SouthNYfan Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:44 PM, Mojo44 said: Remember this post when Smith is winning 11 or 12 games with the Redskins well cousins flops at mile high. Winning is the ultimate stat! Expand Redskins go 7-9
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:44 PM, ScottLaw said: If only the Bills didn't pass on QBs in last years draft yet again. They had their chance at Mahomes and Watson. They passed as the franchise always does at the QB position. Expand Watson showed promise. Mahomes didn't do anything. I could see 1 star from a draft calss, not 2. Sure you could cite Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota , but have either shown themselves to be a star yet?
SouthNYfan Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:48 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: Watson showed promise. Mahomes didn't do anything. I could see 1 star from a draft calss, not 2. Sure you could cite Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota , but have either shown themselves to be a star yet? Expand Winston and Marcus weren't last year...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) On 1/31/2018 at 2:48 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: Watson showed promise. Mahomes didn't do anything. I could see 1 star from a draft calss, not 2. Sure you could cite Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota , but have either shown themselves to be a star yet? Expand I love Tre White, but (and hindsight not included) I loved Watson and would have taken him at 10. Loved him and I didn't agree with the neigh-sayers on him. I am rarely right, case in point as I used to always pick celery to win at Bisons games...but I believe I was, and shall continue, to be right about Watson. Edited January 31, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1
Castellar Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 As we all expected, jets reported to be one of the top players in the quest for cousins. http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/74349/kirk-cousins-fallout-jets-could-be-major-player-for-soon-to-be-free-qb
MrEpsYtown Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:45 PM, dollars 2 donuts said: But what you are forgetting is how much it will cost the Vikings to sign Cousins...oh wait, you didn't forget that at all. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/ Vikings: $56,000,000 Jets: $79,000,000 Bills: $31,000,000 (maybe a wash when you get rid of TT/Woods cap hit from retirement). I respect a lot of you guys around here. That said, JEEPERS DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST TO SIGN THIS GUY IN BUFFALO?! It is probably going to be a $125 million plus deal, with probably $90,000,000 or so guaranteed. He is a good QB. However, are you so sure he as THAT good to put this team's cap in jeopardy for years to come at this stage of the Bills' development? I like Cousins, but I liked Smith as a more reasonable option (not, however, for the Bills with what Washington ended up with on a 4 year extension). I wouldn't pay that money for Cousins, and it is unlikely that the Bills could even afford him in 2018. Expand This is what he said to PFT: "Is money a part of it? Sure. Is it the only thing? No. It is about winning, and that's what I want more than anything, so I'm going to be willing to make sacrifices or do what has to be done to make sure I'm in the best possible position to win, and that's what the focus is going to be." Money is part of it, and there are too many teams that can offer more than us. I think Cousins signing with us is unlikely.
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 3:01 PM, MrEpsYtown said: This is what he said to PFT: "Is money a part of it? Sure. Is it the only thing? No. It is about winning, and that's what I want more than anything, so I'm going to be willing to make sacrifices or do what has to be done to make sure I'm in the best possible position to win, and that's what the focus is going to be." Money is part of it, and there are too many teams that can offer more than us. I think Cousins signing with us is unlikely. Expand Eps, out of curiosity, what would you do now? I'm thinking, right now, I would see what is reasonably out there in FA, and then prep for a move in the draft, with the caveat if they like a guy (for the future) who would be there late in the first or in the second and they want to wait...fine. ...but if they love a guy, go get him.
Putin Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) On 1/31/2018 at 2:44 AM, Dkollidas said: If Smith gets multiple picks and a player, Tyrod should be worth at least a 4th, or even a 3rd. Expand QB’s have a little more value then RB’s Edited January 31, 2018 by Putin 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) On 1/31/2018 at 7:54 AM, GunnerBill said: The price of QBs goes up every year. There were people a week agon thinking Cousins might only get $22-23m then a 33 year old Alex Smith who two teams have moved on from gets that.... Cousins is going to get paid seriously big. None of that is an excuse not to move on from Tyrod though. Expand Yep you were right. There needs to be a money limit on QBs, one player shouldn't have all the money making it harder to sign other quality players. Edited January 31, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian
MrEpsYtown Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 3:06 PM, dollars 2 donuts said: Eps, out of curiosity, what would you do now? I'm thinking, right now, I would see what is reasonably out there in FA, and then prep for a move in the draft, with the caveat if they like a guy (for the future) who would be there late in the first or in the second and they want to wait...fine. ...but if they love a guy, go get him. Expand I think you have to entertain the trade up scenario. Like you said, go and get him. I look for all avenues to try and trade up and get Rosen or Darnold. I really like Rosen. Then sign any FA quarterback to be a bridge for 8-10 games (like the Giants did with Kurt Warner and Eli.) You would definitely need a vet in the room. If a trade up can't happen I think you have to consider Bridgewater next. He's got elite skills with a huge injury question. But he's still young and could, in theory be that franchise guy. After that I think we have to consider Bradford, Keenum, a trade for Foles etc. I really wanted Alex Smith and I really like Cousins. I thought Smith had a good chance of happening, but obviously it didn't. I think the Cousins fit is great, but I see the signing as unlikely. What I fear will happen? Something like Tyler Bray, Tom Savage, and Peterman battle it out. Yuck! 1
SouthNYfan Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 3:01 PM, MrEpsYtown said: This is what he said to PFT: "Is money a part of it? Sure. Is it the only thing? No. It is about winning, and that's what I want more than anything, so I'm going to be willing to make sacrifices or do what has to be done to make sure I'm in the best possible position to win, and that's what the focus is going to be." Money is part of it, and there are too many teams that can offer more than us. I think Cousins signing with us is unlikely. Expand If he likes us, and we are offering $27-30 mil, vs $31-33 elsewhere, I think we have a shot. If somebody goes crazy and offers $35mil no way he gives that up
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 3:17 PM, MrEpsYtown said: I think you have to entertain the trade up scenario. Like you said, go and get him. I look for all avenues to try and trade up and get Rosen or Darnold. I really like Rosen. Then sign any FA quarterback to be a bridge for 8-10 games (like the Giants did with Kurt Warner and Eli.) You would definitely need a vet in the room. If a trade up can't happen I think you have to consider Bridgewater next. He's got elite skills with a huge injury question. But he's still young and could, in theory be that franchise guy. After that I think we have to consider Bradford, Keenum, a trade for Foles etc. I really wanted Alex Smith and I really like Cousins. I thought Smith had a good chance of happening, but obviously it didn't. I think the Cousins fit is great, but I see the signing as unlikely. What I fear will happen? Something like Tyler Bray, Tom Savage, and Peterman battle it out. Yuck! Expand Well said, my friend. Except your last sentence which made me throw-up a little bit. 1
bdutton Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:40 AM, Wayne Arnold said: Kirk Cousins to Buffalo!!! Expand Why. Cousins is hardly an improvement over Tyrod and he will demand a huge contract. For QB's with at least 100 attempts, his QB Rate is Ranked 14th to Tyrods 18th. He threw 3 times as many interceptions as Tyrod... 13 to 4. Completion PCT is virtually the same 64/63. Sure Cousins threw 27 TD's to Tyrod's 14 but Tyrod actually led his team to the playoffs with a rookie HC. Tyrod is not the answer at QB long term but neither is Cousins. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:51 PM, SouthNYfan said: Winston and Marcus weren't last year... Expand I know that. I guess I could have been clearer. My point stands no? They were both drafted in 2015 and both were expected to be stars by now.
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:44 PM, Mojo44 said: Remember this post when Smith is winning 11 or 12 games with the Redskins well cousins flops at mile high. Winning is the ultimate stat! Expand smith won't have the defense in wash he did in kc. especially if norman leaves. he also doesn't have the offensive weapons. he's gotta play the cowboys, eagles and giants as well now. much more difficult than charges, broncos, raiders have been recently. On 1/31/2018 at 3:25 PM, bdutton said: Why. Cousins is hardly an improvement over Tyrod and he will demand a huge contract. For QB's with at least 100 attempts, his QB Rate is Ranked 14th to Tyrods 18th. He threw 3 times as many interceptions as Tyrod... 13 to 4. Completion PCT is virtually the same 64/63. Sure Cousins threw 27 TD's to Tyrod's 14 but Tyrod actually led his team to the playoffs with a rookie HC. Tyrod is not the answer at QB long term but neither is Cousins. Expand oh come on. you can't be serious? 1
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 3:33 PM, aristocrat said: smith won't have the defense in wash he did in kc. especially if norman leaves. he also doesn't have the offensive weapons. he's gotta play the cowboys, eagles and giants as well now. much more difficult than charges, broncos, raiders have been recently. oh come on. you can't be serious? Expand Norman signed a 5 year deal in 2016. Where is he going?
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) On 1/31/2018 at 3:37 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Norman signed a 5 year deal in 2016. Where is he going? Expand i saw a rumor of him getting traded to the panthes. just a rumor. the way they structured the deal it was easy out after two seasons. Edited January 31, 2018 by aristocrat
CritMark Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 I haven't read all 22 pages here so forgive me if I am repeating something. As I posted a few days ago, I expected Cousins to be gone from Washington and Smith to be traded. I guessed wrong on where Smith went but not overly surprised, except for how early the deal got done. I think it's a good deal for both. I think Cousins decision is his alone, meaning he won't just go anywhere for money. He will get plenty. He has stated he wants to go where he can win. I think his first best option will be Denver if they can clear some cap space. If they can make the economics work at all, that's where he lands. Don't underestimate Elway getting the guy he wants. That may be tough so looking at QB needy teams, the Browns and Jets have the most to spend. I think Cousins will not want to go the the Cleveland dumpster fire so the Jets are a real possibility. The Bills are in a tough spot because they barely have more cap space than Denver and in this case, the two first round picks may work against them because they have to sign them and for more money that most teams just because they have two picks in round 1. I have seen the Vikings suggested as a possible landing spot for Cousins but I just don't see that happening. To much love by the fans in both Bridgewater and Keenum to not sign one of them. Ownership would catch hell if they let both of those guys walk and did anything but win the Super Bowl with Cousins. The madness begins. 1
SouthNYfan Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 3:28 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: I know that. I guess I could have been clearer. My point stands no? They were both drafted in 2015 and both were expected to be stars by now. Expand I would say Winston is very good, and still could be a star, but yes, after 3 years, he could be better I would also say the same for Marcus. They aren't legit stars yet, but they are both very good and young, and not even in their primes
BuffaloRebound Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Reid wins wherever he goes at least in the regular season. I'd be hugely surprised if Smith has anywhere near the same success in Washington.
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