Kirby Jackson Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Tony Romo is a legit franchise QB. Where did I assert Prescott a "success" relative to Tony Romo? The point is, Prescott is better than 5 of the 7 QB drafted above him. That would be Paxton Lynch, Hackenberg, Brissett, Cody Kessler, and Connor Cook. Any disagreement on that point? I start looking at QB quality when they've got >30 games under their belt. Prescott may or may not be an "all star", but I think it's clear he's going to be a successful NFL QB. He's been rocking a 65% completion rating, a stellar TD/INT ratio of almost 3:1, a 7.5 AY/A that says he's not Mr Dump-off-check-down, and almost 220 ypg. Yes, he fell off without his star RB this year, but he still did well enough. Dumb question: trades are contingent on the player passing a physical with the receiving team. If you trade up during the draft for a pick, and include a player, how does that work? The receiving team can't go to the NFL a week after the draft and say "Dammit, that guy we got didn't pass his physical, bring everyone back to the draft and do-over from Pick #3" The medicals are all done leading up to the draft. You check players at the combine and on their visits (if they visit). If you aren’t comfortable with the results you probably aren’t drafting them (unless it’s a little later and the value is too good to pass up). It’s kind of like the McGahee situation.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Dumb question: trades are contingent on the player passing a physical with the receiving team. If you trade up during the draft for a pick, and include a player, how does that work? The receiving team can't go to the NFL a week after the draft and say "Dammit, that guy we got didn't pass his physical, bring everyone back to the draft and do-over from Pick #3" This quite literally happened this past season when Seattle traded for Duane Brown. Jeremy Lane failed his physical, so Seattle wound up amending their side of the deal to include a higher draft pick. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21242487/seattle-seahawks-houston-texans-amend-duane-brown-trade-jeremy-lane-fails-physical
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: This quite literally happened this past season when Seattle traded for Duane Brown. Jeremy Lane failed his physical, so Seattle wound up amending their side of the deal to include a higher draft pick. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21242487/seattle-seahawks-houston-texans-amend-duane-brown-trade-jeremy-lane-fails-physical Fair enough, but that wasn't during the draft. Presumably, if they hadn't worked out a deal both sides could live with, the whole trade would have been canceled and everyone's draft picks and players stay with them. If it's during the draft, and draft picks are used, then the player fails his physical, what then? Edited January 30, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fair enough, but that wasn't during the draft. Presumably, if they hadn't worked out a deal both sides could live with, the whole trade would have been canceled and everyone's draft picks and players stay with them. If it's during the draft, and draft picks are used, then the player fails his physical, what then? They'd probably have to agree to a backup deal if the physical fails.
Real McClappy Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 11:19 AM, Virgil said: With a GM who may not want to give up the farm to trade up and a salary cap space that's needed with a huge amount of UFA's, what's the plan for if we aren't able to snag someone in FA or the draft who can compete for the starting job. Let's just assume that the Bills want in on ALL top QB's available. Cousins could easily go for a price tag outside of where we are willing to go. Two of the three Qb's in Minnesota are likely to be retained, but it's very well possible that we don't land the leftover. If they keep Keenum and Bridgewater, we may not even want Bradford. Then, let's say the Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold all go in the top 3-5 picks and we couldn't get a deal done to move up. I don't think any of those scenario's are unrealistic at all. So what then? Do we actually keep Tyrod and get someone in the later rounds we hope develops and wait until next year when there is less QB competition? Basically, what would plan C need to include to make you optimistic about our offense next year if we can't land the top 3 guys at QB or FA QB's? If a FO has to revert to plan C at QB that is flat out failure. 1
MAJBobby Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 10:19 AM, Virgil said: With a GM who may not want to give up the farm to trade up and a salary cap space that's needed with a huge amount of UFA's, what's the plan for if we aren't able to snag someone in FA or the draft who can compete for the starting job. Let's just assume that the Bills want in on ALL top QB's available. Cousins could easily go for a price tag outside of where we are willing to go. Two of the three Qb's in Minnesota are likely to be retained, but it's very well possible that we don't land the leftover. If they keep Keenum and Bridgewater, we may not even want Bradford. Then, let's say the Rosen, Mayfield, and Darnold all go in the top 3-5 picks and we couldn't get a deal done to move up. I don't think any of those scenario's are unrealistic at all. So what then? Do we actually keep Tyrod and get someone in the later rounds we hope develops and wait until next year when there is less QB competition? Basically, what would plan C need to include to make you optimistic about our offense next year if we can't land the top 3 guys at QB or FA QB's? Plan A Draft (early) Plan B Draft (early) Plan C Draft (early) Plan D Draft (early) etc etc etc notice TT is not anywhere in those plans 1
ALF Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 The Bills still need a bridge QB whoever they draft.
Virgil Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Plan A Draft (early) Plan B Draft (early) Plan C Draft (early) Plan D Draft (early) etc etc etc notice TT is not anywhere in those plans You're nothing if not consistent. I'm glad to see you can think outside the box. Well done in living up to your reputation
Thurman#1 Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/29/2018 at 1:42 AM, Kirby Jackson said: He adds $10M of dead space. Anything over $8M a year would add cap spending to the position this year. As an example if the Bills release Tyrod and add Bridgewater at $18M, it will be $28M of cap cost. Again that assumes a 1 year deal with all of the money hitting at once. Minus the money we would be saving on Tyrod, the salary and the roster bonus.
MAJBobby Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: You're nothing if not consistent. I'm glad to see you can think outside the box. Well done in living up to your reputation Why think out of the Box. Very rarely will teams find an asnwer anywhere but the draft. Thag should be the plan to answer the question here
reddogblitz Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 16 hours ago, SoTier said: Totally agree. When a QB from North Dakota State goes #2 in the draft, that means that the scouts are not only scouring the hinterlands, they aren't letting any potential Tom Bradys slip through the cracks like they may have done twenty years ago. These days, a kid who goes in the late rounds is seriously lacking in the physical attributes necessary for an NFL QB, so he's not even a decent bet to make a "solid backup". Scouring the Hinterlands is far from a new thing. Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, and Johnny Unitas were from the Hinterlands too.
reddogblitz Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Minus the money we would be saving on Tyrod, the salary and the roster bonus. If we cut Hotrod we still have 8mil on the cap for him. To break even on what we would have paid him, we'd have 10 mil to sign a QB. Good luck. Glennon got 15 mil last year. 15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The only reason he could be available (and I put a very small chance of this) is that the Colts realize that they are a bad team and are wasting his prime. Why would the Colts care if they're "wasting his prime" or not. They're paying him handsomely for it. Besides, if they put him back in there with Hilton and a few FAs and decent draft, they could be right back in it.
SoTier Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Scouring the Hinterlands is far from a new thing. Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, and Johnny Unitas were from the Hinterlands too. My point is that scouting -- finding and evaluating prospects -- is much more thorough than it was in the past. QBs with NFL quality arms and other good physical attributes are going to be drafted even if they go to smaller programs or even to Div II schools (like Flacco). Actually, Warner and Romo, who were UDFAs when they came out (Warner 20+ years ago, Romo 12+ years ago), would likely have been drafted today, even if on Day 3, although generally QBs with NFL arms go on Day 1 and Day 2.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: If we cut Hotrod we still have 8mil on the cap for him. To break even on what we would have paid him, we'd have 10 mil to sign a QB. Good luck. Glennon got 15 mil last year. Why would the Colts care if they're "wasting his prime" or not. They're paying him handsomely for it. Besides, if they put him back in there with Hilton and a few FAs and decent draft, they could be right back in it. I don’t think that the Colts necessarily care if they are wasting his prime. The question from their standpoint is “can we win in the near future?” Are they better off taking a QB at 3 and a boatload of picks for Luck? Basically, should they hit the reset button if they can’t win with him? Instead of fighting for playoff spots over the next few years should they try to build a championship team 4 years down the road? It’s highly unlikely but that was how we ended up on this tangent.
SoTier Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: If we cut Hotrod we still have 8mil on the cap for him. To break even on what we would have paid him, we'd have 10 mil to sign a QB. Good luck. Glennon got 15 mil last year. Numerous posters who want to get rid of Taylor to save money (as opposed to those who just hate him and want him gone no matter the cost) seem to have no idea of how expensive QB are. A veteran backup QB with minimal competence will probably cost $5+ million a year. A veteran backup QB with better skills is going to cost more. This is why many teams draft Day 2 or 3 QBs as backups and keep them until they done with their rookie contracts which are a whole lot cheaper. A QB who could be a "bridge" QB is probably going to cost as much as Glennon or Taylor if not more (like Smith).
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) The price for Alex Smith is apparently a second this year and a 4th in 2019. Edited January 30, 2018 by Jamie Muellers Ghost
CuddyDark Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 Hopefully they finally build a young team full of good 1st and 2nd round draft picks. C options should be Groy, James Daniels or Frank Ragnow in the draft. And at QB Peterman, maybe still Tyrod and Rudolph, White or Allen in round 2.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 Two Teams Emerge As Early Candidates Another big development to take place early on for the Kansas City Chiefs is a recent report from Adam Schefter. The ESPN insider went on the air with Steven A. Smith and told listeners that the Jaguars would move on from Blake Bortles if they could acquire either Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins. That is the first major domino to fall for KC. Another rumor has gained some traction, though this one is more circumstantial than insider reporting. Bills general manager Brandon Beane had a lengthy conversation at the Senior Bowl with super agent Tom Condon. Alex Smith is one of Condon’s top clients this offseason, and the fit between Buffalo and Smith makes sense.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Two Teams Emerge As Early Candidates Another big development to take place early on for the Kansas City Chiefs is a recent report from Adam Schefter. The ESPN insider went on the air with Steven A. Smith and told listeners that the Jaguars would move on from Blake Bortles if they could acquire either Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins. That is the first major domino to fall for KC. Another rumor has gained some traction, though this one is more circumstantial than insider reporting. Bills general manager Brandon Beane had a lengthy conversation at the Senior Bowl with super agent Tom Condon. Alex Smith is one of Condon’s top clients this offseason, and the fit between Buffalo and Smith makes sense. Smith makes a lot of sense for both of those teams (especially at the current asking price). 1
reddogblitz Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Two Teams Emerge As Early Candidates Another big development to take place early on for the Kansas City Chiefs is a recent report from Adam Schefter. The ESPN insider went on the air with Steven A. Smith and told listeners that the Jaguars would move on from Blake Bortles if they could acquire either Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins. That is the first major domino to fall for KC. Another rumor has gained some traction, though this one is more circumstantial than insider reporting. Bills general manager Brandon Beane had a lengthy conversation at the Senior Bowl with super agent Tom Condon. Alex Smith is one of Condon’s top clients this offseason, and the fit between Buffalo and Smith makes sense. Other suitors will emerge I would think. The price will be bid up. If we must dump Hotrod, Alex is very high on my list,like the top spot.
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