JohnC Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Shurmer has said Eli has plenty of years left today too. The Giants 1st choice is a trade down I am more and more convinced every day. Pick #2 is in play for Buffalo. Are you teasing me to make me crazy? Are you raising my expectations in order to crush my soul? Are you toying with me? Do you consider me easy prey for your sadistic games? I would love for you to be right. However, my dream scenario is to make a less blockbuster deal to get Mayfield and pay a lesser price.
section122 Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Shurmer has said Eli has plenty of years left today too. The Giants 1st choice is a trade down I am more and more convinced every day. Pick #2 is in play for Buffalo. I have thought this since the end of the season. Gettleman having a working relationship with Beane is great news for the Bills. I'm not a big Darnold guy but I would love to see Buffalo move up and grab their guy! I'll keep banging this drum but the Bills might be the most attractive trade partner in the league due to having 2 first rounders this year. A trade down wouldn't force a gm to wait a year to reap the benefits. By the new chart it wold cost the Bills both first and both 2nds and they would get 2 and the giants 7th rounder. By the old chart it would be a bit heftier and cost the Bills a 2019 2nd rounder as well. Neither are crippling trades especially if the guy turns out to be a franchise type guy. 1
CommonCents Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I believe they should add a RB but I actually like Guice better than Barkley (who I love) so I’m the wrong person think about him at 2 lol Guice!!! Exactly right Yolo. They could pull a trade to the middle of the first round and still get the better back. If I'm them I'm taking a QB but if they stay put and take Barkley shame on them.
starrymessenger Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Both Browns and G-Men are taking QBs with their first picks. Darn old to Cleveland, Rosen to NY. If he’s not a Colt Barkley is taken by Cleveland at #4. JMO.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, starrymessenger said: Both Browns and G-Men are taking QBs with their first picks. Darn old to Cleveland, Rosen to NY. If he’s not a Colt Barkley is taken by Cleveland at #4. JMO. Darn old? So the Factory of Sadness will continue? 1
starrymessenger Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Darn old? So the Factory of Sadness will continue? On my phone. Courtesy of spell check.
The Jokeman Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, PolishDave said: No way. That would be idiotic. QB is far more valuable and far more of a game changer than Barkley is likely to be assuming both Barkley and the QB you pick are as good as you hope. If the Browns do that, they are completely insane. The Browns have enough draft capital that could likely move up to number 2 from number 4 if they really are worried about missing out on Barkley and/or their QB of choice. That said they have other needs that could be filled at number 4 if Barkley happens to go to the Giants, Colts or team X that trades up. 1
dave mcbride Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 I think people need to think hard about whether Eli Manning has physically declined. To my inexpert eye, he looks like the exact same player he was in 2010 with regard to his throwing ability and mobility. The cast around him has changed, however. He can obviously succeed if he has a good cast around him.
KD in CA Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Given their once in a generation draft slot, they'd have to be really sure Eli can and wants to play 3 more years to pass on a QB.
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 spoke with a Giant fan today . he said he would give me the two for 21, 22 this year and our 1 next year.
BillsClinton Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: spoke with a Giant fan today . he said he would give me the two for 21, 22 this year and our 1 next year. Was the Giant fan Dave Gettleman? Otherwise it's moot. 2
H2o Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, NewEraBills said: Not if they think Barkley is their guy and they fear the Colts or Browns take him in the next couple of picks. They'll sit at 2 and take him. I also think he is in the mix for the Browns @ #1 overall to be honest.
NewEraBills Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: That's a fair point. But they also need LBs and DTs. Players like Vita Vea, Da'Ron Payne, and Marcus Davenport can help any team out. Al Woods and Jonathan Hankins are JAGs. They need a lot of help. And they can pick them up in rds 2 and 3. You just don't pass on a guy like Chubb who has the talent and skills to be a generational guy just because some other team wants a QB. Teams have to factor in what's going to be the best move for them as well. I mean put yourself in that GMs shoes. Would you take a guy that has the talent and skills to be a generational player or would you take more picks just because some other team needs a QB? If I'm that GM I'm taking the guy that has the talent and skills to be a generational player. He'll be a big difference maker on my team opening day 2018. 1 hour ago, H2o said: I also think he is in the mix for the Browns @ #1 overall to be honest. And if he is then it's a foregone conclusion as to what the Browns are doing with the #4 pick. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 8 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Yup. What team has gone 7-9, 8-8, and 9-7 in the last three seasons? Only one I can think of! More seriously, it's less about them trading down in my view than them not taking a qb and going with Barkley. The Colts strike me as the ideal trade candidate because they really need help on their front seven and it seems to me that the #21 and #22 slots are the sweet spot for front-seven talent depth in this draft. I mentioned this in another thread but I wouldn't be surprised if Tre'Davious White could be made available in a move-up deal for a QB. If a team is looking at Minkah Fitzpatrick and thinking "cornerback" with him........White is probably Minkah's ceiling as a CB........ so perhaps a team like Indy or Cleveland would be in on that. My initial guess is it would take 3D and 2 more #1's to get up that high but perhaps they could get up there for much less if 3D is valued by Indy or Cleveland. And as blasphemous as that sounds because we love 3D.........the Bills might trust that they can relatively cheaply fill CB positions in their scheme......and would rather hold onto one or both of those 21/22 picks while still getting their young QB. Fwiw....if Carolina is the model.......they don't pay CB's.....so DE's and a great LB might be seen as more likely to be kept into a second contract and a better long term investment than even a proven stud in 3D.
JohnC Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 4 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: spoke with a Giant fan today . he said he would give me the two for 21, 22 this year and our 1 next year. Take the deal and then run.
Doc Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 The Giants are being smart talking up Barkley. They probably know the Colts really want him at #3 and might entice them to jump up a spot to take him.
Lfod Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 I agree with any argument here that makes the #2 pick available. 1
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 6 hours ago, KD in CA said: Given their once in a generation draft slot, they'd have to be really sure Eli can and wants to play 3 more years to pass on a QB. That’s why I think it’s short sighted to pass on a QB at 2. They will get one of the top 2 QBs without giving up a thing. Even if Eli can be resurrected for a year or two why not develop one of these super talented kids behind him? I think he would be a decent mentor. It’s also possible Eli sucks again and they turn to the rookie. But i think they risk winning like 6 or 7 games next year and then stuck drafting too late to get a top QB. Just do it. Jmo.
Dkollidas Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 I think they should take a QB. But I do wonder if they will. I could totally see this group group saying that they’re a Saquon Barkley away from a good playoff run. 1
Doc Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 The Giants will take a QB at 2 or 3 if they can get the Colts to move up a spot. Hear me now, believe me later.
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