Deranged Rhino Posted February 3, 2018 Author Posted February 3, 2018 Good article here clarifying the difference between title VII and title I and why that matters re the Memo. Page's FISA - per the memo - was NOT VII (meaning incidental collection), it was Title I meaning the government claimed Page was a Russian agent or spy. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/02/inside-the-hpsci-memo-a-key-distinction-being-conflated-title-i-vs-title-vii/
B-Man Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Why Did the Democrats Lie So Baldly about the Memo Adam Schiff, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, among seemingly dozens of Democrats, not to mention half the mainstream media, had been warning us for days that the release of the memo authored by Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee would place our national security at grave risk. "Sources and methods" would be revealed. Now that we have seen the memo, it's clear that was an absolutely bald-faced lie of the most obvious sort. Nothing in it impacts national security in the slightest. There's no mention whatsoever of any "sources and methods." Unless they were lobotomized, those Democrats and their dependable PR team (aka the media) must have realized they were blatantly lying to the American public. Evidently, they didn't care. How're we now supposed to trust what these people say about anything? Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. Their latest meme is "cherry picking." The memo was cherry-picked and therefore to be ignored. That's like saying a murderer who has a clean driving record and is a good cook is not a murderer. Whatever else happened, the FBI clearly used a slanderous fictional document to get a FISA ruling to surveil Carter Page without telling the court the document was a pack of lies paid for by the Clinton campaign and written by a creepy spy with old-line Soviet connections. And they did it multiple times. {snip} It seems this particular lie was a last line of defense — for now — against a coming potential Armageddon for their party. This memo, bad as it is, is apparently only the first of many, a small percentage of what is to come. And the Democrats know it. Fear is operative. Maybe panic. An entire weltanschauung is under threat — jobs, friends, self-image, who knows what. If this goes on much longer and much more comes out, some Democrats -—not apparatchik Schiff, needless to say, but others — might have to face reality and say something. A few journalists (not at CNN, but maybe someplace else) might have to report the truth. It happened with Watergate. Republicans turned against Nixon. But, of course, they're "the stupid party." But speaking of stupid, something else occurred that few are mentioning, but may be of more significance than anything. What were these FISA judges thinking who allowed for the surveillance? They actually read the Steele dossier, one would assume. Were they imbeciles or as biased as McCabe, Strzok and the rest of that seedy FBI cabal? Whether they were told that document came from the Clinton campaign or not, it read like an outtake from the back pages of the National Enquirer — and not one of the good issues (John Edwards, etc.). The dossier was ludicrous on its face, yet the supposedly great legal minds of the FISA court accepted it as what appears to be the most important evidence for the case. Think about that. What we need, obviously, is the old word transparency. The public needs to see the full details of what went into the FISA decisions — and we don't need to hear any of that fake palaver about national security. Everybody's security depends on the FISA court working in a one-hundred percent unbiased manner. Otherwise we're living a nightmare. That court, and its workings, and its personnel should be a key part of any investigation going forward. New rules and regulations have to be put in place. FINALLY: Looking good in all this is Senator Rand Paul. He warned us about our fragile privacy. Looking especially bad, the American Civil Liberties Union who are defecating on their charter. Looking even worse: Barack Obama. He led the charge to turn the intelligence agencies against the people. Looking lost — Robert Mueller. How will he get half the country to believe anything he says at this point? https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/democrats-lie-baldly-memo/
Nanker Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Yep. I suspect he hangs with Charlie Sheen though. 1
bdutton Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) Liberal Logic: Edited February 3, 2018 by bdutton
Deranged Rhino Posted February 3, 2018 Author Posted February 3, 2018 Here's a very poor attempt at deflection by Rep Eric Swallwell. Note his argument is that Tucker is "undermining the rule of law" for raising these concerns while ignoring the fact this whole ordeal was brought upon the American people by 44 and company ignoring the rule of law to spy on their political opposition. If this is all they got as a defense, then the next few months are going to be rougher on them than even I imagined: Just now, bdutton said: Liberal Logic: It's amazing to see. *******************
3rdnlng Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Here's a very poor attempt at deflection by Rep Eric Swallwell. Note his argument is that Tucker is "undermining the rule of law" for raising these concerns while ignoring the fact this whole ordeal was brought upon the American people by 44 and company ignoring the rule of law to spy on their political opposition. If this is all they got as a defense, then the next few months are going to be rougher on them than even I imagined: Well Swalwell is Adam Schiff's lapdog and argues pretty much the same way. These guys truly are idiots. 1
Doc Brown Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, B-Man said: Why Did the Democrats Lie So Baldly about the Memo I think I answered this before with a similar headline. Because they're idiots who are terrible at playing politics. The same reason they overreacted to the Tax Bill and now are regretting it as people are slowly realizing their taxes aren't going up but going down. The same reason they were screaming Russian collusion/rigging election when they should of been self examining their own party like the GOP did in '09. 1
TH3 Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Good article here clarifying the difference between title VII and title I and why that matters re the Memo. Page's FISA - per the memo - was NOT VII (meaning incidental collection), it was Title I meaning the government claimed Page was a Russian agent or spy. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/02/inside-the-hpsci-memo-a-key-distinction-being-conflated-title-i-vs-title-vii/ Hey DR, I can not keep up with your voluminous reporting on the Democratic assault on our country!...I am making a chart...was Ellen Degeneres in on this vein of treason...or was that in another section of liberal madness? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 3, 2018 Author Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, baskin said: Hey DR, I can not keep up with your voluminous reporting on the Democratic assault on our country!...I am making a chart...was Ellen Degeneres in on this vein of treason...or was that in another section of liberal madness? If you think my contention is that this was purely a democratic assault on our country, you haven't been paying close enough attention. The rot is on both sides, crosses multiple administrations. It's just right now, in this moment, it's 44 and company who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. That's not the start or end of the corruption. It's just the group that's caught in the spotlight. Do you think that the only time these spying powers have been abused by the state happened in the '16 election? Nah.
DC Tom Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: If you think my contention is that this was purely a democratic assault on our country, you haven't been paying close enough attention. It's baskin. What do you think? 1
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, baskin said: Hey DR, I can not keep up with your voluminous reporting on the Democratic assault on our country!...I am making a chart...was Ellen Degeneres in on this vein of treason...or was that in another section of liberal madness? ' Go !@#$ yourself
TH3 Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: If you think my contention is that this was purely a democratic assault on our country, you haven't been paying close enough attention. The rot is on both sides, crosses multiple administrations. It's just right now, in this moment, it's 44 and company who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. That's not the start or end of the corruption. It's just the group that's caught in the spotlight. Do you think that the only time these spying powers have been abused by the state happened in the '16 election? Nah. If you think I read ANY of this stuff past the first several words...you are under the wrong impression...thats what is good about DC...his thoughts are limited to typically 12-15 words and are almost always repetitive and contain no substance whatsoever....you...on the other hand...anyone who can weave Ellen freaking Degeneres into a liberal conspiracy...that gold...Jerry...gold... In another thread...DR did actually weave Ellen Degeeres into the liberal conspiracy...it was genius.... 5 minutes ago, OJABBA said: ' Go !@#$ yourself
Deranged Rhino Posted February 3, 2018 Author Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, baskin said: If you think I read ANY of this stuff past the first several words...you are under the wrong impression... I must have been. I thought you had a larger attention span than that of a gnat. I was wrong.
DC Tom Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, baskin said: If you think I read ANY of this stuff past the first several words...you are under the wrong impression... Then don't opine on it, retard. 1 1
TH3 Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Then don't opine on it, retard. You guys seem to read quite a bit and opine even more....from what I can see most of it is unoriginal repeats stemming from obviously agenda oriented press outlets or just plain links to threads....but the case of DR ..it is...magnificence! BTW...you talked about psychanalysis...would you say your issues are more mommy or daddy oriented?
3rdnlng Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, baskin said: You guys seem to read quite a bit and opine even more....from what I can see most of it is unoriginal repeats stemming from obviously agenda oriented press outlets or just plain links to threads....but the case of DR ..it is...magnificence! BTW...you talked about psychanalysis...would you say your issues are more mommy or daddy oriented? Opposed to your issues, that are more jackass oriented?
Tiberius Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: So it looks like there will be a long investigative hike on the FBI/DOJ/FISA surveillance of Trump and company trail and there could be a lot of arrests made before it all ends. I think Trump and the DOJ and the house and senate committees will wait until Mueller is done before they get too nasty. I also think Mueller who is mostly playing for the other team knows this and that he will drag out his investigation for endless months as a way to protect many of his former associates for as long as he can. Mueller who supposedly has the latitude to take his investigation in whatever direction the evidence leads him seems to be ignoring the apparent and improper bias and surveillance. Well, the Manafort trial doesn't even begin until September. And remember, Mueller wants to interview the president, so that's still being negotiated. Under oath. Lol 50 minutes ago, baskin said: Hey DR, I can not keep up with your voluminous reporting on the Democratic assault on our country!...I am making a chart...was Ellen Degeneres in on this vein of treason...or was that in another section of liberal madness? Ellen!! Rotflmao!!
B-Man Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 Quote Dan Rather ✔@DanRather With the release of the memo, the goal of the White House and its willing enablers is to make what is really the truth into a forgettable sidebar.https://www.facebook.com/theDanRather/posts/10159959973570716 … 8:35 PM - Feb 2, 201 Quote David Burge@iowahawkblog Why don't you sit this one out, Times New McRomanhttps://twitter.com/DanRather/status/959601138063482880 … 12:58 PM - Feb 3, 2018 1 1
DC Tom Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, baskin said: You guys seem to read quite a bit and opine even more....from what I can see most of it is unoriginal repeats stemming from obviously agenda oriented press outlets or just plain links to threads....but the case of DR ..it is...magnificence! BTW...you talked about psychanalysis...would you say your issues are more mommy or daddy oriented? Time for gatorman to pop in and say "Hold my beer and watch this..." 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The replies to Scarborough's tweet are truly asinine. Edited February 3, 2018 by DC Tom
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