26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: Moving into the top 5 is relatively easy. Last year the Chiefs moved onto the top 10 from 27 by trading their next year's first. The Bills could do the same thing. Trade into the top 10 by packaging 22 and next year's first. They could then make a deal with Indy or SF by trading the top ten pick and 21 to move into top 5. The bigger question is can this front office successfully identify a franchise QB? The Redskins failed with RGIII. The Eagles succeeded with Wentz. So how successful will the current front office be in the effort to find a true franchise QB? Passing on Watson last draft doesn't inspire confidence. If they're not confident about their ability to find a franchise QB in the draft class, then just trade a 2nd and next year's 3rd for Alex Smith and use the 1st round picks to build a dominant front 7. The current front office wasn't in place for the 2017 draft.
BillnutinHouston Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, NewEraBills said: Did Beane say they would not do it or did he simply say, "It's a high price to pay", or something along those lines? To my recollection, he said the former, not the latter.
Wayne Arnold Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 Good. Kirk Cousins or bust. Five picks in the first three rounds could be five spankin' new starters not even counting free agency. Is it March yet?
BillsFan4 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Moving up from 3 was a cheaper move then what we have now. IMO Carolina would have thought hard about taking the trade to move to 3 with extra picks, would they have done it? Who knows but it was never in discussion because IMO MD was the target not Cam. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-gm-explains-how-andrew-luck-spoiled-plan-to-draft-cam-newton/ Quote Still, the Bills, five years later, sound a tad disappointed with the outcome of that draft. Because at one point, they thought they were going to snag Newton. According to Bills general manager Doug Whaley -- then the assistant GM -- Andrew Luck's decision to remain at Stanford for another season cost the Bills their chance to draft Newton. "When we first started the draft process, we thought we'd have a good shot at Newton," Whaley told Sports Illustrated for its oral history of the 2011 draft. "[Stanford quarterback] Andrew Luck, had he come out, would have been the first pick. Denver was at No. 2, and they didn't need a QB. So we thought, 'We'll get Cam at No. 3.'" Cam was definitely the original target... I don't know if Whaley tried to move up for him or not, or if Carolina would have been willing to trade that pick. But the Bills did want Newton.
hemma Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 National reports pffft. I'm waiting for International consensus. Where does France stand on this?
ghostwriter Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I could see the Bills jumping up to 12 in a trade with Cinci to take Baker Mayfield. If it took one of our #1s and a #2, I could get onboard with it.
transplantbillsfan Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 We are currently in a 3 month window where you believe very little until it actually happens. Even things that "are currently happening" like Brian Hoyer being the Bills next QB last year are all things you don't believe until they actually happen. So good for the national media taking Beane's words to mean exactly what he said. I'm sure he makes sure to always say exactly what he thinks in the 3 month window between the season's end and the draft
Mat68 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 This is the talk out of both sides of you mouth time of year. They will not show there hand. QB is the a top priority so if they really want a Qb they will have to go get one. Allen, Rosen, Darnold are not going to fall to 21.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: We are currently in a 3 month window where you believe very little until it actually happens. Even things that "are currently happening" like Brian Hoyer being the Bills next QB last year are all things you don't believe until they actually happen. So good for the national media taking Beane's words to mean exactly what he said. I'm sure he makes sure to always say exactly what he thinks in the 3 month window between the season's end and the draft It's good practice to simply add the word 'today' to the end of any quotes coming out of Coaches of Front Office people.
Perry Turtle Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 57 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The current front office wasn't in place for the 2017 draft. True, the majority of the current staff wasn't in place during the '17 draft, but McDermott was, and he was the key decision-maker at the time. If McDermott wanted a QB at 10, the Bills would have drafted one. And his passing on Watson (and maybe Mahomes) does raise questions about his approach to the QB position. Maybe the new front office team will be able to influence McDermott's approach to finding a franchise QB this year, but as McDermott is still the franchise's key decision maker, there should be concerns if you want the Bills finally fix their 18 year old issues at QB in this draft. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Perry Turtle said: True, the majority of the current staff wasn't in place during the '17 draft, but McDermott was, and he was the key decision-maker at the time. If McDermott wanted a QB at 10, the Bills would have drafted one. And his passing on Watson (and maybe Mahomes) does raise questions about his approach to the QB position. Maybe the new front office team will be able to influence McDermott's approach to finding a franchise QB this year, but as McDermott is still the franchise's key decision maker, there should be concerns if you want the Bills finally fix their 18 year old issues at QB in this draft. Beane has made it clear that the final decision will be his with input from McDermott of course.
BmarvB Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I wouldn't do it. you never know if you're going to get the next Jim Kelly or Ryan Leaf, but if one does fall down, and they can get their guy by moving up only 3-5 spots without giving up too much, then consider it
Bflojohn78 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I Don't see something at QB being discussed and it is boldfaced, in my opinion! If the topic is literally about nearly 15 teams needing signal callers, what about positioning yourself with a talent poor team and getting a " leg up" on next year's crop? Ryan Finley might be the odds- on choice next year. Let the smoke clear, concentrate on building a ready made, bonified up and comer with the 2018 draft and let the dust fly while teams stumble all over themselves this year! The question then is positioning. Who is the likely trade partner now? I would say Indianapolis myself. Planning for 2019 is no different than the event in Dallas in April.
2003Contenders Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I will say this: if they really do believe that Darnold or Rosen (or whomever) legitimately projects to be a franchise QB, then they should do whatever it takes to move up for him. My guess is that will be hard to do, since so many other teams picking in the top 5 also have a real need for a QB. First, I hope that if they do try hard to move up for a certain guy and are unable to make that move, then they do not panic and trade up for another QB "just because". That is the mistake they made in 2004, when they thought they had a deal in the works to move up to Houston's spot and take Ben Roethlisberger. When Houston backed out and the Bills were unable to get in front of Pittsburgh to get Big Ben, Donahoe panicked and instead traded up for JP Losman. Uggg! I also hope they are not dead-set on taking a QB in the first round even if they believe that the draft class is weak -- a la 2013 when no QB coming out that year had a first round grade and they selected EJ anyway banking on upside. The world does not end if they can't land the QB they covet. There will be some guys available in the free agent market -- and it is smarter to build up the rest of the roster than significantly overpay for a questionable rookie QB. Obviously the free agency period, which opens in about 6 weeks, will give us a strong clue as to what the Bills will do in the draft. Depending on whom (if anyone) they acquire and what they give up (both potentially in terms of draft picks as well as $ paid to the veteran QB).
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 GREG MCELROY: "A LOT OF TALENT, GOOD DEPTH" (5:13) Bills' Insider Chris Brown and ESPN College Football Analyst Greg McElroy discuss the quarterback class at the Senior Bowl in Mobile Alabama.
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 8 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I still think Alex Smith is the guy they will target. I can’t see Bean selling the farm for any of these rookie QBs I agree. It will be A Smith on a 2-3 yr deal. They might consider a Rudolph @ 21 butbut there's no way they trade up for Allen or Mayfield. Darnold and Rosen will be gone immediately. Use these picks to continue rebuilding the defense and oline.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Author Posted January 26, 2018 IAN RAPOPORT: "THEY COULD MOVE AROUND" (4:35) Bills' Insider Chris Brown talks with NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport about the upcoming draft and QB options for the Bills from the Senior Bowl in Mobile Alabama.
GunnerBill Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 19 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Cam was definitely the original target... I don't know if Whaley tried to move up for him or not, or if Carolina would have been willing to trade that pick. But the Bills did want Newton. Buddy would have been the GM. 1
dave mcbride Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 22 hours ago, GG said: How does the adage go - You can't hit a home run without taking a swing? In light of the analytics team revamp, hopefully they can do the proper analysis on the rationale to move up in the draft. History is generally more favorable for moving up to draft QBs than for other positions Absolutely. Also, I'm not so sure Washington should have complete regret about RG3. He did, after all, have arguably the greatest season ever for a rookie qb in the nfl. If he hadn't gotten hurt and if Shanahan had remained empowered to use him as he should be used, we're possibly looking at a guy today who puts up Tyrod-like ratio numbers but multiplied by 1.5 (e.g. 25-30 passing tds and 700 rushing yards). A lot of things went wrong with him (much of it on the management front, from the terrible owner to the parents to the coaching situation), but it can't be argued that his rookie season wasn't freaking incredible. 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Buddy would have been the GM. If there ever was a season for the Bills to deliberately tank, it was that one. They started out 0-8! Sadly they went 4-4 the rest of the way.
GunnerBill Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: If there ever was a season for the Bills to deliberately tank, it was that one. They started out 0-8! Sadly they went 4-4 the rest of the way. Agree. Never understood that pointless rebound and why they allowed it to happen.
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