Wily Dog Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe my memory is foggy but I don’t remember people having this irrational confidence in Tuel or Brohm or Levi Brown or Gibran Hamdan? If a guy can’t play he can’t play. It’s not that anyone writing him off too early. It works the other way with late round picks and UDFA (at all positions). They have to EARN their spot on the roster. Some guys like Jabari Greer run with the opportunity. The overwhelming majority get turned over after a brief look. When teams come to the conclusion that a guy can’t contribute they try to replace them with someone that can. I know @section122 went through a bunch of recent 5th rounders that didn’t work out. That’s the way that it happens. It’s not that the guy is being treated unfairly. He’s getting the same treatment that Zebrie Sanders got, a look, a chance and then try to fend off the new guy. I just read a blurb today that three of the Eagles were UDFA or low round picks who were discarded and are now integral parts of the Patriots. Be careful what you wish for
grb Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 46 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: It's called Derek Carr syndrome, the O-Line was pissed that they benched Taylor and put in zero effort. I wonder if maybe they were mad because Peterman didn't kneel for the anthem? Two points : I wonder where all these conspiracy theories were after the Thursday nite Jets game, where the o-line play was just as bad. "didn't kneel, etc, etc" Gee, I wonder where that came from.......
Prickly Pete Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 12 hours ago, Sky Diver said: First off, I don't think that starting him at an away game was the best decision, Plus, he got no help from the offensive line. On at least a couple of the interceptions he was hit as he was releasing the ball. Peterman was clearly brought in because Taylor wasn't throwing the ball downfield. Consequently he overcompensated and should have the eaten the ball in a couple of cases where he tried to make plays. I'll reserve judgment on Peterman until the Bills strengthen the offensive line. Honestly, he blows. He is nothing special, and is Just A Guy. He is just another Jeff Tuel. He isn't even a Thaddeus (I can't even remember the guy's last name). I realize that QB is a big subject here, but wringing your hands over Peterman is ridiculous. I don't care what they do with him, just keep him off the field, during the season. Maybe have him toss the ball around to WR's during practice, get water for the starter, cheer on the team from the sideline, you know that kind of sht.
NoSaint Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe my memory is foggy but I don’t remember people having this irrational confidence in Tuel or Brohm or Levi Brown or Gibran Hamdan? If a guy can’t play he can’t play. It’s not that anyone writing him off too early. It works the other way with late round picks and UDFA (at all positions). They have to EARN their spot on the roster. Some guys like Jabari Greer run with the opportunity. The overwhelming majority get turned over after a brief look. When teams come to the conclusion that a guy can’t contribute they try to replace them with someone that can. I know @section122 went through a bunch of recent 5th rounders that didn’t work out. That’s the way that it happens. It’s not that the guy is being treated unfairly. He’s getting the same treatment that Zebrie Sanders got, a look, a chance and then try to fend off the new guy. I’m sure that it was a big conspiracy to get Peterman killed. Ha ha, that’s why the Petermaniacs get challenged. “It’s probably not that Peterman sucks. It’s probably a giant conspiracy by the offensive lineman to get him pressured. They wanted to lose the game.” Only thing I’ll push back on is the fact that I remember A LOT of tuel lovers here. Backup qb is the most popular guy situation... but otherwise totally agree 1
Kirby Jackson Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, Wily Dog said: I just read a blurb today that three of the Eagles were UDFA or low round picks who were discarded and are now integral parts of the Patriots. Be careful what you wish for The Patriots are loaded with guys like that: Hogan, Edelman, Butler, Amendola, Lewis, White, etc... The big difference is that those guys EARNED a chance. I used Jabari Greer earlier because it’s the same thing. Jason Peters, Kyle Williams, Pat Williams and Fred Jackson are a few more. The Bills have had, and continue to have, guys that were taken late that contribute. Matt Milano looks like the next guy to be drafted late and be a good player. The caveat is that they played well when given the opportunity. That’s where it differs from Zebrie Sanders or Johnny White. The guys that succeed aren’t the majority. 22 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Only thing I’ll push back on is the fact that I remember A LOT of tuel lovers here. Backup qb is the most popular guy situation... but otherwise totally agree Ha ha, I always kind of liked Tuel!! I was never advocating for him to be the starter but I was fine with him on the roster. I probably liked him more than I should have. He was a much worse player than I thought.
Wily Dog Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Patriots are loaded with guys like that: Hogan, Edelman, Butler, Amendola, Lewis, White, etc... The big difference is that those guys EARNED a chance. I used Jabari Greer earlier because it’s the same thing. Jason Peters, Kyle Williams, Pat Williams and Fred Jackson are a few more. The Bills have had, and continue to have, guys that were taken late that contribute. Matt Milano looks like the next guy to be drafted late and be a good player. The caveat is that they played well when given the opportunity. That’s where it differs from Zebrie Sanders or Johnny White. The guys that succeed aren’t the majority. No, i will give you that but they failed first for their teams and got a chance with another team.In the case of Peters , a position change was all it took.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wily Dog said: No, i will give you that but they failed first for their teams and got a chance with another team.In the case of Peters , a position change was all it took. Peters was a different case for sure. He was this freak athlete that had no position. He now is probably a HOFer. He is basically Mike Jasper that can play football. Who failed on their first team that is now flourishing in Philly? I’m not trying to be antagonistic I legitimately don’t know. Just from eyeballing their depth chart it looks like they are playing a couple of late round guys but they drafted them or signed them to big deals. Other than that it is mostly early picks.
MarkyMannn Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: All the NFL experts on this board would toss him out and sign our Savior Kurt "overpaid" Cousins to a BIG Fat Cap killing contract. Trash Are you seriously putting NP and Cousins in the same sentence? LOL
Ol Dirty B Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Throw him away. The guy wasn't a first round pick and passed over by every team multiple times for a reason. He sucks, goodbye.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What hype? Oh come on SBF. You read this board. You know very well what hype. 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: C’mon man. Snow games don’t count and garbage time doesn’t count unless he throws an interception. Who is saying he’s THE guy? other than Savior and xRushx? I really don't want to go back and read through that SP thread,but I counted roughly 10 posters saying something like "they would be OK with going into next season with Peterman as the QB". That doesn't count Savior and xRushx who I have blocked, and Billsredneck1. 2 hours ago, Wily Dog said: Joey Bosa saying on two occasions " they didn't block me" He was amazed !! and i believe the coaches were too. I haven't heard this mentioned on the board since it happened and was instrumental in the interceptions that Nate through when he was hit I have not seen Eric Wood's comment on Nate 's progress with the team in practice, just before the playoff game, either. It was discussed pretty thoroughly at the time though. I did not hear 2 occasions - there was one. Wood said he snapped the ball on the wrong count that play therefore Mills wasn't ready to block. There was also some tech discussion of blocking assignments and positioning etc. But you know, if there's something you feel should be being discussed, nothing stopping you digging up the quotes, links, etc and bringing it into the discussion. Edited February 1, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
Ol Dirty B Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Wily Dog said: I just read a blurb today that three of the Eagles were UDFA or low round picks who were discarded and are now integral parts of the Patriots. Be careful what you wish for Who are these guys?
billsfan89 Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) I wouldn't trash him just yet, but I would completely demote him to a 3rd string QB. Draft a young QB, let Tyrod handle the position for one more season (Unless a real upgrade could be had in a realistic manner,) and have Peterman be the third string QB and make him earn his spot in camp against a 7th round pick or undrafted free agent. Peterman has given you nothing to really impress you other than some pre-season snaps, so why give him any sort of protected spot on the roster. Edited February 1, 2018 by billsfan89 1
Ol Dirty B Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Where would you cap things? If one game is enough to cut a guy, why not one half? One quarter? How about the minute you make a bad play you get cut? If anyone earned the right to be cut after a few plays, a quarter, or half. It was Peterman. He was awful. The only reason he will be around for another year or two is because their is absolutely no advantage in cutting him.
reddogblitz Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 18 hours ago, Doc said: There is absolutely no reason to cut Peterman anytime before final cutdowns. True. Every team needs a camp arm. 18 hours ago, DCOrange said: Peterman is what the Practice Squad was invented for. I'd rather re sign Joe Webb III than keep Nasty Nate as 3rd string.
Domdab99 Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 No reason to cut him. Perfectly serviceable back up. On a rookie contract.
JM57 Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 No reason to cut him, but I do not, at all, understand the hope that some people here have for this kid. What is it about a 5th round pick with arm strength concerns that gets you going? Sell me on him without mentioning Tyrod Taylor because he won't be on this team next year and has nothing to do with Nathan Peterman.
HOUSE Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) I would hope the fans are wiser then this If this is a path the Bills would take, please don't draft anymore QB's Edited February 1, 2018 by HOUSE
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh come on SBF. You read this board. You know very well what hype. I really don't want to go back and read through that SP thread,but I counted roughly 10 posters saying something like "they would be OK with going into next season with Peterman as the QB". That doesn't count Savior and xRushx who I have blocked, and Billsredneck1. I guess it's how one reads it. I think it can be taken a number of ways. "they would be OK with going into next season with Peterman as the QB". Does that mean that they think he's a franchise guy? Does that mean that they think he will improve and be a good QB? Does that mean that they think he's anyone but Taylor? The caveat is "what else does Beane and McDermott do to improve the QB situation". I want to give each and every new player a chance to prove them self and not judge them too harshly too soon. Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
PaattMaann Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 He has a baby arm, sucks under pressure and is ugly. I wish we would clean the QB room completely and start from scratch there. Peterman is not the answer.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: He has a baby arm, sucks under pressure and is ugly. I wish we would clean the QB room completely and start from scratch there. Peterman is not the answer. why not be all inclusive? Peterman is not the answer. Taylor is not the answer. Webb is not the answer.
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