JohnC Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'm not comparing the two at all. Hence the reason I didn't mention Taylor's name once or make any inference. The point is that Taylor isn't a running quarterback, he's a quarterback who can run. He's likely not good enough a quarterback to be a franchise guy but he is an NFL starter, or at least the best backup in the league. The real point was, however, that having a QB that can also run is a great thing to have as long as he is a good thrower as well. You don't only need to be a dropback guy, which is what you were inferring. You want a QB to be able to be a QB from the pocket. That is true. However, a guy is even better if he can also run. I have never stated that because Taylor can run it is a disqualifier. Of course it would be foolish to make that claim. And of course having a qb who can run and throw well would be ideal. No one can dispute that Taylor is a good runner. But what is evident for the past number of years is that he is not a good passer, and will never be. He has started for three full years with little progression to his game. He is what he is, and will always be. You and are in accord that Taylor is not a franchise qb, and will never be. On the other hand you may consider him an NFL starter but I don't. In my view Taylor could be a good backup and a change of pace qb. But I don't consider him to be a starting caliber qb, at least for a team that has some aspirations. In my opinion the best thing that could happen to Taylor is to go to another team and get a fresh start. Also, it is my opinion that the best thing for this franchise is to move on from him and get a fresh start at that position. Taylor is a high character guy who deserves to be in a better situation. It is not with Buffalo.
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: You keep Peterman because he is young and has some potential. I've watched that Chargers game over 20 times on the DVR. I saw a rookie 5th rd QB that was pressured more than any QB that I can remember. Taylor should be sending Peterman a gift basket because against that D-Line and Lynns knowledge of Taylor I think Taylor would've had his worst outing yet. Don't you think there's a reason that Peterman was pressured more than any QB than you can remember? Did that defensive strategy pay off? Did the same strategy work for Jaguars (despite Peterman having 2 months of reflection after his first game?)
Kelly the Dog Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, GG said: Don't you think there's a reason that Peterman was pressured more than any QB than you can remember? Did that defensive strategy pay off? Did the same strategy work for Jaguars (despite Peterman having 2 months of reflection after his first game?) He's got a rag arm and doesn't react well to pressure. What's not to like? 1
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: Don't you think there's a reason that Peterman was pressured more than any QB than you can remember? Did that defensive strategy pay off? Did the same strategy work for Jaguars (despite Peterman having 2 months of reflection after his first game?) Yes the reason is our O-Line sucks at pass pro and KB got injured on the first play leaving Peterman with no O-Line and no offensive weapons. I'm not saying Peterman is on the level of even Alex Smith but he is young and has potential. I will be using a wait and see type approach with Peterman. He will have TC and pre season to prove his worth to the Bills coaching staff. I find it very hard to evaluate Peterman from the 3 crazy games he play in. I wish Taylor would've started in that Chargers game.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Yes the reason is our O-Line sucks at pass pro and KB got injured on the first play leaving Peterman with no O-Line and no offensive weapons. I'm not saying Peterman is on the level of even Alex Smith but he is young and has potential. I will be using a wait and see type approach with Peterman. He will have TC and pre season to prove his worth to the Bills coaching staff. I find it very hard to evaluate Peterman from the 3 crazy games he play in. I wish Taylor would've started in that Chargers game. No reason to make excuses for him. He was ATROCIOUS. It isn’t because he was thrust into a bad situation. He played with the same “weapons,” OL and coach as Taylor. That doesn’t mean that either played well but we know you wouldn’t say that Taylor struggled because of OL, coaching or lack of playmakers. Why give Peterman the benefit of the doubt but not Taylor? The reality is is there were big question marks about his physical skills coming out. That’s why he was the 171st pick!! The Bills even passed on him 4 times. This isn’t some guy that was a star. He was an extreme long shot and has already been given more of an opportunity than most 5th rounders. There’s no reason to pray that he suddenly gets accuracy and arm strength. His flaws coming out that made him pick 171 are the same flaws that made him a disaster on the field. 1
Steptide Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Charles Clay was WIDE OPEN on that play. Probably woulda went 50 or 60 yards 1
Dorkington Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Nope, but I'm also not expecting him to turn into a starter anytime soon, like most mid to late round QBs. He could still develop, who knows. We need to draft a guy, and either keep Tyrod, or get another vet QB heading into next season.
Captain Murica Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Steptide said: Charles Clay was WIDE OPEN on that play. Probably woulda went 50 or 60 yards Holy balls... That is the equivalent of when Tyrod didn't look at Bobby Woods's way during the Baltimore opener two seasons ago which would've went for 6.
zow2 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 It's dumb to throw him on the scrap heap. Let's see if the game slows down for him in year 2. It probably will. He learned some rough lessons, he will be better prepared for when he should eat it and which throws to stay away from. He threw some nice passes during the Indy snow game and probably would have led the team to a win. Then he got hurt and that was that. I'm not saying he should start, but I want to see if he can be a legit QB and not some punchline.
Lfod Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: No reason to make excuses for him. He was ATROCIOUS. It isn’t because he was thrust into a bad situation. He played with the same “weapons,” OL and coach as Taylor. That doesn’t mean that either played well but we know you wouldn’t say that Taylor struggled because of OL, coaching or lack of playmakers. Why give Peterman the benefit of the doubt but not Taylor? The reality is is there were big question marks about his physical skills coming out. That’s why he was the 171st pick!! The Bills even passed on him 4 times. This isn’t some guy that was a star. He was an extreme long shot and has already been given more of an opportunity than most 5th rounders. There’s no reason to pray that he suddenly gets accuracy and arm strength. His flaws coming out that made him pick 171 are the same flaws that made him a disaster on the field. Honestly thank you for acknowledging this. People will pile on the Peterman for his 5 interception game then excuse Taylor and his 3 point games. I think we can agree the two QBs are at very different stages of the game. One is a rookie and the other has been starting a few years. The anti Peterman crowd is most likely right. He most likely will not be anything special in the future. Does he get three years as a starter after learning behind the scenes for multiple years? Probably not. He was thrown right in. Then had to play back up even if he wasn't ready. I'll give you credit though because I've seen most anti Peterman people crap on him for one game and not say a peep and even defend Tyrod and his multiple embarrassments. It's one way or the other. They both suck or they should both get a grace year because the entire scheme sucked. There is a difference between the two QBs and regardless if anyone wants to admit it or not, we should all have much higher expectations of Tyrod then we should Peterman. Tyrod has had time behind the scenes and on the field and Peterman has not. So in my book Tyrod and his 3 point games is a way bigger embarrassment to the team than Peterman and his one 5 interception game. Except Peterman hasn't had repeat 5 interception games. Tyrod had had multiple 3 point games this season. Who has a bigger chance to learn and grow from the game? A guy who's been several years in the league on and off the field or the guy who has been in it one year and not even a full game played. *Drops mic Edited January 31, 2018 by Lfod
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: No reason to make excuses for him. He was ATROCIOUS. It isn’t because he was thrust into a bad situation. He played with the same “weapons,” OL and coach as Taylor. That doesn’t mean that either played well but we know you wouldn’t say that Taylor struggled because of OL, coaching or lack of playmakers. Why give Peterman the benefit of the doubt but not Taylor? The reality is is there were big question marks about his physical skills coming out. That’s why he was the 171st pick!! The Bills even passed on him 4 times. This isn’t some guy that was a star. He was an extreme long shot and has already been given more of an opportunity than most 5th rounders. There’s no reason to pray that he suddenly gets accuracy and arm strength. His flaws coming out that made him pick 171 are the same flaws that made him a disaster on the field. I've already seen Taylor play with 3 better than average WR's that all left and put up better numbers. I already know what Taylor is as a QB, I just wish Peterman had the chance to play with Woods, Watkins and Goodwin. Their are big question about every rookie QB especially a 5th rd rookie that a HC thought could play better than Taylor. I'm not sure what the future holds for Peterman but Im pretty sure he will be in TC and Pre season fighting for a roster spot.
prissythecat Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Lfod said: .... There is a difference between the two QBs and regardless if anyone wants to admit it or not, we should all have much higher expectations of Tyrod then we should Peterman. Tyrod has had time behind the scenes and on the field and Peterman has not. So in my book Tyrod and his 3 point games is a way bigger embarrassment to the team than Peterman and his one 5 interception game. Except Peterman hasn't had repeat 5 interception games. Tyrod had had multiple 3 point games this season. .... *Drops mic So spotting the opponents 35 points via turnovers is better than scoring points (admittedly few points but still..) ? o.O Edited January 31, 2018 by prissythecat
section122 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Wily Dog said: The Nate haters love this. I just want to tell them ,you are off base in most of you diatribes against Nate and are blinded by your affection for Taylor. I used to be a Taylor guy too, but after three dismal years , gave up. I believe that Nate will be given a chance in camp to start. I also believe that McD/Beane will draft a QB, not sure where but I will trust their judgement. I will trust the Process, as the Nate haters seem to be at odds with. This of course is IMO. I tried to make it through this thread without reacting. I failed. I did make it almost through 2 pages though which is something.... Nope not blinded by affection for Taylor. That was some of the worst quarterbacking I have ever witnessed. Worse than Fitz at the end of a close game, worse than EJ in London, worse than 56 yards passing the week before. Don't forget he fumbled multiple snaps as well. He just isn't good. There is no shame in not being good enough at QB to play in the league. There aren't even 32 guys in the world that can do it effectively. Further he was a 5th round pick for crying out loud. Did anyone care Cyril Richardson didn't get more than a couple of games? How about Zebrie Sanders or Tank Carder? Tank didn't even make it through preseason! Johnny White at rb remember him? Yeah me neither also a 5th rounder just 7 years ago. The odds were stacked against him and it didn't work out. Most of the Peterman support seems to come from Tyrod bashers. I keep saying it but you don't have to like Peterman because you don't like Taylor. It is hilarious that "only 3 ints in that Chargers game were his fault" is not only used but oft repeated. Like only throwing 3 ints in 1 half is any sort of good/ok. Peterman doesn't belong in the league. One of many millions of people that this statement is true for. He got his shot and failed spectacularly. In 5 years the only reason we will remember that he started a game is because of how atrocious it was. Jeff Freaking Tuel played better in his start and never got another shot. Keep him on the roster until someone better can take his place but that bar, to me, is incredibly low.
Lfod Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, prissythecat said: So spotting the opponents 35 points via turnovers is better than scoring points (admittedly few points but still..) ? o.O I explained my reasoning. One should be held to higher expectations because of time invested in the game. If I practice Piano for 7 years and you for one I should be a lot better correct?
Kirby Jackson Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 24 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I've already seen Taylor play with 3 better than average WR's that all left and put up better numbers. I already know what Taylor is as a QB, I just wish Peterman had the chance to play with Woods, Watkins and Goodwin. Their are big question about every rookie QB especially a 5th rd rookie that a HC thought could play better than Taylor. I'm not sure what the future holds for Peterman but Im pretty sure he will be in TC and Pre season fighting for a roster spot. I’d agree that he is here this offseason battling for a roster spot. I don’t expect him to make the team but it’s possible. I apologize if I misinterpreted your stance. I was under the impression that you believed he was a viable starting option moving forward.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Lfod said: I explained my reasoning. One should be held to higher expectations because of time invested in the game. If I practice Piano for 7 years and you for one I should be a lot better correct? If someone has no musical skills they can practice piano for ten years and still be terrible.
section122 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, Lfod said: Honestly thank you for acknowledging this. People will pile on the Peterman for his 5 interception game then excuse Taylor and his 3 point games. I think we can agree the two QBs are at very different stages of the game. One is a rookie and the other has been starting a few years. The anti Peterman crowd is most likely right. He most likely will not be anything special in the future. Does he get three years as a starter after learning behind the scenes for multiple years? Probably not. He was thrown right in. Then had to play back up even if he wasn't ready. I'll give you credit though because I've seen most anti Peterman people crap on him for one game and not say a peep and even defend Tyrod and his multiple embarrassments. It's one way or the other. They both suck or they should both get a grace year because the entire scheme sucked. There is a difference between the two QBs and regardless if anyone wants to admit it or not, we should all have much higher expectations of Tyrod then we should Peterman. Tyrod has had time behind the scenes and on the field and Peterman has not. So in my book Tyrod and his 3 point games is a way bigger embarrassment to the team than Peterman and his one 5 interception game. Except Peterman hasn't had repeat 5 interception games. Tyrod had had multiple 3 point games this season. Who has a bigger chance to learn and grow from the game? A guy who's been several years in the league on and off the field or the guy who has been in it one year and not even a full game played. *Drops mic 1 minute ago, Lfod said: I explained my reasoning. One should be held to higher expectations because of time invested in the game. If I practice Piano for 7 years and you for one I should be a lot better correct? First dropped mic doesn't fit here lol To your second post what if the guy playing for 7 years can play heart and soul and chopsticks and the new guy sits down and promptly pukes all over the piano? Tyrod has demonstrated he can be a serviceable qb in this league. Peterman has done NOTHING to show he can. Tyrod isn't a world beater by any stretch and I think we all want better from the position. Peterman isn't that guy though.
Matt_In_NH Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Quote I trust the coaches opinion and will just let them play it out. His performance was really bad for my eyes and I personally don't hold out hope for him but I am just a random fan. If he was waived I would lose 0 sleep.
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