1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 I was just reading that the Bills will take the 8.2 million cap hit in 2018 because of Wood's retirement. Retirement due to a career-ending injury should not be a cap hit. I think it is unfair that the league punish a team like this. The poor guy is not cleared to play, so why do we end up taking a hit? Is there any way the Bills can make a move like putting him on IR or medical leave or something so we do not take the hit? 2
Utah John Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 If teams could evade cap hits due to medical retirements, there'd be a lot of medical retirements. Except for kickers, every guy who's played in the NFL for a few years has something or other wrong, that could be used as an excuse. The salary cap would become much less restrictive than it is now. 1
ToGoGo Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 There should be a compromise. Get a third party doctor to check him out and if he agrees, remove part of the cap hit. Not that it can't be rigged, it's still better than giving a team an 8.2M cap hit because the guy can't play anymore (in the most violent sport in the world). 1
KingRex Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Its only unfair if different rules are applied to different teams or the same rule is inconsistently applied. Getting a huge cap hit for an injured player may be unfortunate, but it isn't necessarily unfair unless the rules are applied differently.
Bill Murray Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 The cap hit is due to his extension he signed being guaranteed for injury.
MJS Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Utah John said: If teams could evade cap hits due to medical retirements, there'd be a lot of medical retirements. Except for kickers, every guy who's played in the NFL for a few years has something or other wrong, that could be used as an excuse. The salary cap would become much less restrictive than it is now. What? That's ridiculous to say. Players aren't going to want to retire more often because of a rule change.
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, MJS said: What? That's ridiculous to say. Players aren't going to want to retire more often because of a rule change. No, but damn near every one of the big multi contract vets retires unhealthy was his point. gets dicey.
Buffalo716 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) He signed an extension that guaranteed his contract if injured... bad lingo in contract is why we have the cap hit Edited January 27, 2018 by Buffalo716
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Why are you blaming the league? Blame the guy that signed him to that deal.
USABuffaloFan Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Why are you blaming the league? Blame the guy that signed him to that deal. No blame, who could see this, broken leg maybe but not this. All is not lost, Bradley Bozeman from Alabama C
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 If the Bills are smart, they tell Wood to get suspended for the next two years. That way we get salary cap relief. 1
eSJayDee Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Actually, although it sucks, I think it is fair. He was already paid the $, and he performed for that $. The reason for the additional burden is that the cap hit was deferred, ie he was paid but the cap cost was pushed forward. It's just in this case, that cap hit is now paid all at once instead of spread out over the next few yrs.
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Can they rework his contract? Maybe pay him the money in another way that wouldn't be a cap hit? Seems to me I remember sometime back a Bills player retired and they did it like that but can't recall who.
artmalibu Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 2 things at play here 1 guaranteed money due to injury 2 signing bonus money that is spread over the life of the contract
Doc Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 The question is whether Wood's neck injury qualifies him for the $4.8M injury guarantee. It could be argued that it doesn't. And if the Bills wanted, they could have him repay the $4.3M remainder of his unamortized bonus, but I doubt they will.
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 27, 2018 Author Posted January 27, 2018 It's a tricky situation, but there should be some kind of rule that wouldn't handicap teams for career ending injuries. What if Luck has to retire, or Rodgers, Big Ben? Would those huge salaries drag those teams into cap hell? Teams should have the money to replace a comparable player at that position. Not the same amount, but something like the league average for a starter goes back to cap relief for the team that loses the player, or a compensatory draft pick based on the loss like free agency.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 5 hours ago, BillsRdue said: I was just reading that the Bills will take the 8.2 million cap hit in 2018 because of Wood's retirement. Retirement due to a career-ending injury should not be a cap hit. I think it is unfair that the league punish a team like this. The poor guy is not cleared to play, so why do we end up taking a hit? Is there any way the Bills can make a move like putting him on IR or medical leave or something so we do not take the hit? This is actually a good point. I wonder if they could IR him and work out an “injury settlement” or even whether he would agree to renegotiate his deal to offset the cap hit (get same cash but spread it out?) immediately followed by his release.
ColoradoBills Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: It's a tricky situation, but there should be some kind of rule that wouldn't handicap teams for career ending injuries. What if Luck has to retire, or Rodgers, Big Ben? Would those huge salaries drag those teams into cap hell? Teams should have the money to replace a comparable player at that position. Not the same amount, but something like the league average for a starter goes back to cap relief for the team that loses the player, or a compensatory draft pick based on the loss like free agency. Every team knows the contracts they have signed and can easily assess their risks. As to your question about cap hell, the Colts have 80 million in cap, they would have money to pay off Luck. Steelers are at minus 2 million right now, Losing a high priced Dead Money guys would hurt them a lot. It's one reason NOT to spend all your cap. A team needs insurance.
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 His dead cap number for 2018 is 10.3 million
CommonCents Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: The question is whether Wood's neck injury qualifies him for the $4.8M injury guarantee. It could be argued that it doesn't. And if the Bills wanted, they could have him repay the $4.3M remainder of his unamortized bonus, but I doubt they will. I don't know what they will do but I'm curious to see. So much was made about TT and his injury guarantee at the end of last season and possible taking the payout for the hip. Now Wood is in the same situation but he looks to actually be getting paid for the neck. Tough line of work either way so I have a hard time finding fault with anyone collecting that NFL money.
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