Lfod Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...yup...his extensive body of work has allowed you to reach this conclusion..........got it....Jesus.........I'd love to come here as a drafted rook.......and would leave my car running............ Well if Peterman ever turns out to be good there will be no shortage of doubters to push off the bandwagon.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lfod said: Well if Peterman ever turns out to be good there will be no shortage of doubters to push off the bandwagon. ...well, the 5th ROUND PICK did have minis, OTA's, some pre-season work, ONE start and some mop up duty which is a TBD "career" by definition.....his bandwagon already has one wheel and it's leaking.....WELCOME NATE.......... Edited January 26, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Lfod Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...well, the 5th ROUND PICK did have minis, OTA's, some pre-season work, ONE start and some mop up duty which is a TBD "career" by definition.....his bandwagon already has one wheel and it's leaking............. I can understand people jumping to conclusions. I myself would like to see more until I'm convinced. I was the same way with Tyrod. When others hated on him I wanted him to become elite. It sucks they probably will be right but I myself think he deserves more of a chance. I would be happy to struggle with any rookie if it meant the team finally having a name at QB. I'd like the thought of actually developing a QB instead of plugging in different guys till we get lucky. I'm on record that I wouldn't hate Peterman starting. My only reason is hope. Edited January 27, 2018 by Lfod
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lfod said: I can understand people jumping to conclusions. I myself would like to see more until I'm convinced. I was the same way with Tyrod. When others hated on him I wanted him to become elite. It sucks they probably will be right but I myself think he deserves more of a chance. I would be happy to struggle with any rookie if it meant the team finally having a name at QB. ...if that was MY window to prove myself in Buffalo, I'd never come here if TBD ran the OBD show.....but then again, you now know why the "One & Done Gang" has yet to yield an NFL GM (COUGH)....Tyrod is a whole different story.....four years as an understudy and three as a starter is a FAR bigger window of assessment for analysis......and I CERTAINLY wanted the kid to fulfill his NFL dream and succeed.....if that happened, wouldn't Buffalo succeed as well?.....hating him or hoping for failure was proverbial Azzclown 101 thinking..........
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Lfod said: I can understand people jumping to conclusions. I myself would like to see more until I'm convinced. I was the same way with Tyrod. When others hated on him I wanted him to become elite. It sucks they probably will be right but I myself think he deserves more of a chance. I would be happy to struggle with any rookie if it meant the team finally having a name at QB. I'd like the thought of actually developing a QB instead of plugging in different guys till we get lucky. I'm on record that I wouldn't hate Peterman starting. My only reason is hope. you'll see more, that is if he is part of the plan going forward? he'll get his reps in camp/preseason again but he'll be on the sideline as the back up watching when the season comes around. that's where I see him and anyone should be able to see (or saw, he's still raw) he is far from an nfl caliber starting QB and still needs to work on competing for the #2 position which he may earn, could drop to #3 if the rookie shows promise.? if he were to learn a system and prove he can be at the ready when his number is called and settle down some I believe he will make a fine back up. maybe not frank reich level but definitely better then thigpen or any of the other scrubs they had in the past at back up. he was literally thrown to the wolves and failed the test but if he is still on the roster come september, then they must of seen enough potential to compete for #2? Edited January 27, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973
Lfod Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: you'll see more, that is if he is part of the plan going forward? he'll get his reps in camp/preseason again but he'll be on the sideline as the back up watching when the season comes around. that's where I see him and anyone should be able to see (or saw, he's still raw) he is far from an nfl caliber starting QB and still needs to work on competing for the #2 position which he may earn, could drop to #3 if the rookie shows promise.? if he were to learn a system and prove he can be at the ready when his number is called and settle down some I believe he will make a fine back up. maybe not frank reich level but definitely better then thigpen or any of the other scrubs they had in the past at back up. he was literally thrown to the wolves and failed the test but if he is still on the roster come september, then they must of seen enough potential to compete for #2? I'll agree he was thrown to the wolves and failed his first test. Was he given proper development? I'd say the Bills track record for developing QBs isn't stellar. I cut him a little slack because the offense was terrible. They fired the OC. The offense scored 3 points in a playoff game. I never expected him to be the one guy to turn around that entire mess. Even Tyrod got murdered a few times on that offense. He threw a few picks and took long sacks and was knocked out of games. In the end I like McDermott a lot and whatever he decides to do I respect. You don't learn to ride a bike without falling down. The best people at thier craft fail at first. I think it's a little unfair to write him off even though people are probably gonna be right. The NFL is no joke man. Edited January 27, 2018 by Lfod
Wily Dog Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: you'll see more, that is if he is part of the plan going forward? he'll get his reps in camp/preseason again but he'll be on the sideline as the back up watching when the season comes around. that's where I see him and anyone should be able to see (or saw, he's still raw) he is far from an nfl caliber starting QB and still needs to work on competing for the #2 position which he may earn, could drop to #3 if the rookie shows promise.? if he were to learn a system and prove he can be at the ready when his number is called and settle down some I believe he will make a fine back up. maybe not frank reich level but definitely better then thigpen or any of the other scrubs they had in the past at back up. he was literally thrown to the wolves and failed the test but if he is still on the roster come september, then they must of seen enough potential to compete for #2? Thanks for your ringing endorsement of NP. Peterman went through the number 3 to number two last year. The "thats where i see him", does not make it so and the rest of your post is conjecture. you are entitled to your opinion but that's all
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lfod said: I'll agree he was thrown to the wolves and failed his first test. Was he given proper development? I'd say the Bills track record for developing QBs isn't stellar. I cut him a little slack because the offense was terrible. They fired the OC. The offense scored 3 points in a playoff game. I never expected him to be the one guy to turn around that entire mess. In the end I like McDermott a lot and whatever he decides to do I respect. You don't learn to ride a bike without falling down. The best people at thier craft fail at first. this is true. he still is, in my opinion, a back up. I wasn't necessarily knocking him for failing and was using the little time he had as an early gauge. in that frame, he failed. even the snow game when he dove in to the opponents helmet. it should be coached back in midget league and ingrained in their minds that you slide son, slide. he has much to learn going forward. different views, it's what it's all about and keeps things interesting. 2 minutes ago, Wily Dog said: Thanks for your ringing endorsement of NP. Peterman went through the number 3 to number two last year. The "thats where i see him", does not make it so and the rest of your post is conjecture. you are entitled to your opinion but that's all well thank you
ColoradoBills Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: You better hope Peterman is cut because he is not even a backup QB, and you can take that to the bank of your 5th rounder, although what McDermott wants Mcdermott gets unfortunately. I don't buy into this "McDermott thinks NP is the man" stuff. He has to know the odds of Peterman being even a decent backup are slim. Here's a list of the 32 QBs drafted in the 5th over the past 20 years. I don't see one starter and only a few decent backups. 2017 5 171 Nathan Peterman QB Pittsburgh Buffalo Bills 2016 5 162 Kevin Hogan QB Stanford Kansas City Chiefs 2015 5 147 Brett Hundley QB UCLA Green Bay Packers 2014 5 163 Aaron Murray QB Georgia Kansas City Chiefs 2014 5 164 AJ McCarron QB Alabama Cincinnati Bengals 2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa Kansas City Chiefs 2011 5 152 T.J Yates QB North Carolina Houston Texans 2011 5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho Chicago Bears 2010 5 155 John Skelton QB Fordham Arizona Cardinals 2010 5 168 Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee San Diego Chargers 2009 5 151 Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston State New York Giants 2009 5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State San Francisco 49ers 2008 5 137 John David Booty QB USC Minnesota Vikings 2008 5 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon Pittsburgh Steelers 2008 5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2008 5 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee New York Jets 2007 5 151 Jeff Rowe QB Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB Ohio State Baltimore Ravens 2006 5 148 Ingle Martin QB Furman Green Bay Packers 2006 5 164 Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green State Pittsburgh Steelers 2005 5 145 Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut Detroit Lions 2005 5 152 Adrian McPherson QB Florida State New Orleans Saints 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State Chicago Bears 2003 5 163 Brian St. Pierre QB Boston College Pittsburgh Steelers 2002 5 137 Randy Fasani QB Stanford Carolina Panthers 2002 5 158 Kurt Kittner QB Illinois Atlanta Falcons 2002 5 163 Brandon Doman QB Brigham Young San Francisco 49ers 2002 5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State-Louisiana Green Bay Packers 2001 5 149 Mike McMahon QB Rutgers Detroit Lions 2001 5 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon Philadelphia Eagles 2000 5 163 Tee Martin QB Tennessee Pittsburgh Steelers 1999 5 151 Kevin Daft QB California-Davis Tennessee Titans
Lfod Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: this is true. he still is, in my opinion, a back up. I wasn't necessarily knocking him for failing and was using the little time he had as an early gauge. in that frame, he failed. even the snow game when he dove in to the opponents helmet. it should be coached back in midget league and ingrained in their minds that you slide son, slide. he has much to learn going forward. different views, it's what it's all about and keeps things interesting. I agree completely. I think the only difference in our view is if he's a finished product or not. To be clear, I am not in any way saying he will be good. I'm just still holding on to hope because its not exactly raining options and I want the team to find it's own answers within. That's my dream scenario.
BillsFan130 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I don't buy into this "McDermott thinks NP is the man" stuff. He has to know the odds of Peterman being even a decent backup are slim. Here's a list of the 32 QBs drafted in the 5th over the past 20 years. I don't see one starter and only a few decent backups. 2017 5 171 Nathan Peterman QB Pittsburgh Buffalo Bills 2016 5 162 Kevin Hogan QB Stanford Kansas City Chiefs 2015 5 147 Brett Hundley QB UCLA Green Bay Packers 2014 5 163 Aaron Murray QB Georgia Kansas City Chiefs 2014 5 164 AJ McCarron QB Alabama Cincinnati Bengals 2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa Kansas City Chiefs 2011 5 152 T.J Yates QB North Carolina Houston Texans 2011 5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho Chicago Bears 2010 5 155 John Skelton QB Fordham Arizona Cardinals 2010 5 168 Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee San Diego Chargers 2009 5 151 Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston State New York Giants 2009 5 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State San Francisco 49ers 2008 5 137 John David Booty QB USC Minnesota Vikings 2008 5 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon Pittsburgh Steelers 2008 5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2008 5 162 Erik Ainge QB Tennessee New York Jets 2007 5 151 Jeff Rowe QB Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB Ohio State Baltimore Ravens 2006 5 148 Ingle Martin QB Furman Green Bay Packers 2006 5 164 Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green State Pittsburgh Steelers 2005 5 145 Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut Detroit Lions 2005 5 152 Adrian McPherson QB Florida State New Orleans Saints 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State Chicago Bears 2003 5 163 Brian St. Pierre QB Boston College Pittsburgh Steelers 2002 5 137 Randy Fasani QB Stanford Carolina Panthers 2002 5 158 Kurt Kittner QB Illinois Atlanta Falcons 2002 5 163 Brandon Doman QB Brigham Young San Francisco 49ers 2002 5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State-Louisiana Green Bay Packers 2001 5 149 Mike McMahon QB Rutgers Detroit Lions 2001 5 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon Philadelphia Eagles 2000 5 163 Tee Martin QB Tennessee Pittsburgh Steelers 1999 5 151 Kevin Daft QB California-Davis Tennessee Titans Wow that's a pretty rough list lol. Mccaron might be good one day, but the others are pretty bad
Wily Dog Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 I know that Qb's Are generally picked i or 2 with a success rate of 50% or less. There have been cases where even free agents have become starters. Case Keenum in the modern era and Johnny Unitas in the dark ages. Das Prescott was a 4th rounder and of course everybody know Tommy was a 6th rounder. I also know the odds are against him but , wouldn't,t it be nice if the Bill's could find a horse shoe at last. If McD is really in the kid's camp and if we have a rookie QB in the draft who obviously won't start , we can see . I would like to see some optimism for our team and organization , rather than the continual sniping of our Coach and GM,
ColoradoBills Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: Wow that's a pretty rough list lol. Mccaron might be good one day, but the others are pretty bad No doubt. 6th and 7th rounds are really no better. Everyone talks about Brady but.......................it really is such a HUGE exception that it really isn't worth thinking about. 1 hour ago, Wily Dog said: I know that Qb's Are generally picked i or 2 with a success rate of 50% or less. There have been cases where even free agents have become starters. Case Keenum in the modern era and Johnny Unitas in the dark ages. Das Prescott was a 4th rounder and of course everybody know Tommy was a 6th rounder. I also know the odds are against him but , wouldn't,t it be nice if the Bill's could find a horse shoe at last. If McD is really in the kid's camp and if we have a rookie QB in the draft who obviously won't start , we can see . I would like to see some optimism for our team and organization , rather than the continual sniping of our Coach and GM, It sure would be nice, but the odds are very slim. I hope on every QB pick but..........................maybe Peterman can be the exception.
Thurmal34 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 If true this is an outrage of the highest order. An abomination. A kerfuffle. A conundrum. How could any any competent staff see Peterman as anything other than Frank Reich at best, Gale Gilbert at worst? If more, tar and feather them all immediately. Furthermore, send them all over the falls in a tar coated flaming ship with huge Ls on the side. Nathan freaking Peterman? Really? 1
twoandfourteen Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) On 1/24/2018 at 2:30 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: He roughly completed one pass to the opposing team for every 4 completions to our team, fwiw. When you have a chance, could you punch in the numbers and let me know how many completions per punt Tyrod produced? I just realized a fun fact, too: Tyrod started 12 more games than the INT Kid, and yet only had 12 more TD passes. On 1/25/2018 at 8:21 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: At best he's a backup and worst he's an insurance salesman. Interesting. I'd say the same thing about Tyrod Taylor. Guy is a top 5 backup in the NFL. Hopefully a contender with an established starter makes a move for TT, it would be a really smart move. Actually... it would be a really smart "insurance policy", if you will. Edited January 27, 2018 by twoandfourteen
twoandfourteen Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 4:59 PM, Mat68 said: Has any all-pro Qb ever have such disastrous results in meaningful football to start their career? The great Qbs show themselves pretty quickly and clearly when they enter games. Nathan Peterman is going to battle for a roster spot this offseason that is the reality of the situation. There is a 0% chance Peterman is the opening day starter. Yes, actually. You'd be surprised by the members of that list. I suggest looking a few up, but I'll give you a free one... Brett Favre's first two NFL completions were to the Washington Redskins. His first NFL completion to a member of his own team didn't occur until the 'Ol Gunslinger's second season. On 1/25/2018 at 8:47 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: The chief thing he lacks is the requisite talent required to be a consistent NFL starter along a lack of composure when he's under pressure. 1
MrEpsYtown Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, billsfan11 said: 2002 5 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State-Louisiana Green Bay Packers Ha! Craig Nall.
Elite Poster Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 Peterman was putrid this year. Just wanted to remind everyone.
ColoradoBills Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: Ha! Craig Nall. You're remembering his illustrious Buffalo Bills career, aren't you. Buffalo Bills[edit] In 2006, Craig Nall signed as an unrestricted free agent with the Buffalo Bills, where he competed for the starting quarterback position until a hamstring injury suffered on the second day of practice ended his involvement in the competition. In 2007, he fell on the team's depth chart behind J. P. Losman and Trent Edwards. At the end of pre-season, he was cut from the team's final roster. Early into the regular season he was re-signed by the Bills but was released shortly thereafter Good Times! 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 27, 2018 Posted January 27, 2018 11 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: When you have a chance, could you punch in the numbers and let me know how many completions per punt Tyrod produced? I just realized a fun fact, too: Tyrod started 12 more games than the INT Kid, and yet only had 12 more TD passes. You really just can't help yourself can you? You're obsessed! In a thread about Peterman you quote a post about Peterman that has no mention whatsoever of Tyrod, and you are still compelled to bring him up. Why? Tyrod's mediocrity has absolutely no bearing on Peterman's abysmal play. Here's a fun fact: over his ~5 quarters of play, Peterman exactly matched Tyrod's passing TD% as a Buffalo Bill (4.1%). Here's another fun fact: In 2017, among all players who attempted at least 20 passes, only one had an INT% over 10% (Peterman). The next highest after Peterman was a tie between Kevin Hogan and Paxton Lynch at 6.7% You want better than Tyrod? Great! Peterman ain't it. And he's gonna need major gains in arm strength to ever even come close. 1
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