 31 23-25-0 905 1531 59.1 10151 55 3.6 43 2.8 73 6.6 6.1 11.2 211.5 79.2 140 955 5.50 5.00 8.4 3 5 6 Tyrod Taylor 2015 2017 44 QB 40 22-20-0 774 1236 62.6 8857 51 4.1 16 1.3 84 7.2 7.4 11.4 201.3 92.5 124 660 6.03 6.25 9.1 3 5 7 Doug Flutie 1998 2000 39 QB 33 21-9-0 598 1063 56.3 7582 47 4.4 30 2.8 84 7.1 6.7 12.7 194.4 81.7 48 322 6.53 6.17 4.3 5 7 8 Dennis Shaw 1970 1973 45 QB 20 8-27-2 485 916 52.9 6286 35 3.8 67 7.3 75 6.9 4.3 13.0 139.7 57.1 123 1058 5.03 2.80 11.8 6 5 9 J.P. Losman 2004 2008 42 QB 20 10-23-0 558 941 59.3 6211 33 3.5 34 3.6 87 6.6 5.7 11.1 147.9 75.6 103 751 5.23 4.40 9.9 3 6 10 Trent Edwards 2007 2010 34 QB 17 14-18-0 535 878 60.9 5739 25 2.8 27 3.1 70 6.5 5.7 10.7 168.8 76.8 65 450 5.61 4.85 6.9 4 5 11 Rob Johnson 1998 2001 30 QB 17 9-17-0 401 663 60.5 4798 27 4.1 17 2.6 74 7.2 6.9 12.0 159.9 85.5 110 660 5.35 5.06 14.2 2 2 12 EJ Manuel 2013 2016 28 QB 10 6-11-0 319 547 58.3 3502 19 3.5 15 2.7 80 6.4 5.9 11.0 125.1 77.5 43 268 5.48 4.98 7.3 1 3 13 Todd Collins 1995 1997 28 QB 8 7-10-0 284 519 54.7 3218 16 3.1 19 3.7 95 6.2 5.2 11.3 114.9 68.5 56 374 4.95 4.02 9.7 3 5 14 Kyle Orton 2014 2014 12 QB 8 7-5-0 287 447 64.2 3018 18 4.0 10 2.2 84 6.8 6.6 10.5 251.5 87.8 33 198 5.88 5.69 6.9 2 2 15 Alex Van Pelt 1995 2003 31 QB 7 3-8-0 262 477 54.9 2985 16 3.4 24 5.0 80 6.3 4.7 11.4 96.3 64.1 19 113 5.79 4.26 3.8 1 3 16 Frank Reich 1985 1994 93 QB 9 4-4-0 222 377 58.9 2540 18 4.8 12 3.2 63 6.7 6.3 11.4 27.3 81.9 38 291 5.42 4.99 9.2 3 3 Tyrod is worse in 2/3 of your criteria, but gets ranked #1? Is this a troll attempt? 36 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Kyle orton was a little B word. Shocking to me that some people can watch this and think he has a chance here. KO getting his head taken off for no reason could've doomed the year.
BobbyC81 Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, kdiggz said: Best seasons go to Bledsoe, Orton, Fitz. Hard to choose which of them was the best because Bledsoe played so bad the following season he was run out of town, Orton only played the 1 season then decided he would rather retire than come back, and Fitz just wasn't good enough to be a starter. If you think Tyrod was good then you need to factor in his running. That's not a QB. I'm ranking them as far as actually being able to throw a football I have this long-lasting vision of Bledsoe "The Statue" standing in the pocket and then one, two, three... defenders getting a hold of him and they can't get him down and then the whistle blows.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: It's 100% true. Orton dragged that 2014 offense to 18th in points. If TT was their QB, they might have been the worst offense in the NFL. Tyrod took the same offense to top 10 twice. 1
pimp on da' net Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 5 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Tyrod is worse in 2/3 of your criteria, but gets ranked #1? Is this a troll attempt? Shocking to me that some people can watch this and think he has a chance here. KO getting his head taken off for no reason could've doomed the year. Wins (percentage) trumps all...his GWD is one away from Fitz in 11 less games & tied with Drew and also a better completion pct., as well... Yeah, I have him as the best of those three listed during the drought.
BringBackOrton Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Tyrod took the same offense to top 10 twice. You and I have very different opinions of "same." Shady, Harvin, Clay, Incognito, Karlos, Gillislee. Versus Freddy's corpse, Spills, Urbik, Bryce Brown, Scott Chandler etc. Yes, the exact same personnel. Also TT got them to 12th in points that year. All it took was a future HoF RB, the highest paid UFA TE, a Pro Bowl G, and an OROY candidate to get the Bills offense to move up 6 spots. Thank God for Tyrod! Edited February 5, 2018 by jmc12290
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: You and I have very different opinions of "same." Shady, Harvin, Clay, Incognito, Karlos, Gillislee. Versus Freddy's corpse, Spills, Urbik, Bryce Brown, Scott Chandler etc. Yes, the exact same personnel. Also TT got them to 12th in points that year. All it took was a future HoF RB, the highest paid UFA TE, a Pro Bowl G, and an OROY candidate to get the Bills offense to move up 6 spots. Thank God for Tyrod! Annnnnnd they were bottom three in pass offense those years too
BringBackOrton Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Annnnnnd they were bottom three in pass offense those years too That's true! Orton's/EJ's passing offenses - 18th in yards, 15th in TD's Tyrod's/EJ's passing offenses - 28th in yards, 20th in TD's Tyrod saved the offense!
Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: You and I have very different opinions of "same." Shady, Harvin, Clay, Incognito, Karlos, Gillislee. Versus Freddy's corpse, Spills, Urbik, Bryce Brown, Scott Chandler etc. Yes, the exact same personnel. Also TT got them to 12th in points that year. All it took was a future HoF RB, the highest paid UFA TE, a Pro Bowl G, and an OROY candidate to get the Bills offense to move up 6 spots. Thank God for Tyrod! Just take those L’s you are tossing around. It’s Tyrod and it’s not close. He WON. That’s all that matters. I actually like Orton but there isn’t a football guy in the league that would say Orton over TT. I know that’s what you want to be reality because it would give a boost to your posting history but it just isn’t reality. Also, don’t try to drop some played out .gif passing it off as original. Swallow those L’s and we can talk tomorrow. The Pats lost!! Edited February 5, 2018 by Kirby Jackson
Rico Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Sure is a lot of Tyrod hate in here to push Brain Dead Drew to the top of the poll.
BringBackOrton Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Just take those lL’ayou are tossing around. It’s Tyrod and it’s not close. He WON. That’s all that matters. I actually like Orton but there isn’t a football guy in the league that would say Orton over TT. I know that’s what you want to be reality because it would give a boost to your posting history but it just isn’t reality. Also, don’t try to drop some played out .gif passing it off as original. Swallow those L’s and we can talk tomorrow. The Pats lost!! It took him three seasons to win as much as the 2014 Bills. I know we're all celebrating the Pats loss, but let this be a lesson to the kids. Don't drink and post. Also, I followed up your unoriginal .gif with one of my own. Or did you pop in your Entourage DVD to make that one just now?
ColoradoBills Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 7 hours ago, ddaryl said: the other teams QB was the best QB during the drought Tom Brady had the best record in Buffalo. God, I hope that's over sooner than later.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: It took him three seasons to win as much as the 2014 Bills. I know we're all celebrating the Pats loss, but let this be a lesson to the kids. Don't drink and post. Also, I followed up your unoriginal .gif with one of my own. Or did you pop in your Entourage DVD to make that one just now? He had a winning record in his first 2 seasons too. You can look it up, it’s true. You posted the stupid “l” .gif. That is so played out. Find something original!!
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