Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). Edited January 27, 2018 by Ittakestime 2 1
Augie Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 So....you’re a big fan? Context is missing on all of that. Context can be very important. 1
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Bills make playoffs, break 17-year drought <drops the mike>. 6 2 11
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Bills make playoffs, break 17-year drought <drops the mike>. So you really think Beane was the reason the Bills made the playoffs?
McBean Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 How many drafts has he been the main guy in charge? Is this thread a joke? 2
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: So you really think Beane was the reason the Bills made the playoffs? It was actually McBeane. They put the players together that got us over the hump. They have to be given credit for that. 2
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 And the OP's username was what again? LAMP 2 6
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: It was actually McBeane. They put the players together that got us over the hump. They have to be given credit for that. Besides what players I listed above, what players did Beane bring onto this team? He didn't hire the coaches, didn't sign the top FA (Poyer, Haush, Hyde), and didn't draft the players.
Rock'em Sock'em Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Would I have liked to have Watkins, Darius, Ragland, Seymore, and Darby against the Jags for the playoff game? Yes. Especially Darius and Watkins. Would we have made the playoffs with those good players on the roster? Not sure. Forgot trade for KB. In hindsight, I'll take the playoff appearance as well as KB and the stock pile of draft picks going into next year. 3
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Would I have liked to have Watkins, Darius, Ragland, Seymore, and Darby against the Jags for the playoff game? Yes. Especially Darius and Watkins. Would we have made the playoffs with those good players on the roster? Not sure. Forgot trade for KB. In hindsight, I'll take the playoff appearance as well as KB and the stock pile of draft picks going into next year. You are correct about KB, I will add. Thank you
HappyDays Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: Besides what players I listed above, what players did Beane bring onto this team? He didn't hire the coaches, didn't sign the top FA (Poyer, Haush, Hyde), and didn't draft the players. You're so close to finding the point on your own. Keep pushing. I believe in you. 3
LABILLBACKER Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: And the OP's username was what again? LAMP Pretty ironic. Welcome to the melenial world of instant gratification. Damn it Beane, you should've won a SB your first year. 1 1
Wily Dog Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year So, another Negative Nellie
JerseyBills Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Valid and true. I'd like to add Darby was for Matthews and KB Gaines was 9-4 in lineup. 17-13 is 4 games missed. We got a stud LT with our 2nd last year, if we got another stud player,we easily win that trade. Dareus was a straight money move. Wood was pure bad luck. Can't see that coming. Every GM has hits and misses. Gotta hit more than miss Edited January 27, 2018 by JerseyBills
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Quick review: Playoff appearances with Dareus, Sammy, Darby, Kevon, Clay Clay, Rags - 0 Playoff appearances without them - 1 It was addition by subtraction. They did not fit into the team dynamic McBeane was trying to instill here. I was a huge detractor of McBeane, but the results have won me over. THEY MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT THE DEAD WEIGHT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! 1 2
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Quick review: Playoff appearances with Dareus, Sammy, Darby, Kevon, Clay Clay, Rags - 0 Playoff appearances without them - 1 It was addition by subtraction. They did not fit into the team dynamic McBeane was trying to instill here. I was a huge detractor of McBeane, but the results have won me over. THEY MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT THE DEAD WEIGHT, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! few more key pieces and they can make a run at being a contender consistently? of course, it takes time. Edited January 27, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973 2
BADOLBILZ Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Beane picked right up where "Whaley" left off trading in the first round with Kansas City instead of.....ya' know......reaching out to QB-destitute Houston? and costing themselves the #4 pick in the draft..........and not picking up the Watkins 5th year option then selling him low........which did huge damage to the Bills 2017 offense and SW was poised for a huge year, which in a weak WR draft like this one, he'd be worth at least a late first round pick in trade instead of a late second rounder if you needed trade capital. This is really about McD's call on these issues. It's more than unlikely that Whaley would have wanted to pass on SW's 5th year option if it were up to him. We know McD's connection to Andy Reid was most likely how KC got that 1st round deal and the subsequent Ragland deal hooked up. They certainly didn't win 9 games because of any moves once Beane arrived......if anything they did it in spite of those moves. 1
klos63 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Watkins for Gaines and 2nd = Gaines hurt all year, something new each week. Darby for Matthews and 3rd = Matthews didn't even finish season from previous injuries. Wood 2 year extension = Wood retirement before contract even kicked in Seymour for Clay = Both players ended up contributing for Carolina Ragland for 4th = Ragland starting LB in KC Dareus for 5th = Dareus looking great for Jacksonville while we left with dead money Signed Rod Streater = Didn't play a snap this year Signed Boldin = Didn't play a snap this year Traded a 3rd for Benjamin = Benjamin getting hurt 2nd game here (knees were questioned as soon as trade went down, have always been an issue for him). signed a couple decent backup RB's during the season. Did he sign Deonte thompson? if so, not a bad move. It's ridiculous to overly criticize Beane at the juncture of his time as GM. Give him this offseason of free agency and drafting and let's see how the team performs.
Magox Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Gaines and a 2nd for Watkins? Bills have definitely gotten the better of that trade so far. Gaines was a much more valuable player for us than Watkins was for them. Plus who knows what the 2nd round pick will net. Darby wasn't a scheme fit, we heard that all year. So that was another decent trade, not as good as the Gaines and a 2nd for Watkins but a good one none the less. Ragland, we'll see. He looked good against us. I always was a fan of Ragland but he wasn't the type of MLB that McD wanted which is someone who will be able to cover a lot of ground and would also be good against the pass. But again, he did look good. Dareus, well. He certainly wasn't playing at a high level with the Bills over the past couple years and he is one strike away from being suspended for a very long time. But man did he look good against the Patriots, the kind of player that we saw a few years ago. One part of me wants to see him do well and another would hate to see him regain form for Jacksonville. They wanted to shed salary cap room for 2019 and beyond and they didn't believe he was going to regain form and he wasn't the kind of player they wanted. We'll see how that pans out. The true measure of Beane will be this off season. It is arguably one of the most critical off season's we have had in a long time and his prints will be all over it. 1
Ittakestime Posted January 27, 2018 Author Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Would I have liked to have Watkins, Darius, Ragland, Seymore, and Darby against the Jags for the playoff game? Yes. Especially Darius and Watkins. Would we have made the playoffs with those good players on the roster? Not sure. Forgot trade for KB. In hindsight, I'll take the playoff appearance as well as KB and the stock pile of draft picks going into next year. We were 9-7 a few years back and everyone viewed that as terrible. This year we had the same record. 1
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