NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, buffalostu2 said: I thought there was information out there that McD's wife and Tolbert's are best friends and their families are very close. How is that lost by those who call it a head scratcher. Put him on the coaching staff not on the field. He's done. Lol
Chicharito Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 You can't fault this coaching staff on offensive blunders. Without a quarterback that can't read a defense and make the throws. I'm not sticking up for Denison but the man lost his job here like so many have before him due to the quarterback position being terrible. Let's judge what he can do IF we can get a top flight quarterback !
MTBill Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 When there are 5 'top flight' QBs in the league - some of whom have played >10 years... good luck getting that diamond in the rough. They are rare. What we need is an above average QB (tier 2 guy) - who the OC can make the most out of. Daboll seems like the man for that job. I'm not suggesting TT is above average, but it is unlikely any of this years "top talent" are going to be a top 5 QB the way Brady/Brees/Big Ben perennially are. Just looking at the odds based on the last 5 years "top QBs" who have not blown the doors off year in and years out to be 'elite'. Maybe Wentz or Jimmy G will be that, but I doubt it. There have been lots of 1-2 year pretenders. Smith is maybe that guy - but I don't know how hard they'll have to work to get a trade. I imagine that KC wants to keep him as plan B unless someone offers them a plan B (TT??). Trouble with TT as a plan B guy is he's too expensive to be a backup on the current contract.
Mark Vader Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was started by Savior Back-Up. Thankfully, it wasn't. The Bills are going to be making moves on both sides of the ball, we all know that, and the offense really needs help. Once free agency starts I don't expect the Bills to make a big splash. They could sign one big name player, maybe two, and I think that is being generous. Look for 2nd tier free agents to be the target. Although, that is not a bad thing. We saw what the Bills did with "lesser" talented players. I wasn't excited when we signed Jordan Poyer, and I wasn't that thrilled with E.J. Gaines. Look at how that turned out. My lone problem with McDermott & Co. is that we never had a viable back-up RB for LeSean McCoy. That has to change, and I believe it will. Most of us, if not, all of us did not expect to make the playoffs this season. Even if Cincinnati hadn't beaten Baltimore, I still would have been happy with the Bills season. I believe that this staff knows what they are doing, and I think they will make the right moves for us this off season. 1
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 8 hours ago, ricojes said: His best play... Yes, that is me.... Are you the guy hugging him, or the guy staring at his firm buttocks? 1
xRUSHx Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 You only go as far as your QB can take you in this QB driven league. Come draft time we will see if change will happen to the offense with better players or will it be more of the same wishing our D is better then most while our below average QB struggles to get more then a FG because changing only the OC is only half the problem.
3rdand12 Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 12 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: The Bills made some great offseason pkups last yr on Defense, Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Milano & Gaines were very good additions to this team. These additions were great in value and helped us break the 17yr drought . But what's the common theme here there all defensive players. Mcd being a defensive minded coach might had alot to do with these moves as he found guys that fit his scheme like a glove. What about the offense? What went wrong here? I think its safe to say none of these guys earned there keep on the field this yr and most alarming to me is none of these players offer much as far as difference maker talents. The Wrs are all big and slow and don't have much speed to spread the field. Dimarco and Tolbert are blah blah players that didn't contribute very much either. Is this a sign to be concerned about? DiMarco - where was all the passes he was supposed to catch? Plus he's not even that good of a blocker Tolbert - the biggest head scratcher of them all . I see how he brings a leadership role to the team but he should never be a #2 RB in the NFL. Actually he never has in his 12 seasons. He was always a FB/ short yardage bk Zay, Matthews & Benjamin These 3 i can say the same thing bout big & slow can't separate is this how we want our wrs looking from here on out. Do we have reason to be concerned about the lack of talent evaluation on the offensive side of the ball. excellent blocker reasonable catcher Dimarco Tolbert? locker room value has passed imho. But so poorly used by Dennison. should have been busting jaw not running screens flares and dump offs eh ? Zay wtf know what happened there ? !! Matthews is a bust for us. Benjamin? Thats another story. I want to keep him around and help him improve. Getting him healthy should allow Coaches to see if he has enough value none of them made enough of a difference this past season though. so Yes we should be concerned about how the offense was built last season. Very. Because it has to be corrected 11 hours ago, corta765 said: Your over thinking with the offensive side. The Bills at one point did have Watkins, Boldin, & Zay and at the time most NFL media said the Bills had one of the better WR corps out there. McD didn't trade Sammy that was Beane and he had to take that lump. Benjamin trade was suppose to have helped the WR corp same with Matthews but both had injuries that really did effect their play to the point Matthews was on IR and Benjamin was only good for catching passes forget yards after. I know people don't like to hear it but injuries like that really do effect what you can do. On the plus Deonte Thompson was brought in and played a very good role and I think Nick O'Leary had his best year to date same with Clay when healthy. The bigger issue to me was his choice of Dennison who I will defend a little by saying the sum of the parts he had wasn't much and he still had some nice games late against MIA that helped clinch the playoffs. That said McD's pick of Dennison went against every strength Taylor had because of the scheme which didn't make sense from day 1. Additionally I didn't like how conservative they got in the 2nd half if they had a sizeable lead. I am not sure if that was more McD or Dennison but in the end the coach can dictate how that goes and I hope he has learned from it. So overall I think it was more a case of some good some bad and we never really got to see what the offense would've been had Benjamin, Clay, & Matthews all been healthy as a group. I very much like his pick of Sabol very creative mind and I want to reserve judgement on a lot until the off season is finished. will Sabol be picking his players? I am less pleased than you. You mentioned Deonte and thats is when you lost me. Speed theat? who has trouble running routes. I cannot find WR in the bunch who are worth notice. 8 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: You only go as far as your QB can take you in this QB driven league. Come draft time we will see if change will happen to the offense with better players or will it be more of the same wishing our D is better then most while our below average QB struggles to get more then a FG because changing only the OC is only half the problem. again. one of the worst WRs group in the league. How did that happen?
3rdand12 Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Are you the guy hugging him, or the guy staring at his firm buttocks? it seems you are the one who noticed but now that you mention them... Edited January 26, 2018 by 3rdand12 1
Chandler#81 Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 I agree with the OP regarding poor offensive players, but firing the OC because of them is very Rex-like..
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 8:15 AM, MrEpsYtown said: The reason the offense didn't work was Tyrod Taylor's inability to play from the pocket, and his aversion to taking any sort of chances. There are times in a game in which you need to take a shot. Sometimes those long interceptions turn into long punts. Dennison's play calling didn't help. DiMarco should have been used more in the running game. He had been graded as the best fullback in the league for a few years and suddenly did nothing. I don't think he was used properly. I think Daboll will use him as he started his career with him and Kansas City and NE does make use of a fullback. I think they may have wanted more versatility and that is why they were in on Kyle Juszczyk. I think they wanted a guy who could be Patrick DiMarco and Nick O'Leary in one. I think we saw a lot of DiMarco's reps go to O'Leary honestly. I think they just liked 11 an 12 personnel more than 21 personnel. Tolbert I thought was signed to be a locker room cheerleader, then J. Williams was cut. I don't understand his presence on the field and literally screamed at the TV any time he was in the game. He did fumble in the snow game though, so there's that. Matthews was a weird fit and I honestly hated that trade. I didn't like the pick of Zay Jones either. I actually really wanted Cooper Kupp. Hindsight says we should have pick Smith-Schuster. I love teh KB trade. He is teh type of player we have not had in a long time. He is a game changer if we have a quarterback who can get him the ball. Daboll will make a big difference picking offensive personnel in my opinion. All 3 of those receivers had speed questions. On the Zay scouting page it said this though and i giggled... "I thought along with Haason Reddick, he handled the process better than anybody in college football. He's got hands and toughness. ... People thought he couldn't run because most of his offense was underneath. I'll tell you right now, he ran away from people at the Senior Bowl. He went from a third- or fourth-round selection to a high second-round because he trusted the process." -- Mike Mayock 1
liverpoolkev Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) On 1/25/2018 at 8:14 AM, VirginiaMike said: Agree with MTBill here. I expect Benjamin will have a much better year this coming year. Still not sure on Jones, but he deserves another year. We do need some speed in this position. We absolutely need another RB and I don't think whoever it will be is on the roster today. Shandy still is great, but we need a tandem and it's not Tolbert. Fact is, the RB problem was coach driven he wanted his buddy Tolbert on the team even though he should have been cut . WR problem was also caused by the coach . Kelvin Benjamin is nothing more than a TE front office continue their ineptitude with trading for Jordan Mathews. I don't trust any regime that has a different agenda other than the best players get to play.... Edited January 26, 2018 by liverpoolkev
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, liverpoolkev said: Fact is, the RB problem was coach driven he wanted his buddy Tolbert on the team even though he should have been cut . WR problem was also caused by the coach . Kelvin Benjamin is nothing more than a TE front office continue their ineptitude with trading for Jordan Mathews. I don't trust any regime that has a different agenda other than the best players get to play.... Both players got hurt when they arrived, it was more bad luck than anything else.
MJS Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) The defense WAS the concern this year. They were absolutely right to focus on the defense. And it still needs a lot of work. Bring in a good QB and the offense is fine. I say bring in a QB but continue to build a dominant defense, then focus on rebuilding the oline and find more weapons on offense. You can always compete with a dominant defense. Edited January 26, 2018 by MJS 1
JerseyBills Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Dawkins is a stud. Zay has upside, Thompson has upside . Benjamin has #1 WR potential, though I'd love to add a proven#1 or 2 WR and we got Zay/Thompson as 3-4. I think they really keyed in on defense because of the switch back to a 43 and had to make major changes,where as the O I feel Dennison believed he could work with what we had. OC was the biggest issue. Lack of creativity was mind boggling. Love the new hire though and better quality at QB will make a huge difference. 2 minutes ago, MJS said: The defense WAS the concern this year. They were absolutely right to focus on the defense. And it still needs a lot of work. Bring in a good QB and the offense is fine. I say bring in a QB but continue to build a dominant defense, then focus on rebuilding the oline and find more weapons on offense. You can always compete with a dominant defense. Totally agree. And with that secondary, we are close to having an elite defense, I feel we hit the jackpot on secondary for this scheme. Now they can strictly focus on front 7 and that's much easier to find for this scheme. I fully expect us to be a top contender next year, they are really building something special. I haven't been this sold on a front office in my life as a Bills fan
bmur66 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 I am amazed Shady made it through 17 games. They were going to ride him as far as he would take them. There was no plan b. They weren't going to tank by sucking. They were going to tank by attrition. That just didn't work out they way they thought it would. I expect this off season plan to be totally different.
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