SouthNYfan Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The winning records came it what was literally the worst division in the history of football. The Colts lost on purpose to get him and then let go of an all time great with Super Bowls in his FUTURE to clear a spot. He cost them a lot and would cost us a ton of picks too. I don't think I have ever called him a bust. He is not Ryan Leaf. But he had the highest expectations of anyone ever coming out of college. He has come nowhere close to meeting them. 8 years later Emperor Luck is still having everyone tell him his new clothes look awesome. Where are you getting 8 years? He has been in the league for 4 full seasons, one half season, and one missed season. He was drafted in 2012. Manning barely had any years left in the tank when he left them, and his neck was a complete question mark. He played 3 great seasons with Denver, then his neck was done for by the last one. Worst division in the history of football? I guess he didn't beat anybody but his division. Division wasn't good, but to call them the worst in the history of football is absurd. 2012 the Texans were 12-4 2013 Luck beat both the broncos and Seahawks (you know, the legion of boom Superbowl champs that year) where he led them to 34 and 39 points against those teams. 2014 the Texans were 9-7, hardly "worst division ever" territory, and he went to the AFC championship game Your bias against luck is obvious. The fact that you don't think he was one of the top5 QBs in the game before his injury removes all credibility you have in regards to him. Edited February 2, 2018 by SouthNYfan 3
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Where are you getting 8 years? He has been in the league for 4 full seasons, one half season, and one missed season. He was drafted in 2012. Manning barely had any years left in the tank when he left them, and his neck was a complete question mark. He played 3 great seasons with Denver, then his neck was done for by the last one. Worst division in the history of football? I guess he didn't beat anybody but his division. Division wasn't good, but to call them the worst in the history of football is absurd. 2012 the Texans were 12-4 2013 Luck beat both the broncos and Seahawks (you know, the legion of boom Superbowl champs that year) where he led them to 34 and 39 points against those teams. 2014 the Texans were 9-7, hardly "worst division ever" territory, and he went to the AFC championship game Your bias against luck is obvious. The fact that you don't think he was one of the top5 QBs in the game before his injury removes all credibility you have in regards to him. 4merper4mer is known for comparing Luck to a certain North Korean dictator in the sense that neither is able to be criticized 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, nucci said: You want guys with serious injuries on this team? Kuechly has had 3 bad concussions already and Luck hasn't thrown pain free in over a year They should be cheap then right? I mean they're boh ready for the glue factory apparently.
Nihilarian Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The winning records came it what was literally the worst division in the history of football. The Colts lost on purpose to get him and then let go of an all time great with Super Bowls in his FUTURE to clear a spot. He cost them a lot and would cost us a ton of picks too. I don't think I have ever called him a bust. He is not Ryan Leaf. But he had the highest expectations of anyone ever coming out of college. He has come nowhere close to meeting them. 8 years later Emperor Luck is still having everyone tell him his new clothes look awesome. Jeez, Dude, the guy has only been in the NFL for 5 years now and he took that hapless Colts team to an 11-5 record in his first three seasons. The Colts run game and defense have been pretty bad his entire time with the Colts not to mention the offensive line protecting him has been just as bad. No QB in the NFL can win without a decent team around him and AFAIC Luck has carried that team on his back his entire NFL career. Besides TY Hilton name me one player on offense that has made the pro bowl other than Luck.
prissythecat Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Jeez, Dude, the guy has only been in the NFL for 5 years now and he took that hapless Colts team to an 11-5 record in his first three seasons. The Colts run game and defense have been pretty bad his entire time with the Colts not to mention the offensive line protecting him has been just as bad. No QB in the NFL can win without a decent team around him and AFAIC Luck has carried that team on his back his entire NFL career. Besides TY Hilton name me one player on offense that has made the pro bowl other than Luck. You are not going to convince 4merper4mer that Luck is a very good quarterback lol. 1
SouthNYfan Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, prissythecat said: You are not going to convince 4merper4mer that Luck is a very good quarterback lol. I'm starting to see that. Look, I know I'm pretty opinionated, and at times more adamant than I should be with my assessment of things, but Jesus Christ... This guy seems like he's an agent who Andrew Luck fired and now has a vendetta. I wonder if it's a girl that Andrew Luck wouldn't go to the junior prom with??
4merper4mer Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Where are you getting 8 years? He has been in the league for 4 full seasons, one half season, and one missed season. He was drafted in 2012. Manning barely had any years left in the tank when he left them, and his neck was a complete question mark. He played 3 great seasons with Denver, then his neck was done for by the last one. Worst division in the history of football? I guess he didn't beat anybody but his division. Division wasn't good, but to call them the worst in the history of football is absurd. 2012 the Texans were 12-4 2013 Luck beat both the broncos and Seahawks (you know, the legion of boom Superbowl champs that year) where he led them to 34 and 39 points against those teams. 2014 the Texans were 9-7, hardly "worst division ever" territory, and he went to the AFC championship game Your bias against luck is obvious. The fact that you don't think he was one of the top5 QBs in the game before his injury removes all credibility you have in regards to him. The 8 years includes 2 years plus of super hype while he was Stanford. Are you denying this happened? Do you think he has lived up to his status as greatest prospect in football history?
SouthNYfan Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: The 8 years includes 2 years plus of super hype while he was Stanford. Are you denying this happened? Do you think he has lived up to his status as greatest prospect in football history? I think he was well on his way there until the shoulder injury, which as it stands, is a complete unknown. He stepped into the NFL and performed at an elite level from year one. The fact that you act like he's been hot garbage is completely confusing.
RochesterRob Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Imagine if they traded Luck and then both Cleveland and the Giants picked QBs in front of them...they'd be trading a franchise QB for the 3rd QB in the class. It wouldn't be whichever QB he wants. Which is why, IMO, the trade of Luck wouldn't happen until--at the earliest--the Colts are on the clock. More likely, they'd make their pick (assuming the QB that they want is there), then trade Luck to someone else in time to make their other pick(s) in the first round. My feeling as well that the Colts will not doing anything until they are on the clock.
4merper4mer Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I think he was well on his way there until the shoulder injury, which as it stands, is a complete unknown. He stepped into the NFL and performed at an elite level from year one. The fact that you act like he's been hot garbage is completely confusing. Never said he was hot garbage....I said he hasn't lived up to his hype. Was the time Matt Hasselbeck replaced Luck and improved the Colts record considered pre injury or post injury? Which injuries are you counting?
Cruiserplayer Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Never said he was hot garbage....I said he hasn't lived up to his hype. Was the time Matt Hasselbeck replaced Luck and improved the Colts record considered pre injury or post injury? Which injuries are you counting? Should this trade be an easy sell to the Colts?Luck hasn’t lived up to his hype. Brissett on the other hand is better than we thought he would be. Maybe they should give us a draft pick to take him.
K D Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Imagine if they traded Luck and then both Cleveland and the Giants picked QBs in front of them...they'd be trading a franchise QB for the 3rd QB in the class. It wouldn't be whichever QB he wants. Which is why, IMO, the trade of Luck wouldn't happen until--at the earliest--the Colts are on the clock. More likely, they'd make their pick (assuming the QB that they want is there), then trade Luck to someone else in time to make their other pick(s) in the first round. that is what the discussions now could be around. "hypothetically, if we take a QB would you give us your 1st and a player for Luck?" they will want a deal in principle and then wait until the draft to make sure they get their guy. it's likely that someone could trade up and get that player before so of course they need to hold their cards close to the vest
BigBuff423 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) One issue I see with any team, be it Bills or someone else, with waiting until Colts are on the clock - and I agree that it would make sense for the Colts to do just that - is regarding the ability to actually have Luck take the physical. If Colts and let's say, Bills, wait until #3 is on the clock, and they trade Luck, then the Bills would presumably lose let's say, #21, Glenn, and 2nd this year, and a 3rd next year (just for the sake or argument)....then, Luck would need to pass a physical and meet the medical criteria the Bills believe is acceptable. If that's the case, that can't be done on the night of the Draft, so then what? Do the Bills four days later say to Colts, nope, Luck isn't good enough to go, give us all the picks and Glenn back. Your medical staff fouled this one up...?? At that point, obviously it's too late....and if the argument is, Well, Colts doctors say he's good to go, gave the records to the Bills and then the Bills doctors reviewed those records provided by the Colts.......but there's just so much wrong with that and it would still need to be done on that evening....I would HOPE the Bills would demand to review Luck themselves, along with the records and to test his shoulder by throwing / evaluating his motion at least before actually consummating the trade, i.e. the standard "must pass a physical" clause, but again that can't be done on Draft night. So, the only way this would make sense for any team, including the Bills, is: 1. Trade is done before the Draft, even if it is two days before but Bills' doctors and trainers were able to look at, poke, prod and review his shoulder and motion plus the records and interview him directly to see what he says 2. Trade the night of, but everything would have to be for 2019 picks or Day 2 / 3 picks....I sincerely hope the Bills are NOT dumb enough to try and trade for a guy who might not ever throw again the same way he did a few years ago, which is the version of Luck you'd be trading for..... Edited February 2, 2018 by BigBuff423
CritMark Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 43 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Jeez, Dude, the guy has only been in the NFL for 5 years now and he took that hapless Colts team to an 11-5 record in his first three seasons. I happen to agree that Luck is a top tier talent but I am afraid the 'hapless Colts' description may be a bit of revisionist history. In 2010 Manning led them to a 10-6 record. Without any Qb anyone would remember in 2011 with Manning out, they were indeed awful. Luck comes in in 2012 and restores order. The whole team did not fall apart the year before luck arrived, just the QB play. For those who forget: Kerry Collins - 3 games, 49.0% completions, 2 TD/1 Int and a rating of 65.9 Curtis Painter - 9 games, 54.3% completions, 5 TD/9 INT and a rating of 66.6 (that was the highest rating of his career, the other two years with very limited games 9.8 & 19.0 rating respectively) Dan Orlovsky - 8 games, 63.2% completions, 6 TD/4 INT and a rating of 82.4 (Also the highest rating of his career) Obviously some games w/multiple QBs but the point is, they were BAD. This was not a perpetually bad team, just a one year bump due to QB issues.
billsfan89 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 If the Colts want to trade Luck for a decent but not spectacular return (Let's say pick 21 and our 4th round pick this year plus a pick next year) I would stay the !@#$ away from that trade. The Colts wouldn't trade Luck away for such a low return unless he was damaged goods.
YoloinOhio Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If the Colts want to trade Luck for a decent but not spectacular return (Let's say pick 21 and our 4th round pick this year plus a pick next year) I would stay the !@#$ away from that trade. The Colts wouldn't trade Luck away for such a low return unless he was damaged goods. I tend to agree with that... but i also think there could be some push from Luck’s side to be traded (possibly) and don’t forget irsay is crazy Edited February 2, 2018 by YoloinOhio
Andrew Son Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: If the Colts want to trade Luck for a decent but not spectacular return (Let's say pick 21 and our 4th round pick this year plus a pick next year) I would stay the !@#$ away from that trade. The Colts wouldn't trade Luck away for such a low return unless he was damaged goods. I wouldn't assume the Colts know what they are doing. I mean they did trade us Hughes for Sheppard
26CornerBlitz Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I wouldn't assume the Colts know what they are doing. I mean they did trade us Hughes for Sheppard The GM who made that deal is long gone.
ndirish1978 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 What IS the procedure for trading a player during the draft if they fail their physical?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If the Colts want to trade Luck for a decent but not spectacular return (Let's say pick 21 and our 4th round pick this year plus a pick next year) I would stay the !@#$ away from that trade. The Colts wouldn't trade Luck away for such a low return unless he was damaged goods. What if it were, say, 21, 22, next year's 1st, and Glenn?
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