Success Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I say we flip the script. Let’s root like crazy for them this time, and if they win, celebrate like Dalton just hit a 4th and 12. Who’s with me? It would shock our Pats trolls to come here and see threads like “They did it!!!!!” and “Way to go, Tommy!” 1
Happy Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, mjt328 said: To me, the entire history of the New England Patriots run has been suspect from the start. Bill Belichick had losing records in 5 out of his 6 first years as head coach. Tom Brady was a 6th Round draft pick, who really wasn't that great in college. To this day, even after 15+ years of absolute dominance, you probably can't name even ONE long-term player on those Patriots teams (outside of Brady and probably Rob Gronkowski) who will be a lock for the Hall of Fame. You would be hard pressed to find any long-term Patriots who even have a chance. Maybe Randy Moss, who was there for 3 seasons. Probably Darrell Revis, who was there for 1 season. Front office people find success in New England, then go elsewhere and fail. Coordinators and coaches find success in New England, then go elsewhere and fail. Players find success in New England, then go elsewhere and fail. What is it about the Patriots culture/system that is so impossible to duplicate? Every other successful dynasty in the history of the NFL has yielded copycats. Every successful dynasty has also eventually been figured out, or fallen victim to players retiring, leaving or getting older. The Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys lasted literally half this time on top. But nothing has stopped the Patriots from rolling. Not even having a 40 Year Old Quarterback. What we are witnessing is unlike anything that has EVER occurred in NFL history. It's not just an underdog beating the odds, or the natural process of records being broken. It's completely obliterating every standard and limit that has existed since the NFL was created in 1920. People try comparing Brady to Michael Jordan. But basketball has always been a sport that could be dominated by a single individual. Football has always been an ultimate team sport. But the Patriots are consistently unstoppable with a bunch of no-names poached from other teams. It's ridiculous. The first comparison that comes to my mind is when baseball saw Roger Maris' home run record stand for DECADES, only to be suddenly destroyed in 3 straight years by Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds. It was logical that someone would eventually break the record. But when it suddenly became easy, you knew something was off. You knew something was wrong. And sure enough, those players were all using steroids. Even before Spygate and Deflategate, there were tons of rumors about the Patriots CHEATING. There have been questionable calls from the refs coming in their favor since that first season and the Tuck Rule. I think part of the reason people HATE the Patriots is because they know (even if it hasn't all been found and uncovered) that something is NOT RIGHT about what we are witnessing... You can find it all over this message board. You can find it all over Twitter. You even hear players and announcers utter it sometimes. Someday we are going to learn the truth about the "New England Dynasty." It might not be pretty. Great post and well thought out/reasoned. History can't look back at this dynasty soon enough. But will there be enough evidence left? To the best of my knowledge, the NFL destroyed all the spygate evidence. It's amazing how many people just look past their cheating and disregard of the "spirit of the rule" (wide receiver not running the route vs Baltimore) and BS calls that always seem to go their way. Hope the Eagles can take care of business, though I'd feel much better about it if Cason Wentz was playing.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I grew up in Buffalo watching, every Sunday, Jim Brown be the greatest possible running back imaginable and Johnny Unitas, calling all his own plays and truly exemplifying original thinking and incredible execution on the football field. I appreciate greatness and the Patriots are just that. Some of the supposed cheating doesn't help (me or any other football fans) but doesn't dim the fact that these guys are exceptionally good year after year and have the best coach in the game, hands down. As Bills fans, having the Patriots in our division and having to so frequently be embarrassed by them is certainly a major, continual, turn off. It's damned frustrating. And for many, it's pure and simple, conscious or unconscious jealousy. We fight it off with excuses about cheating and biased officiating, not that there may not be some of both, to perpetuate hate for the Pats. That's not illogical. But the bottom line is they're a great team, have been for a long time, and we just have to get better and not make the kind of draft, coaching, and player acquisition mistakes we continually make. So GO BILLS, and have one hell of a draft. 1
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 This is an easy question. Watch a Patriots game. The blatant calls they get are so disgusting. The way the refs constantly give them PI calls to extend drives, penalize the opposition with holding calls and an assortment of drive stopping gems. Then if all else fails, they start with the damn catch rule and use it whatever way favors the Pats. It's so bias and disgusting, no wonder they are hated. The #fakenews video circulating about them is so true, but it's satire. This team is not the greatest, not invincible and not even ahead of all the other teams in the league. If officiated fairly, the Pats would be 10-6 this year and would not have made the SB. They probably would have achieved half of what they did. Still a good team, but not the dominating Gods the NFL has chosen to make them.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Captain Murica said: That's true but it seems a majority of fan bases feel the same way North Dakota is rooting for the Pats? What in the world did Wentz do to North Dakota?
Ol Dirty B Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Manning is a douche bag too... I don't want to see anyone outside of the Bills be great. !@#$ the rest of the NFL At least, Brady is a clutch douche bag and so is Bill. Manning sounds like a bumbling moron all the time, !@#$ Papa Johns too, and Nation wide. Edited January 25, 2018 by Ol Dirty B
Mango Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Maybe if they had a better HC than Dungy, they would have made this dream come true... THIS! Polian has a pattern that hiring “leader of men”. Guys who are soft spoken in a number of ways, leaders of men. But not great football mines in terms of scheme. Polian hires men who have a lot of “yes man” in them. Polian needs a guys who lets him put together his roster the way he sees fit. guys who let the talent play, but never out coach anybody. This model will make a lot of teams better, and elite, year after year. But never a dynasty like the Pats. On one hand, it made his teams great. On the other it’s the reason Manning and the Bills don’t have more rings. You mentioned McCarthy. My opinion, mediocre coach with a great QB. Without Rodgers, he is toast. If Rodgers is good for 3-4 wins per year, they are a 5-7 win team. ouch 1
row_33 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: I grew up in Buffalo watching, every Sunday, Jim Brown be the greatest possible running back imaginable and Johnny Unitas, calling all his own plays and truly exemplifying original thinking and incredible execution on the football field. I appreciate greatness and the Patriots are just that. Some of the supposed cheating doesn't help (me or any other football fans) but doesn't dim the fact that these guys are exceptionally good year after year and have the best coach in the game, hands down. As Bills fans, having the Patriots in our division and having to so frequently be embarrassed by them is certainly a major, continual, turn off. It's damned frustrating. And for many, it's pure and simple, conscious or unconscious jealousy. We fight it off with excuses about cheating and biased officiating, not that there may not be some of both, to perpetuate hate for the Pats. That's not illogical. But the bottom line is they're a great team, have been for a long time, and we just have to get better and not make the kind of draft, coaching, and player acquisition mistakes we continually make. So GO BILLS, and have one hell of a draft. Thanks, great post!
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 You could have just summed up the Pats** with one word: Tainted
sleeby Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) "Why isn't this cool to see?" Because we're also in the afc east; and they cheat. . . Edited January 25, 2018 by sleeby
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 11 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Imagine an alternate universe, where the Colts with Manning and Dungy were going for SB title #6. Manning has all the career and single season passing records as it is now, but his Colts team has been winning instead of NE. Brady has 2 rings, 1 with NE and 1 with the Broncos, after being traded. Peyton is going for ring #6 in less than 2 weeks. I would want to see it, because it would be cool. Rack up the stats! Rack up the rings! Or if it were Rogers and Green Bay going for #5 or #6. Again, cool story I would think. Of if the Seahawks kept their team rolling and the Legion of Boom was looking for #3 or #4 by now. I would find it fun to watch. Typically I am all for seeing great teams and players rack up accolades. I WANT to see a team go 19-0 (just not NE for some reason). I want to see some QB come in and throw 60 TD in a season and 6,000 yards. I want to see a RB break Emmitt Smith's career yardage mark. But somehow, I have always hated NE and Brady and wanted them to fall short. It has nothing to do with the division. I could care less honestly. I think, for me, that it's about the Tuck Rule and Spygate vs the Rams. And the Chargers with my man Marty as coach winning the game in the playoffs vs NE on an interception only to fumble the damn thing right back and give Brady another shot. Early on every BS thing went their way, and I've just always hated them for it. But there is something else, something intangible that drives me nuts about them. Every time I want to say "ok, cool, they are just this generation's 49ers" another scandal, story, or some nonsense like the illegal formations vs. the Ravens a couple years ago comes out that just makes it feel like they are a great team that also has ticky tack ways to beat you. I think them being called the greatest of all time with 3 point SB wins involving stolen signals and the failure of TWO teams to just run the ball makes it worse. I honestly think it would have been easier to swallow if they steamrolled teams in their Super Bowl wins and the tuck rule was never a thing. Spygate was sort of annoying, but to me it didn't move the needle a ton. It was just another reason to dislike them more than anything else. Deflategate was just a joke. So, what is it about NE? Or are you just excited to see greatness when they play? Not to mention all the calls they get . Which some think is a product of bad officiating and i think it's a product of Manufactured Dynasty. Bad officiating goes both ways sooner or later the bad should go towards the Pats but somehow there immune to this. Therefore its not a coincidence. This is why i hate the Pats.
swnybillsfan Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 11 hours ago, kdiggz said: Belichick and Brady are proven cheaters. this is my answer. it is a game. you cheat the game, multiple times, and you are junk.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 12 hours ago, row_33 said: Eagles are hated more than the Pats by NFC fans. Lolno
Livinginthepast Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: NE is a paradox. They have legitimate greatness at HC and QB They also have been caught cheating - which makes one wonder what cheating has not been caught The number of penalties called against them vs opponents is disparate enough that one questions whether it can result from coaching and player discipline They regularly push the envelope on interpretation of the rules (e.g., playoffs vs Ravens) The sad thing to me is I think they have the talent to win without cheating and envelope-pushing but they do anyway So no, while I have watched them, I can't just enjoy it the way I would if it were GB or the 49ers or N'Orleans or Pitts. Lately the ref'ing has been driving me to switch off - though not unique to the Pats games I have always thought this!! They are good enough to win anyway, why even cheat on a slight scale that might tarnish the team/ the dynasty when you don't have to?? Its just weird.
Chris66 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 People hated the Bills by 1994. There wasnt an internet for you guys to see it, but it existed. Fortunately the salary cap killed that budding dynasty.
Gordio Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 9 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: I grew up in Buffalo watching, every Sunday, Jim Brown be the greatest possible running back imaginable and Johnny Unitas, calling all his own plays and truly exemplifying original thinking and incredible execution on the football field. I appreciate greatness and the Patriots are just that. Some of the supposed cheating doesn't help (me or any other football fans) but doesn't dim the fact that these guys are exceptionally good year after year and have the best coach in the game, hands down. As Bills fans, having the Patriots in our division and having to so frequently be embarrassed by them is certainly a major, continual, turn off. It's damned frustrating. And for many, it's pure and simple, conscious or unconscious jealousy. We fight it off with excuses about cheating and biased officiating, not that there may not be some of both, to perpetuate hate for the Pats. That's not illogical. But the bottom line is they're a great team, have been for a long time, and we just have to get better and not make the kind of draft, coaching, and player acquisition mistakes we continually make. So GO BILLS, and have one hell of a draft. It is not supposed cheating. They cheated , they got caught & the league destroyed the evidence. It makes you wonder what they haven't been caught at doing. So knock the crap about this supposed stuff.
Cmdjr85 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 16 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Imagine an alternate universe, where the Colts with Manning and Dungy were going for SB title #6. Manning has all the career and single season passing records as it is now, but his Colts team has been winning instead of NE. Brady has 2 rings, 1 with NE and 1 with the Broncos, after being traded. Peyton is going for ring #6 in less than 2 weeks. I would want to see it, because it would be cool. Rack up the stats! Rack up the rings! Or if it were Rogers and Green Bay going for #5 or #6. Again, cool story I would think. Of if the Seahawks kept their team rolling and the Legion of Boom was looking for #3 or #4 by now. I would find it fun to watch. Typically I am all for seeing great teams and players rack up accolades. I WANT to see a team go 19-0 (just not NE for some reason). I want to see some QB come in and throw 60 TD in a season and 6,000 yards. I want to see a RB break Emmitt Smith's career yardage mark. But somehow, I have always hated NE and Brady and wanted them to fall short. It has nothing to do with the division. I could care less honestly. I think, for me, that it's about the Tuck Rule and Spygate vs the Rams. And the Chargers with my man Marty as coach winning the game in the playoffs vs NE on an interception only to fumble the damn thing right back and give Brady another shot. Early on every BS thing went their way, and I've just always hated them for it. But there is something else, something intangible that drives me nuts about them. Every time I want to say "ok, cool, they are just this generation's 49ers" another scandal, story, or some nonsense like the illegal formations vs. the Ravens a couple years ago comes out that just makes it feel like they are a great team that also has ticky tack ways to beat you. I think them being called the greatest of all time with 3 point SB wins involving stolen signals and the failure of TWO teams to just run the ball makes it worse. I honestly think it would have been easier to swallow if they steamrolled teams in their Super Bowl wins and the tuck rule was never a thing. Spygate was sort of annoying, but to me it didn't move the needle a ton. It was just another reason to dislike them more than anything else. Deflategate was just a joke. So, what is it about NE? Or are you just excited to see greatness when they play? Tuck rule? Key word is rule! And taping opponents signals would have what advantage? You see only 3 teams 2x in a season outside of making the playoffs. And surley coaches change them up game to game.
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 If they didn't cheat they would have my respect. I can't respect a cheater or anyone that supports them. 4 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said: Tuck rule? Key word is rule! And taping opponents signals would have what advantage? You see only 3 teams 2x in a season outside of making the playoffs. And surley coaches change them up game to game. Recording the walk thru the day before the superbowl might have an affect on the game. I doubt the rams changed everything up after their last practice before the super bowl.
Cmdjr85 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: If they didn't cheat they would have my respect. I can't respect a cheater or anyone that supports them. Recording the walk thru the day before the superbowl might have an affect on the game. I doubt the rams changed everything up after their last practice before the super bowl. Lay out 100% undeniable proof that this actually occured.
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said: Lay out 100% undeniable proof that this actually occured. Lay out 100% undeniable proof that it didnt. They've been caught and penalized for cheating multiple times. One of them was for recording the other teams. Edited January 25, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos
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