ndirish1978 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 So the "source" for this is a confirmed gossip website with no actual insiders? I'm in. 1
4merper4mer Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said: Should this trade be an easy sell to the Colts?Luck hasn’t lived up to his hype. Brissett on the other hand is better than we thought he would be. Maybe they should give us a draft pick to take him. The market should dictate whether the Colts or their trade partner want to trade. I assume the Colts take a cap hit for the bonus if they trade him. They would certainly acknowledge being in rebuild mode. They would also lose a popular community guy. Although he hasn't lived up to his hype, he isn't bad or anything. Of course the Colts wouldn't and shouldn't trade him without getting value back. He isn't Osweiler. He nearly matched Hasselbeck who had a nice career. I do question what the other team should do given his name alone connotes visions of his projections. Should a team give up several ones because he was the be all and end all 8 years ago? Im leaving the shoulder out of this because we only know it has been a while and we don't know the prognosis. The Colts might and they would share the info in a trade. The whack a doo trip to Europe doesn't have a good look though. If I were the Bills I'd have a long talk with the kid to see where his head is at, I'd offer the Colts a 2018 2 and 2019 2 with the 2019 turning into a 1 if he plays 14 regular season games, and turning into a 4 if he plays less than 8. If I'm the Colts that probably isn't enough. 1
BillsFan2313 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, CritMark said: I happen to agree that Luck is a top tier talent but I am afraid the 'hapless Colts' description may be a bit of revisionist history. In 2010 Manning led them to a 10-6 record. Without any Qb anyone would remember in 2011 with Manning out, they were indeed awful. Luck comes in in 2012 and restores order. The whole team did not fall apart the year before luck arrived, just the QB play. For those who forget: Kerry Collins - 3 games, 49.0% completions, 2 TD/1 Int and a rating of 65.9 Curtis Painter - 9 games, 54.3% completions, 5 TD/9 INT and a rating of 66.6 (that was the highest rating of his career, the other two years with very limited games 9.8 & 19.0 rating respectively) Dan Orlovsky - 8 games, 63.2% completions, 6 TD/4 INT and a rating of 82.4 (Also the highest rating of his career) Obviously some games w/multiple QBs but the point is, they were BAD. This was not a perpetually bad team, just a one year bump due to QB issues. So, the one year they didn't have a great QB in that time frame, they were awful? I think you just proved his point. 1
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 4:11 PM, dorquemada said: it's not as far fetched as some are making it out to be. he carries a lot of risk right now, and is making crazy money. I bet if the Bills offered them their 2 firsts and a player, maybe a little more, it would be a coup for the Colts, 3 first round pics, and a credible player like Glenn? I think McDaniels would like that. First off, it would immediately make the Colts HIS team versus Luck's, and he'd have the draft capital to build a contender, almost immediately. Plus they have Brissett who can hold place until the Rookie gets in. They have allot of holes on that team and Luck draws a huge salary. Sounds crazy but who knows. All I know is that I would be buying his jersey immediately.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 pre 6/1 trade: $22.2M Dead Cap, $2.2M Cap Savings post 6/1 trade: $9.4M Dead Cap, $15M Cap Savings, $12.8M Dead cap in 2019
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: What if it were, say, 21, 22, next year's 1st, and Glenn? IF healthy and fully cleared, i do it 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: IF healthy and fully cleared, i do it I guess my question is if that were the price, are you less suspicious of the medicals? Obviously we'd never know either way until things played themselves out.
Fan in Chicago Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: What if it were, say, 21, 22, next year's 1st, and Glenn? That is a lot particularly for the reasons crayonz wrote about. For that price, we should be able to move up and grab aQB from this years draft, no?
SouthNYfan Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 51 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Never said he was hot garbage....I said he hasn't lived up to his hype. Was the time Matt Hasselbeck replaced Luck and improved the Colts record considered pre injury or post injury? Which injuries are you counting? You mean the time luck tore cartridge in multiple ribs in week 3 against the Titans, in which he won the game, missed 3 weeks, then tried to play through it for 4 more games before being shutdown for the season due to the injury, after receiving painkiller injections before and during each game, games which they lost to: -the eventual 12-4 Patriots and Brady -the eventual 15-1 Panthers and cam during his mvp and Superbowl season -the 7-9 saints with Brees during a 3 game hot streak of them scoring 31, 27, 52 points All of which were 1 score loses Then he beat the broncos, you know, who went 12-4 and won the Superbowl, before he was shutdown for the season from a kidney laceration he received during a hit that game. Your a moron when it comes to Andrew Luck.
CritMark Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: So, the one year they didn't have a great QB in that time frame, they were awful? I think you just proved his point. Quite the contrary. Having a good team with a good QB, being bad with AWFUL QB play, and returning to a good team does not mean the whole team was inherently bad. What it means is the team has the capacity to be at least a respectable team with a good QB. I have read on here more times than I can count how if we had QB XXX we would win x # games more. That doesn't mean the whole team was bad. Let's look at past year. The Bills win 9 games. If a QB of the equivalent talent of Painter is at the helm we may win maybe 3 or 4 and I'm not sure I would bet on that. Does that mean all the rest of the players on the team went to ****? The point I was making was Luck did not take over a terrible team. He inherited a better than average team that went through a year with awful QB play.
Augie Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: That is a lot particularly for the reasons crayonz wrote about. For that price, we should be able to move up and grab aQB from this years draft, no? It would have to be Darnold or Rosen, and even then it’s a gamble. A healthy Luck is a sure thing, in my mind. Expensive, but a known and proven talent. What is the deal with Luck’s giant contract, anyway? I probably missed that somewhere...
Cruiserplayer Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Augie said: It would have to be Darnold or Rosen, and even then it’s a gamble. A healthy Luck is a sure thing, in my mind. Expensive, but a known and proven talent. What is the deal with Luck’s giant contract, anyway? I probably missed that somewhere... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/andrew-luck-9811/ approximately 23 mill left in guarantees. 1
4merper4mer Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: That is a lot particularly for the reasons crayonz wrote about. For that price, we should be able to move up and grab aQB from this years draft, no? Sadly, it might not be enough.
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Augie said: It would have to be Darnold or Rosen, and even then it’s a gamble. A healthy Luck is a sure thing, in my mind. Expensive, but a known and proven talent. What is the deal with Luck’s giant contract, anyway? I probably missed that somewhere... His contract looks a lot better now post Carr, Stafford, and (soon) Cousins
4merper4mer Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Your a moron when it comes to Andrew Luck. Kim Jung QB acknowledges your appreciation for his perfection but demands the use of proper grammar in doing so. Anything less will sully his image. 1
Bruce_Stools Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Kim Jung QB acknowledges your appreciation for his perfection but demands the use of proper grammar in doing so. Anything less will sully his image. Yea idiot, it's YORE. Get it right next time
HansLanda Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 I like this in theory, but when was the last time Luck actually participated fully in even a practice? Hell, when was the last time he threw period? If Luck's health is back, I'm 100% on board with trying to get him. I just have questions about that shoulder.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, HansLanda said: I like this in theory, but when was the last time Luck actually participated fully in even a practice? Hell, when was the last time he threw period? If Luck's health is back, I'm 100% on board with trying to get him. I just have questions about that shoulder. ...agree.....and I think the ONLY way you could ever pull a deal off is if Irsay is HEAVILY sedated (......shouldn't be a problem then)..................... 1
Fan in Chicago Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: . Your a moron when it comes to Andrew Luck. Even ignoring your rather ironic choice of words, you need to be careful disparaging this particular poster.
Augie Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: His contract looks a lot better now post Carr, Stafford, and (soon) Cousins Just saw that.... that’s always the case, I guess. What seems absurd today will eventually be a deal. These guys now get generational wealth. I bet some people thought we gave Jack Kemp too many peanuts at some point.
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