John from Riverside Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, joesixpack said: this would be an absolute catastrophic outcome, and would all but guarantee being a bottom-dwelling passing offense. It would depend on whether the rook could supplant tyrod....which could very well happen
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, John from Hemet said: It would depend on whether the rook could supplant tyrod....which could very well happen You're assuming a rookie. I'm not so sure it'll happen.
Jay_Fixit Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Be serious, my inbox has been overwhelmed lately but I certainly don't remember any PM's with you. Also my source was via text message on my phone (my guy deep in TX who reported the Gaine hiring and more recent info I shared). Clearly you do, as you’ve quoted me verbatim a few times. I hope you know that I’m messing around and I’m not really a source. Knock it off. Edited January 31, 2018 by Jay_Fixit
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: If the Bills wanted a guy, would they work out a trade before March? I don't pay attention to the contract-type stuff too much, but sometimes teams take action before the FA period, right? They may pay a little more for a guy they want. That's not how it works, GOAT. No trades are allowed between the trade deadline in November and the new league year in March (March 14th). That is also when FA starts. So if a guy is a pending FA (true of Bridgewater, Bradford, and Keenum), the only way to trade him is if his current team signs him to a contract extension now, and then trades him in the league new year. OK, so they'll do that, right? Well, notsofast. The reason teams give up picks or players in a trade vs. FA is that they want to be sure of the player - they don't want him to hit FA and be able to choose from multiple teams where they might lose out to a bidding war. But in the scenerio above, the only motivation the player would have to not test FA but re-up with his current team, would be if a deal is in place and he's certain he wants to go there, he doesn't want to test the FA waters and look for multiple bids - in which case, why wouldn't the new team just wait and sign him in FA?
ghostwriter Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 I'd give up a ton of draft picks for Darnold. 21, 22 a 2nd a 1st next year and Cordy Glenn to move up to #3 overall. Sign McCown and redshirt Darnold for a year.
Royale with Cheese Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Unkess we can trade him behind the scenes ala Smith. Here's why I think this is the case. 1. Cousins is not coming here. He will end up in Denver or NYC. 2. Cost to trade up will be too high. Especially if they aren't sold that one of these guys are the next elite AN. 3. We have more holes than qb. If we trade up we would put a rookie out there with a ****ty team and we know how that turns out. 4. Bradford and Bridgewater are NOT upgrades. Before wasting money on them we have to ask. Are they really better. Draft well...sign some people to plug holes and this team will make playoffs again and have more money and options next year for draft. That's my take... Bradford is absolutely an upgrade over Taylor. He was traded for a 1st round pick to the Vikings. A bit high but the Vikes were desperate. Do you think a team in a similar situation as MIN last year give up a 1st for Taylor?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Bradford is absolutely an upgrade over Taylor. He was traded for a 1st round pick to the Vikings. A bit high but the Vikes were desperate. Do you think a team in a similar situation as MIN last year give up a 1st for Taylor? If so, I'd do cartwheels in the nude.
JPP Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I don't think the Giants are going to pick a QB anymore. Browns are picking one at #1 (hopefully Allen) and then I think it's fair game on picks 2-4 for teams to trade up to get Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield. Giants will no doubt be picking a QB......Eli is on the tale end of his career
Yav Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 If todays posts are correct and Smith is a Redskin and Cousins is a Bronco what does that leave out there in FA? I don't think you throw money at Bridgewater and Bradford seems to be hurt more than health. Taylor in 2018 with a short leash and Peterman as his backup - buckle up everyone.
LeGOATski Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's not how it works, GOAT. No trades are allowed between the trade deadline in November and the new league year in March (March 14th). That is also when FA starts. So if a guy is a pending FA (true of Bridgewater, Bradford, and Keenum), the only way to trade him is if his current team signs him to a contract extension now, and then trades him in the league new year. OK, so they'll do that, right? Well, notsofast. The reason teams give up picks or players in a trade vs. FA is that they want to be sure of the player - they don't want him to hit FA and be able to choose from multiple teams where they might lose out to a bidding war. But in the scenerio above, the only motivation the player would have to not test FA but re-up with his current team, would be if a deal is in place and he's certain he wants to go there, he doesn't want to test the FA waters and look for multiple bids - in which case, why wouldn't the new team just wait and sign him in FA? Wouldn't the player's agent be talking to multiple teams already to gauge his FA value? If the deal is much better than his projected value and he likes the situation, wouldn't he be happy to sign that extension and be traded? Anyway, the bidding war for the Minn QBs will not be that intense. There's definitely good value there with the two younger guys.
Yav Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I've been looking for excuses to cancel it! You can find the games online, no need for Sunday ticket.
transplantbillsfan Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, JPP said: Giants will no doubt be picking a QB......Eli is on the tale end of his career Well... I don't think the Giants are going to pick a QB at #2 as of this moment... soooo, I guess I disagree with you. Sorry
LeGOATski Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Yav said: Taylor in 2018 with a short leash and Peterman as his backup - buckle up everyone. I might just leave the buckle off and let myself hit the windshield. Goodbye cruel world. 1
Lfod Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Boy... and I'm the guy made fun of for making bets here. What kind of money would you put on Tyrod not being on the Bills roster week 1 of the regular season? Well if we talking roster it would be different. I think he is a good back up. If we were talking Tyrod Taylor as the starter game one I would take that action hypothetically. Since I am a man of honor I would only bet what I could afford to pay, so I would say $100. If I was a rich man I would go a lot higher on that amount. In good fun, if non money bets we're allowed if I lost I would PM a picture of myself dressed in a way of the winners choosing holding a sign that said what the winner chose. The picture could be used for whatever the winner deemed necessary. I would also want the same if I was the winner. Now keep mind I'm not a complete Tyrod hater this is actually because I don't think he has any chance to be a starter next year. Edited January 31, 2018 by Lfod
JPP Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well... I don't think the Giants are going to pick a QB at #2 as of this moment... soooo, I guess I disagree with you. Sorry wanna place a bet...lol....kidding
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 My first thought after the Smith trade/deal is Tyrod's chances of staying here went from about 5% to 50%. Bridgewater, Keenum, or Bradford's price tag just went up because of that deal. Cousins will be the most over payed QB since Joe Flacco and there's no way we're getting him. Do we pick up somebody like Josh McCown and draft a QB? AJ McCarron? We may have to watch Taylor for another year folks. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Wouldn't the player's agent be talking to multiple teams already to gauge his FA value? If the deal is much better than his projected value and he likes the situation, wouldn't he be happy to sign that extension and be traded? Anyway, the bidding war for the Minn QBs will not be that intense. There's definitely good value there with the two younger guys. Officially, the agents are not allowed to talk to pending FA until the "tampering period" starting March 12. That is tampering. The team that owns the player's current rights CAN give permission to the player and his agent to talk to other teams. Once you sign a contract, nothing legal binds the other party to do what you've verbally agreed, nothing binds the new team to renegotiate. I'm sure really stunning cases of going back on one's word would result in a bad reputation, but there are a lot of details in the contract, so the player gives up legal protections by not waiting for FA and scrutinizing the actual contract he will play under and signing directly with his new team. What would motivate him to do that, just to make the team that is moving on from him happy? If the team offers a deal above his projected value now WITH giving up a something in trade, wouldn't they give him an even better deal WITHOUT giving up some thing in trade?
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) I still believe he wont be here but if he's under center I'll skip a season. no way am I going to watch him scramble around like a chicken with its head cut off and not be able to make the throws. 3 points in the wildcard game, 3. absolutely done with taylor. Edited January 31, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973 2
LeGOATski Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Officially, the agents are not allowed to talk to pending FA until the "tampering period" starting March 12. That is tampering. The team that owns the player's current rights CAN give permission to the player and his agent to talk to other teams. Once you sign a contract, nothing legal binds the other party to do what you've verbally agreed, nothing binds the new team to renegotiate. I'm sure really stunning cases of going back on one's word would result in a bad reputation, but there are a lot of details in the contract, so the player gives up legal protections by not waiting for FA and scrutinizing the actual contract he will play under and signing directly with his new team. What would motivate him to do that, just to make the team that is moving on from him happy? If the team offers a deal above his projected value now WITH giving up a something in trade, wouldn't they give him an even better deal WITHOUT giving up some thing in trade? No, not necessarily. Sometimes the team is giving up an asset in the trade that they're more than willing to part ways with (like Tyrod or maybe even Glenn or an extra draft pick). They move on from that asset and it makes the deal better for them, while Bridgewater (for example) is still getting a better money deal than he projects to get in FA, and also may feel he's getting a head start, rather than having to wait for the FA shenanigans to end.
Dr. Who Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Highly doubtful he will be back -- and high doubtful someone who starts with "hate to say it" actually does.
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