Deranged Rhino Posted February 4, 2018 Author Posted February 4, 2018 http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/372233-nunes-memo-raises-question-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, B-Man said: I swear these morons are competing for the most irresponsible farcical comment............ We know that it has been a rough week for Adam Schiff, but he’s really beginning to reach. He told George Stephanopoulos on ABC that as a result of the FISA memo release, people may be less likely to report to the FBI a neighbor who is buying a lot of fertilizer but has no yard. Adam Schiff again today suggesting that the release of the FISA abuse #Memo may lead to a bombing because people will be hesitant now to report neighbors purchasing fertilizer? He did the same thing on Friday with Maddow. https://news.grabien.com/story-schiff-again-suggests-gop-fisa-abuse-memo-may-lead-another-o … That's what Tim McVeigh did! Yes, we want people like that reported And this guy will be the majority leader of the intelligence committee come next January https://mobile.twitter.com/maddow/status/959961724840488960 Natasha Bertrand liked Rachel Maddow MSNBC @maddow Congressman Devin Nunes to Bret Baier on Friday night: “I don't believe that somebody like Mr. Page should be a target of the FBI.” Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand ! Big news from @TIME: “Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin,” Page wrote in a 2013 letter.
Azalin Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Adam Schiff again today suggesting that the release of the FISA abuse #Memo may lead to a bombing because people will be hesitant now to report neighbors purchasing fertilizer? Who needs to buy any fertilizer with all the $#@% this guy has been shoveling? 1
Wacka Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Flashback to 2013: http://thehill.com/policy/technology/323623-rep-schiff-pushes-bill-to-create-fisa-privacy-advocate Schiff was gravely concerned about FISA abuses... Now he's only concerned about YOU finding out about FISA abuses. Why? What changed between then and now? Oooh! Oooh! Mr, Kotter! Mr. Kotter! 1
keepthefaith Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Dates back to June 15th to be precise. Exactly when the DNC, FBI, DOJ and 44 were trying to cover their asses for prior abuses of the 702 quarry system which both CrowdStrike and Fusion GPS had unfettered access to until April '16. You can clearly see WHY the dossier was created when examining this timeline. Posting this timeline again because it's crucial: I did miss one! 10/21/16 (Original) 1/19/17 (renewal) 4/19/17 (renewal) 7/18/17 (renewal) Expired 10/16/17 Truly fascinating stuff. The timing of the warrants themselves don't translate into much help for Hillary. Very little time before the election. The dossier itself would be more damaging. Is it public knowledge whether or not Page was the the only subject of the surveillance or were others in the Trump orbit included? What justification (probable cause) could have been provided to renew the warrants well into Trump's first year as President? Edited February 4, 2018 by keepthefaith
DC Tom Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: What justification (probable cause) could have been provided to renew the warrants well into Trump's first year as President? The investigation in to Page didn't end when Trump was elected.
keepthefaith Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: The investigation in to Page didn't end when Trump was elected. Without seeing the other "evidence" (besides the dossier) that was presented on Page throughout the year of surveillance warrants, it's hard to say how improper the whole process was.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 5, 2018 Author Posted February 5, 2018 Hey, look at that. Clapper lying again. Why are people holding this man up as a beacon of truth? He's lied OVER AND OVER again to the American people. 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: Without seeing the other "evidence" (besides the dossier) that was presented on Page throughout the year of surveillance warrants, it's hard to say how improper the whole process was. This is true. And why I expect a push to declassify as much of the FISA application as they can. We know, per Trey Gowdy today (video linked below), that the FISA application relied on three pieces of "evidence": The dossier (which remains unverified and salacious), the Yahoo News Article (which we know they lied about it's origin - it was the product of circular reporting), and the previous FBI Carter Page investigation. We also know, for certain, two other things: 1. The FBI had an investigation into Carter Page, but they did not have a FISA warrant on him. The FBI had him under watch - that's all we know for sure. 2. After three years of investigating Page, the evidence collected on him by July 2016 was not strong enough to get a FISA warrant approved. And remember this, the memo shows they got a Title I surveillance authority which is the most intrusive surveillance possible. In order for it to be applied to an American citizen, that means the FBI had to bring evidence to the court that Page was a foreign agent - a spy. And since the warrant with just the Page information was rejected, we KNOW after three years they did not have the evidence to convince the court to meet this high bar. It wasn't until that original case was bolstered by the dossier (and fed to the MSM thus bolstering it's "merit"), that they got the approval in October. 30 days AFTER Page left the campaign. Why would the FBI/DOJ/DNC/44 fight so hard to get a FISA Title I warrant on a man who (at best) was a fringe part of the Trump team and who had already left? Because the Title I designation allows them to also surveil anyone Page has ever had contact with. That means anyone on Team Trump. In fact the Title I designation was the ONLY way to get Trump himself under surveillance. And they did that... Not just during the election - but after he was President of the United States. In order to do this, they omitted vital information from the FISA court (which is not a traditional court, there is no "other side" defending Page's 4th amendment rights, the system is built on the assumption the FBI and DOJ are operating on the level) about a dossier they KNEW to be paid oppo research that THEY helped generate. Trump was right when he said he was being wiretapped. This is now inarguable. And that's just the start of the treason/sedition slippery slope we are really talking about here. That's why the push back has been so hysterical. /my two cents (good stuff to read) http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/372233-nunes-memo-raises-question-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/04/exceptional-work-by-sharyl-attkisson-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures/#more-145461 Addendum: More evidence of how scared they really are of what is just the first shot in a long series of revelations and investigations:
Deranged Rhino Posted February 5, 2018 Author Posted February 5, 2018 Worth the read: Quote According to the congressman, to justify a FISA warrant, the Justice Department had to show probable cause that “the target of the electronic surveillance is . . . an agent of a foreign power.” No, that’s only half of what must be shown. Nadler neglects to explain that, because Page is an American citizen, the Justice Department also had to establish that the clandestine activity in which Page supposedly engaged on Russia’s behalf may have involved federal crimes. (See sec. 1801(b) of Title 50, U.S. Code.) http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456093/jerrold-nadler-memo-rebuttal-weak-unpersuasive
keepthefaith Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Hey, look at that. Clapper lying again. Why are people holding this man up as a beacon of truth? He's lied OVER AND OVER again to the American people. This is true. And why I expect a push to declassify as much of the FISA application as they can. We know, per Trey Gowdy today (video linked below), that the FISA application relied on three pieces of "evidence": The dossier (which remains unverified and salacious), the Yahoo News Article (which we know they lied about it's origin - it was the product of circular reporting), and the previous FBI Carter Page investigation. We also know, for certain, two other things: 1. The FBI had an investigation into Carter Page, but they did not have a FISA warrant on him. The FBI had him under watch - that's all we know for sure. 2. After three years of investigating Page, the evidence collected on him by July 2016 was not strong enough to get a FISA warrant approved. And remember this, the memo shows they got a Title I surveillance authority which is the most intrusive surveillance possible. In order for it to be applied to an American citizen, that means the FBI had to bring evidence to the court that Page was a foreign agent - a spy. And since the warrant with just the Page information was rejected, we KNOW after three years they did not have the evidence to convince the court to meet this high bar. It wasn't until that original case was bolstered by the dossier (and fed to the MSM thus bolstering it's "merit"), that they got the approval in October. 30 days AFTER Page left the campaign. Why would the FBI/DOJ/DNC/44 fight so hard to get a FISA Title I warrant on a man who (at best) was a fringe part of the Trump team and who had already left? Because the Title I designation allows them to also surveil anyone Page has ever had contact with. That means anyone on Team Trump. In fact the Title I designation was the ONLY way to get Trump himself under surveillance. And they did that... Not just during the election - but after he was President of the United States. In order to do this, they omitted vital information from the FISA court (which is not a traditional court, there is no "other side" defending Page's 4th amendment rights, the system is built on the assumption the FBI and DOJ are operating on the level) about a dossier they KNEW to be paid oppo research that THEY helped generate. Trump was right when he said he was being wiretapped. This is now inarguable. And that's just the start of the treason/sedition slippery slope we are really talking about here. That's why the push back has been so hysterical. /my two cents (good stuff to read) http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/372233-nunes-memo-raises-question-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/04/exceptional-work-by-sharyl-attkisson-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures/#more-145461 Addendum: More evidence of how scared they really are of what is just the first shot in a long series of revelations and investigations: When the dots are connected as you suggest, yes it's really devious and coordinated stuff. It'll be fun to watch from here and your contributions on this are quite interesting and appreciated.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 5, 2018 Author Posted February 5, 2018 It was all circular reporting. A closed loop, designed to poison the minds of the public and fool the FISA court.
Tiberius Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 My God, Nunes never even read the documents involved in obtaining the warrant. What a joke. How can he even make the claim that this taints the whole investigation. What a joke.
3rdnlng Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Some little pissants are just a little confused. Only one person was allowed to read the documents supporting the FISA warrant. Nunes appointed Trey Gowdy to do it since it fit his skills much better.
Tiberius Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Some little pissants are just a little confused. Only one person was allowed to read the documents supporting the FISA warrant. Nunes appointed Trey Gowdy to do it since it fit his skills much better. Thank you for walking into that Too easy Not even Gowdy would accept the premise that the FISA warrant affected the rest of the investigation: “So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos’s meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn’t have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there’s going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.”
3rdnlng Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Thank you for walking into that Too easy Not even Gowdy would accept the premise that the FISA warrant affected the rest of the investigation: “So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos’s meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn’t have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there’s going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.” Nobody here is saying anything different you !@#$ing moron. You are confusing the issues, obviously because you have too weak of a mind to differentiate them. 1
Tiberius Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Nobody here is saying anything different you !@#$ing moron. You are confusing the issues, obviously because you have too weak of a mind to differentiate them. Shut up!
outsidethebox Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: Shut up! Take your own advice. You sound lije a damn fool!!
Deranged Rhino Posted February 5, 2018 Author Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) #LittleAdamSchiff is trending. And the first hints of what's in Grassley's memo. And BOY HOWDY is it a doozy: Quote While heavily redacted, the memo states Steele said he received information that came from "a foreign sub-source who 'is in touch with (redacted), a contact of (redacted), a friend of the Clintons, who passed it to (redacted).” "It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele's work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility," the senators wrote to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the Russia probe, and FBI Director Christopher Wray. "...there is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility,” the senators wrote. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/05/clinton-associates-fed-information-to-trump-dossier-author-steele-memo-says.html Yeah. Things are getting spicy. Nunes, Grassley, Goodlatte, Horowitz. That's the batting order, and Grassley's up. Another:http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dossier-author-steele-wrote-another-anti-trump-memo-was-fed-info-by-clinton-connected-contact-obama-state-department/article/2648099 And the redacted memo: https://www.scribd.com/document/370786900/Unclassified-CEG-LG-Memo-to-DOJ-FBI-Steele-Referral Edited February 5, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1
B-Man Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 More: Byron York: Dossier author Steele wrote another anti-Trump memo; was fed info by Clinton-connected contact, Obama State Department.
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