Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 10 hours ago, 1billsfan said: I think it's pretty ridiculous to get into the exercise of pretending to have any sort of idea of how Peterman is either good or bad at being an NFL QB. Especially based on one full game of real NFL game experience. I trust McDermott if he thinks Peterman is his guy, or if he wants to go in another direction and this is all a head fake to move up for his guy. McDermott seems very smart, he did get this franchise a playoff game. Well, you know, I'm not an NFL scout, and I don't have access to the tools scouts have. I don't know as much about football as some of the folks here. But I'm not dumber than a box of rocks, I've been watching football pretty much since I could walk, and I've been walking a right smart of years by now. Back in Da Day, I used to get regular shipments of VCR tapes of games. When it came out, I got coach's film. And the faults I see in Peterman are exactly the faults that professional scouts called out last year in his scouting report. They were on view in preseason. They were on view in spades in the games he's played in, especially the Jags and Chargers games. I don't think it's ridiculous for an educated fan to have an opinion about a player, and it's always a good sign when it matches what professional scouts see (not press pundits, scouts) Now people do go "over the top" here in all directions, "Taylor is the worst QB ever" "Peterman doesn't belong in the NFL" blah blah. He is what he is - a 5th round developmental prospect who we drafted because he apparently has some strengths (very smart guy, great memory for plays) and some big holes in his game. (He skipped the bench press at the Senior Bowl last year, guess why) If he works his butt off double-time, he may improve. If he doesn't, he'll be out of the game in a year and the degree he earned in 3 years at Tenn. plus studies at Pitt, will help him support himself nicely. 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Well we are all entitled to our opinions. Based on watching the guy in college and as a pro everything that was considered a negative was magnified. You can feel free to hold out hope. I trust what I see. I also trust that McDermott sees it too. Onwards and upwards Frankly, McDermott starting Peterman when he was clearly "Not Ready Nate" was a major loss of trust for me. But if it's true that it was Dennison pushed for Peterman to start and McDermott moved on from Dennison, I may give him a mulligan on that - depending upon what happens at QB. If all the talk about "upgrade at QB" comes down to signing AJ McCarron and having him compete with Peterman, we're in a "Falling Credibility Zone" where I'm concerned. 1
JohnC Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Well we are all entitled to our opinions. Based on watching the guy in college and as a pro everything that was considered a negative was magnified. You can feel free to hold out hope. I trust what I see. I also trust that McDermott sees it too. Onwards and upwards Someone in a prior post gave the college scouting report of Peterman. It stated his limitations that appear to be evident in the pros. That is not to say that he can't improve because he can. But if one takes a realistic view of Peterman it is fair to say that he can be a functional/useful backup who can run a pro offense. That's what I see him as.
Blokestradamus Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 22 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: well it seems like you two did a much better, more in depth analysis than that fool....what's his name?.....oh yeah..jon gruden I'd like to think so. Although Jon did get to hit Carson Wentz with a foam noodle, he's kinda my hero.
SouthNYfan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, you know, I'm not an NFL scout, and I don't have access to the tools scouts have. I don't know as much about football as some of the folks here. But I'm not dumber than a box of rocks, I've been watching football pretty much since I could walk, and I've been walking a right smart of years by now. Back in Da Day, I used to get regular shipments of VCR tapes of games. When it came out, I got coach's film. And the faults I see in Peterman are exactly the faults that professional scouts called out last year in his scouting report. They were on view in preseason. They were on view in spades in the games he's played in, especially the Jags and Chargers games. I don't think it's ridiculous for an educated fan to have an opinion about a player, and it's always a good sign when it matches what professional scouts see (not press pundits, scouts) Now people do go "over the top" here in all directions, "Taylor is the worst QB ever" "Peterman doesn't belong in the NFL" blah blah. He is what he is - a 5th round developmental prospect who we drafted because he apparently has some strengths (very smart guy, great memory for plays) and some big holes in his game. (He skipped the bench press at the Senior Bowl last year, guess why) If he works his butt off double-time, he may improve. If he doesn't, he'll be out of the game in a year and the degree he earned in 3 years at Tenn. plus studies at Pitt, will help him support himself nicely. Frankly, McDermott starting Peterman when he was clearly "Not Ready Nate" was a major loss of trust for me. But if it's true that it was Dennison pushed for Peterman to start and McDermott moved on from Dennison, I may give him a mulligan on that - depending upon what happens at QB. If all the talk about "upgrade at QB" comes down to signing AJ McCarron and having him compete with Peterman, we're in a "Falling Credibility Zone" where I'm concerned. Peterman and his flaws are interesting to me. Other than working on arm strength/driving the ball, I'm not sure how he can learn about NFL defensive speed, and what windows are open vs what windows aren't, other than to actually be thrown into multiple games and test it out. It's quite a conundrum for me. His hero ball mentality isn't always a bad thing. It's how amazing comeback plays are made. It's also how you throw 5 ints in like 13 attempts. Hero ball works when you have the arm/smarts to make those throws more often than not. It crashes and burns when you don't. 1
Scott7975 Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 11 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: FYI, a blockbuster trade or major move may be imminent. Possibly something I reported on as insiders and sources out west are buzzing tonight..... Wrong again now stop with your bs sources crap. First that wasn't from one of your bs sources. It was from Twitter and reported before you did. Second you're wrong about what it is.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Peterman and his flaws are interesting to me. Other than working on arm strength/driving the ball, I'm not sure how he can learn about NFL defensive speed, and what windows are open vs what windows aren't, other than to actually be thrown into multiple games and test it out. It's quite a conundrum for me. His hero ball mentality isn't always a bad thing. It's how amazing comeback plays are made. It's also how you throw 5 ints in like 13 attempts. Hero ball works when you have the arm/smarts to make those throws more often than not. It crashes and burns when you don't. Well, definitely major offseason work on arm strength/power and footwork would be a huge help to him. If you look at (say) Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady in their draft profile vs now, there's huge development in their strength. And while accuracy may or may not be able to be improved (depends upon what's causing it), arm strength definitely can. Not just strength training - needs to train for power. Part of it IMO is being confused by defensive coverage. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. So a lot of watching NFL film and good, consistent coaching on what to look for on each play would help. It's IMO a big problem for today's crop of QB that the CBA limits off season contact between players and coaches. I understand McCarthy used to put on quite the off-season QB camp and that's one reason Aaron Rodgers developed as he did. There's a niche market for someone to develop an VR/AV system that could train QB. Edited January 26, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1
SouthNYfan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, definitely major offseason work on arm strength/power and footwork would be a huge help to him. If you look at (say) Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady in their draft profile vs now, there's huge development in their strength. And while accuracy may or may not be able to be improved (depends upon what's causing it), arm strength definitely can. Not just strength training - needs to train for power. Part of it IMO is being confused by defensive coverage. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. So a lot of watching NFL film and good, consistent coaching on what to look for on each play would help. It's IMO a big problem for today's crop of QB that the CBA limits off season contact between players and coaches. I understand McCarthy used to put on quite the off-season QB camp and that's one reason Aaron Rodgers developed as he did. There's a niche market for someone to develop an VR/AV system that could train QB. Interesting, I forgot about the off-season limitations on the CBA. Interesting thought though, I remember one of the major reasons argued for that was to prolong careers and give players more time to refresh and recover between seasons. Could that be a direct correlation to the fact that we are seeing guys remaining at elite levels (brady, Brees, etc) ?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Interesting, I forgot about the off-season limitations on the CBA. Interesting thought though, I remember one of the major reasons argued for that was to prolong careers and give players more time to refresh and recover between seasons. Could that be a direct correlation to the fact that we are seeing guys remaining at elite levels (brady, Brees, etc) ? I think the increased longevity is more related to the new rules around "roughing the passer" and illegal hits plus, increased focus by players on training for injury prevention year-round. I'm all for giving players an "off season", but for skill players especially QB, I think it's the "law of unintended consequences". Off season study (not workouts) with coaches is part of what helped many of the current greats become great, I believe. Frankly, it may also relate to the increasing inadequacy of college ball as an NFL QB farm system and the FA system which gives you 4-5 years of a player's services. If you can replace Drew Bledsoe with Tom Brady or Brett Favre with Aaron Rodgers, you do. If you can replace Tom Brady with Jimmy Garappolo, you do - unless Bob Kraft says "you don't" Then your guy goes to a different team, different system, his play falls off, on to the next. Edited January 26, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
SouthNYfan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the increased longevity is more related to the new rules around "roughing the passer" and illegal hits plus, increased focus by players on training for injury prevention year-round. I'm all for giving players an "off season", but for skill players especially QB, I think it's the "law of unintended consequences". Off season study (not workouts) with coaches is part of what helped many of the current greats become great, I believe. Agreed on all of the above. I was just saying I find it interesting that one of the major reasons they wanted off-season limitations was to increase career length, so I think it plays into the equation. Studying, film room, non contact mechanics drills, throwing drills, all that stuff should absolutely be allowed if the player wants to.
Mr. WEO Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: Interesting, I forgot about the off-season limitations on the CBA. Interesting thought though, I remember one of the major reasons argued for that was to prolong careers and give players more time to refresh and recover between seasons. Could that be a direct correlation to the fact that we are seeing guys remaining at elite levels (brady, Brees, etc) ? 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the increased longevity is more related to the new rules around "roughing the passer" and illegal hits plus, increased focus by players on training for injury prevention year-round. I'm all for giving players an "off season", but for skill players especially QB, I think it's the "law of unintended consequences". Off season study (not workouts) with coaches is part of what helped many of the current greats become great, I believe. Frankly, it may also relate to the increasing inadequacy of college ball as an NFL QB farm system and the FA system which gives you 4-5 years of a player's services. If you can replace Drew Bledsoe with Tom Brady or Brett Favre with Aaron Rodgers, you do. If you can replace Tom Brady with Jimmy Garappolo, you do - unless Bob Kraft says "you don't" Then your guy goes to a different team, different system, his play falls off, on to the next. Less off seasoning (official) conditioning programs will not increase a players career. the opposite is likely true. Look how many guys are injured in training camp or the preseason compared to the regular season. Guys like Brees and Brady are 365 days a year fitness fanatics. Also, fat too much is made of the "roughing the passer rules", etc. Today's QBs are taking tons of hits. record numbers have been injured and replaced by backups for at least parts of the season. Defenders may pay a higher penalty for hits, but that's clearly not deterring them form getting such penalties.
SouthNYfan Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Less off seasoning (official) conditioning programs will not increase a players career. the opposite is likely true. Look how many guys are injured in training camp or the preseason compared to the regular season. Guys like Brees and Brady are 365 days a year fitness fanatics. I agree with the idea behind this, I was referring specifically to guys like Brady and Brees, the elite players, who condition year round. Having them not being pounded in the off-season by contact drills will definitely prolong their career. The lazy bums it will be worse for, because they'll show up fat and outta shape (I'm looking at you Eddie lazy... I mean Eddie Lacy)
Scott7975 Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 13 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: FYI, a blockbuster trade or major move may be imminent. Possibly something I reported on as insiders and sources out west are buzzing tonight..... Because of this. Not just his initial post.
BringBackFlutie Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/24/2018 at 1:34 PM, TheFunPolice said: Not sure Peterman has much upside... When he throws to the outside you can put 6 on the board for the other team. Ball takes too long to get there. Sal literally said this on WGR during training camp this summer. Then it happened when we needed it least.
Fadingpain Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 I notice the other thread is now locked regarding upcoming shocking Bills roster news or whatever... And then this news comes out of nowhere that Eric Wood is finished. I would say that qualifies as shocking Bills roster news. It just came a bit earlier than "next week".
liverpoolkev Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) They didn't want Dashon Watson, but they are all in on this garbage QB who won nothing in college . That shows this regime has no clue and got their job not based on merit but who they know. As for Eric wood I always felt he was overrated save us on the cap... Edited January 26, 2018 by liverpoolkev
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, liverpoolkev said: They didn't want Dashon Watson, but they are all in on this garbage QB who won nothing in college . That shows this regime has no clue and got their job not based on merit but who they know That's only if you buy into a premise that makes zero sense based on what we saw last season and what the GM has said since the season ended.
Foreigner Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 You better hope Peterman is cut because he is not even a backup QB, and you can take that to the bank of your 5th rounder, although what McDermott wants Mcdermott gets unfortunately.
Foreigner Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 What makes you even think Peterman is a NFL QB. Maybe because he threw a TD in the snow, or because someone said that on this board. Please.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, Foreigner said: You better hope Peterman is cut because he is not even a backup QB, and you can take that to the bank of your 5th rounder, although what McDermott wants Mcdermott gets unfortunately. ...yup...his extensive body of work has allowed you to reach this conclusion..........got it....Jesus.........I'd love to come here as a drafted rook.......and would leave my car running............
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