Should we throw Peterman on the trash heap for 1 bad outing?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

Charles Clay was WIDE OPEN on that play. Probably woulda went 50 or 60 yards 

I see a 5th round rookie QB backed inside the 10 who has been shell shocked the whole 1st Qtr. He had barely 2sec to pass the ball in the 1st Qtr and locked onto the WR. I would watch the 1st Qtr again, that play was one of maybe 3 times where he had time to throw the football. That little timer in Petermans head after that 1st Qtr was going off at 1.8 seconds, and he was inside the 10. 

[Lfod]

4 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

 

First dropped mic doesn't fit here lol

 

To your second post what if the guy playing for 7 years can play heart and soul and chopsticks and the new guy sits down and promptly pukes all over the piano?  Tyrod has demonstrated he can be a serviceable qb in this league.  Peterman has done NOTHING to show he can.  Tyrod isn't a world beater by any stretch and I think we all want better from the position.  Peterman isn't that guy though.

I don't know if I would call three 3 point games serviceable. If your defence can get you the ball back 13% of the time you punt it back to the opponent you shouldn't have 3 point games.

 

I guess we have different opinions on what a 7 year guy should be capable of. Especially when your defence was a turnover machine all year.

Edited January 31, 2018 by Lfod

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

41 minutes ago, Lfod said:

Honestly thank you for acknowledging this. People will pile on the Peterman for his 5 interception game then excuse Taylor and his 3 point games.

 

I think we can agree the two QBs are at very different stages of the game. One is a rookie and the other has been starting a few years. 

 

The anti Peterman crowd is most likely right. He most likely will not be anything special in the future. Does he get three years as a starter after learning behind the scenes for multiple years? Probably not. He was thrown right in. Then had to play back up even if he wasn't ready. 

 

I'll give you credit though because I've seen most anti Peterman people crap on him for one game and not say a peep and even defend Tyrod and his multiple embarrassments. It's one way or the other. They both suck or they should both get a grace year because the entire scheme sucked. 

 

 There is a difference between the two QBs and regardless if anyone wants to admit it or not, we should all have much higher expectations of Tyrod then we should Peterman. Tyrod has had time behind the scenes and on the field and Peterman has not. So in my book Tyrod and his 3 point games is a way bigger embarrassment to the team than Peterman and his one 5 interception game. Except Peterman hasn't had repeat 5 interception games. Tyrod had had multiple 3 point games this season.

 

Who has a bigger chance to learn and grow from the game? A guy who's been several years in the league on and off the field or the guy who has been in it one year and not even a full game played.

 

*Drops mic

 

Welp....He would have played two full games if he wasn’t  completing all his passes to the other team and diving head first into would-be tacklers....

 

now the mic drop is appropriate 

Edited January 31, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Lfod]

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If someone has no musical skills they can practice piano for ten years and still be terrible. 

Well I can't argue that some people just have natural talents for things. I wouldn't doubt in some situations a naturally gifted person could become better in a shorter time then a person who practiced and just wasn't gonna be a Mozart.

 

I'm just saying I would have a lot higher expectations from a guy that says he's been practicing piano for 6 or 7 more years then a guy that just started yesterday.

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Welp....He would have played two full games if he wasn’t  completing all his passes to the other team and diving head first into would-be tacklers....

 

now the mic drop is appropriate 

I get what your saying but your not seeing my point. First I agreed that chances are he won't be special. I actually did say that. I just said people have strict expectations of him while defending a vet that puts up multiple 3 point games. Just saying. If your not a big Tyrod excuse maker then it wasn't meant for you if you just don't like Peterman. Also I gave the dude credit for acknowledging something others won't.

Edited January 31, 2018 by Lfod

[section122]

Just now, Lfod said:

I don't know if I would call three 3 point games serviceable. If your defence can get you the ball back 13% of the time you punt it back to the opponent you shouldn't have 3 point games.

 

Is Russell Wilson serviceable? In 2016 he had a 3,5,and 6 point game.

 

Is everyone's favorite ginger Andy Dalton serviceable?  He had 3 7 point games and a 0 point game

 

I don't want to keep digging but there are many more examples.  After watching the offense score points in 2015 and 2016 with TT at the helm I put a lot of the failure on Dennison.  I also want to point out that even with how much worse the offense was at scoring points this year it still outscored teams qbed by Derek Carr, Eli Manning, and Andy Dalton among others.  So yes he is indeed serviceable and still a top 20ish qb in the league.  Regardless of how badly people hate him he is certainly a low end starter level qb in this league.  Peterman on the other hand is even a low end back up at this point.

[Lfod]

3 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Is Russell Wilson serviceable? In 2016 he had a 3,5,and 6 point game.

 

Is everyone's favorite ginger Andy Dalton serviceable?  He had 3 7 point games and a 0 point game

 

I don't want to keep digging but there are many more examples.  After watching the offense score points in 2015 and 2016 with TT at the helm I put a lot of the failure on Dennison.  I also want to point out that even with how much worse the offense was at scoring points this year it still outscored teams qbed by Derek Carr, Eli Manning, and Andy Dalton among others.  So yes he is indeed serviceable and still a top 20ish qb in the league.  Regardless of how badly people hate him he is certainly a low end starter level qb in this league.  Peterman on the other hand is even a low end back up at this point.

Then your biased. You will make every excuse to for Tyrod but then when it comes to Peterman it's all his fault and the rookie isn't allowed to have a bad start because Dennison only made Tyrod suck and not Peterman. Did all those guys put up average numbers when the defense they played for took the ball away from opponents 13% of the time they touched the ball offensively? 

Edited January 31, 2018 by Lfod

[Andy1]

The odds are stacked against the kid, just like they are against every 5th round QB pick. With that said, no-one knows how he will turn out. The safe bet is he will wash out but he wouldn't be the 1st one to beat the odds to become a decent starter. I hope he proves people wrong, but I don't want the future of the Bills to rest on hope alone. They must find someone else too. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Joe Webb

 

But will we keep his package?

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But will we keep his package?

 

If he's married or has a GF I hope so for his sake. 

[section122]

8 minutes ago, Lfod said:

Then your biased. You will make every excuse to for Tyrod but then when it comes to Peterman it's all his fault and the rookie isn't allowed to have a good start because Dennison only made Tyrod suck and not Peterman.

 

I'm biased?  I absolutely prefer Tyrod to Peterman.  So I guess?

 

Let me put it to you this way:  I work in HR so I do a lot of hiring.  If I hire someone that comes into work and they do alright but I know I can get better I will look to work with them and improve their skills until I think they are maxed out (this is where we are at with Tyrod).  If someone comes in and is an absolute train wreck of an employee I move on from them.  Sometimes it takes a year to make that decision, sometimes 6 months, sometimes 1 month, sometime 1 week.  If Peterman came in and threw for 150 yards, 2 ints, and 0 tds I wouldn't feel this strongly.  He didn't.  He literally set a record for how bad his performance was.  He wasn't just kind of bad he was in the history of the nfl bad.  Why should the Bills invest any more in him?  

 

In my mind every one on the team should be there (including Peterman) until they prove that they don't belong or someone beats him out.  Keep Peterman and hell keep Taylor until we have a better option at QB.   Hopefully that is this year!

 

edit:  I see you added the part about defenses and yes Seattle's defense carried them to the Super Bowl twice and Wilson rode coat tails.  Now that he is the big money focus the team hasn't enjoyed the same success.  He won a playoff game throwing for 103 yards!!!

Edited January 31, 2018 by section122
Wilson piece

[Tcali]

I dont mind rookies making horrible plays. what I do mind are rookies showing zero flashes of brilliance. It was horror,mediocrity, horror ,mediocrity.Therein lies the problem.

[grb]

58 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I've already seen Taylor play with 3 better than average WR's that all left and put up better numbers. I already know what Taylor is as a QB, I just wish Peterman had the chance to play with Woods, Watkins and Goodwin.

 

Their are big question about every rookie QB especially a 5th rd rookie that a HC thought could play better than Taylor. I'm not sure what the future holds for Peterman but Im pretty sure he will be in TC and Pre season fighting for a roster spot.

 

Taylor's stats over two years whenever he had Watkins and Woods on the field : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs

So you've "already seen" exactly what......? 

I get the impression what you think you saw isn't in the same universe as what actually happened......

[Lfod]

39 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I'm biased?  I absolutely prefer Tyrod to Peterman.  So I guess?

 

Let me put it to you this way:  I work in HR so I do a lot of hiring.  If I hire someone that comes into work and they do alright but I know I can get better I will look to work with them and improve their skills until I think they are maxed out (this is where we are at with Tyrod).  If someone comes in and is an absolute train wreck of an employee I move on from them.  Sometimes it takes a year to make that decision, sometimes 6 months, sometimes 1 month, sometime 1 week.  If Peterman came in and threw for 150 yards, 2 ints, and 0 tds I wouldn't feel this strongly.  He didn't.  He literally set a record for how bad his performance was.  He wasn't just kind of bad he was in the history of the nfl bad.  Why should the Bills invest any more in him?  

 

In my mind every one on the team should be there (including Peterman) until they prove that they don't belong or someone beats him out.  Keep Peterman and hell keep Taylor until we have a better option at QB.   Hopefully that is this year!

When I say what I do it sounds harsh. I respect Tyrod a lot. I've listed a few times specific things he's done on and off the field that I love. I would also agree that he is better then Nate Peterman. He should be better. It's a sad day for a guy if he's beat out by a first year rookie when he's had more time to strengthen his craft. When they pulled Nate Peterman I didn't question it. It was as brutal as you can get. 

 

So yes I have higher expectations of Tyrod then I ever would Nate Peterman. I would hold him more accountable. If Tyrod is the starting QB next year then I'll shut up with my criticism and root for him just like I did this year. My doubt was there but I have not voiced my opinion this strongly at all until the year was over. 

 

I think Tyrod can get better. I think Peterman could get better. I wouldn't just shut down any possibility. I think Tyrod made some mistakes and I think Peterman made mistakes. Ones a rookie and ones a solidified 3 year starter. 

 

Honestly I think if you took them both and blended them together you might have something. Either give me a Tyrod that takes more risks. I'll understand the interceptions if it comes with more passing TDs. Give me a Peterman who doesn't take so many risks. I'll deal with it looking a bit boring and managed without the crazy interceptions. 

 

I was at a point I would rather see Tyrod just force it man. Quit playing so safe because it isn't winning games. If your behind and the clocks ticking force that ball in there then I'll respect the outcome even if it's bad. I got tired of him dropping his posture and throwing it away. That's just giving up. Peterman sucked but I don't think you ever see his body language just say screw it I give up. Even after interception #4 he was still keeping his posture up. 

 

I saw the Jags read his body language. They knew Tyrod wasn't gonna make any risky moves so they went in for the kill and took him out of the game. Even they felt disrespected by the lack of effort and put dude on his head. They wanted the next man up because they were getting bored and so was I. 

Edited January 31, 2018 by Lfod

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..well, the 5th ROUND PICK did have minis, OTA's, some pre-season work, ONE start and some mop up duty which is a TBD "career" by definition.....his bandwagon already has one wheel and it's leaking.....WELCOME NATE...better start packin'....hell there was even a thread that declared the "Peterman Era" over........the TBD "One & Done Gang" rolls out the pigeon stained red carpet.......go figure...............

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

First off, I don't think that starting him at an away game was the best decision, Plus, he got no help from the offensive line. On at least a couple of the interceptions he was hit as he was releasing the ball.

 

Peterman was clearly brought in because Taylor wasn't throwing the ball downfield. Consequently he overcompensated and should have the eaten the ball in a couple of cases where he tried to make plays.

 

I'll reserve judgment on Peterman until the Bills strengthen the offensive line.

I would not say "throw away" so much as "wait and see" and "double down"

 

There are a lot of things I like about Peterman.....and I dont hold his disaster 1st start against him he was a rookie.

 

Competition is always good.....and he needs to beat out competition that has a much higher pedigree in my opinion.

 

He is a bill....why NOT root for him?

[Steptide]

59 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I see a 5th round rookie QB backed inside the 10 who has been shell shocked the whole 1st Qtr. He had barely 2sec to pass the ball in the 1st Qtr and locked onto the WR. I would watch the 1st Qtr again, that play was one of maybe 3 times where he had time to throw the football. That little timer in Petermans head after that 1st Qtr was going off at 1.8 seconds, and he was inside the 10. 

I'm not disagreeing with you. It was a rookie mistake. Sadly he even looked clays way, but I think it was more to try and confuse the defense. I think that was a designed play and the ball was always going that way 

[Batman1876]

Let him throw himself on the trash heap. At least then he’d end up with the chargers. 

Edited January 31, 2018 by Batman1876

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, John from Hemet said:

I would not say "throw away" so much as "wait and see" and "double down"

 

There are a lot of things I like about Peterman.....and I dont hold his disaster 1st start against him he was a rookie.

 

Competition is always good.....and he needs to beat out competition that has a much higher pedigree in my opinion.

 

He is a bill....why NOT root for him?

 

...you obviously forgot where you are....by thread proclamation, the "Peterman ERA is over".......

 

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[Kelly the Dog]

47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But will we keep his package?

What can Brown do for you?

[ndirish1978]

I don't get the hype around this below average QB. He's a fifth rounder who didn't show much. Why is there a small vocal contingent on this board extolling his virtues?