Hurricane Marv Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, musichunch said: Exactly. Training for the hardest job in sports. If the coaching staff loves him, and they see him everyday, I'm interesting in seeing more. Your thought process is nasty. And says a lot about how you view yourself when you have a bad day. I hope Peterman has more self-esteem. Hahaha oh c'mon now. My thought process is only to counter the fact that the OP (a known troll) has already anointed him the future starter so I'm clearly exaggerating to an extent. You agree that he's our future starter at this point? In that case then I'll paint you with a broad generalization as well and say that you don't know a damn thing about football. Frankly though, it's the NFL, and if you don't have your stuff together after a season, or even a month, then you're not guaranteed anything. This is not a mid-career desk job so your example is horrible.
SaviorPeterman Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, Steptide said: How can people chalk Peterman up to being bad already? He played one half of football. You cannot base ANY quarterback on a half of a football game. Remeber when we beat the Patriots back in 2011? Brady threw 4 interceptions in that game. FOUR. a guy who had 11 years experience, superbowl wins, and multiple playoff berths. My point is, you cannot base one game on a person's talent/longevity It's a number of reasons steptide: 1) He's a 5th round pick, therefore he's no good because he lasted that long in draft. Nevermind the fact that most mid round guys are strictly developmental and probably shouldn't start an NFL game until at least their the 2nd NFL season at the earliest assuming their team believes they are ready. The fact the Bills thought NP was ready as a rookie either shows they are clueless or speaks volumes about how ready they thought he was in just his first NFL season. I still tend to believe the latter. 2) Fans still yearn for the next Jim Kelly but don't realize how rare JK and true franchise QB's really are. But even if we draft another 1st round QB this year it doesn't mean that guy is guaranteed to pan our or will be ready to play right away. He may still sit behind a guy like NP especially if he struggles in his first camp/preseason. 3) Most drought fans prior to finally making the playoffs again this year believe the standard for a QB is a guy like Tyrod Taylor, somebody that ocassionally plays a great game but is mostly below average throughout a 16 game season despite posting very deceptive stats. So when a guy like Peterman comes in and has a 5 INT game which essentially kills his qb rating on the entire season it makes the TT's and Fitzpatricks of the world look like superstars to them. 4) Most fans in general simply don't understand an NFL franchise thought process. The Bills (and just about every other NFL team) aren't going to make a predetermined judgement on NP because of what he did or didn't do in 2 NFL starts and a few games of mop up duty (including the end of the Jags playoff game). They are going to judge him based on what they see during the offseason and most importantly in training camp and preseason this summer to see if he's made the progress they expected. And again, even if this team drafts a 1st round QB it doesn't mean they are just going to toss a 5th round pick to the curb. Bottom line at worse Peterman is an NFL caliber backup QB, and depending what the Bills do this offseason he'll get a shot to be a starter here. If for some reason the Bills pull a Cardale Jones on NP then he'll be on another teams roster next year but still think that's a longshot scenario.
Hurricane Marv Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Bottom line at worse Peterman is an NFL caliber backup QB Let the backpedaling begin!
SaviorPeterman Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hurricane Marv said: Let the backpedaling begin! No backpeddling, I said 'at worse' because I believe that is the floor with NP....a very good NFL backup. His ceiling is Drew Brees since he's pretty much the same exact player coming out of college that he was years ago.
Hurricane Marv Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, SaviorPeterman said: No backpeddling, I said 'at worse' because I believe that is the floor with NP....a very good NFL backup. His ceiling is Drew Brees since he's pretty much the same exact player coming out of college that he was years ago. You initially claimed that the Bills were "all in" on him being a starter. Now you're making a case for him being a competent NFL backup. That's backpedaling.
SaviorPeterman Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Hurricane Marv said: You initially claimed that the Bills were "all in" on him being a starter. Now you're making a case for him being a competent NFL backup. That's backpedaling. Things don't always go as planned, but if they do the sky is the limit with NP given his unique skill set and talent. He's a very smart kid (has a masters), hard worker, leader and very gritty on the field which is why he wasn't afraid to sling it despite the costly turnovers. My point is that if they don't NP is still probably going to have a career with the Bills or another NFL team as a backup unless he doesn't want it. 1
Hurricane Marv Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 Like arguing with a 17 year old Madden addict. I don't know how anybody falls for this. Drew Brees? Really, folks?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Things don't always go as planned, but if they do the sky is the limit with NP given his unique skill set and talent. He's a very smart kid (has a masters), hard worker, leader and very gritty on the field which is why he wasn't afraid to sling it despite the costly turnovers. My point is that if they don't NP is still probably going to have a career with the Bills or another NFL team as a backup unless he doesn't want it. Oh it’s unique all right - he already hold some major records in his young career Edited January 25, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 1
PromoTheRobot Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Hurricane Marv said: You initially claimed that the Bills were "all in" on him being a starter. Now you're making a case for him being a competent NFL backup. That's backpedaling. Doesn't SP have a high-level business meeting to attend?
simool Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Doesn't SP have a high-level business meeting femdom session with Jenny Craig dropouts to attend? Fixed that for you. 2
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 If I had to rate the situations Peterman was thrown into this year with 10 being the worst and 0 being the best. I would give Peterman a 10, I wouldn't start a rookie QB in any of those situations.
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: No backpeddling, I said 'at worse' because I believe that is the floor with NP....a very good NFL backup. His ceiling is Drew Brees since he's pretty much the same exact player coming out of college that he was years ago. 3
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 Peterman was purportedly the "Most Pro Ready QB" coming out of the 2017 draft. It certainly didn't look to be at all the case.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: No backpeddling, I said 'at worse' because I believe that is the floor with NP....a very good NFL backup. His ceiling is Drew Brees since he's pretty much the same exact player coming out of college that he was years ago. So Peterman’s ceiling is the NFL’s all-time leader in passing yards and passing touchdowns? Seems reasonable... 3 3
Stank_Nasty Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: So Peterman’s ceiling is the NFL’s all-time leader in passing yards and passing touchdowns? Seems reasonable... yes.... becuz, like saviorpete just said, he's exactly the player brees was coming out of college. both were Heisman finalists. oh wait..... LOL. Edited January 25, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
Augie Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: So Peterman’s ceiling is the NFL’s all-time leader in passing yards and passing touchdowns? Seems reasonable... Maybe that is THE ceiling, the one for all QB’s? I bet he’s under there somewhere......
TigerJ Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: Just an FYI, Bucky Gleason who's well connected in Orchard Park circles wrote a piece on the Buffalo news today pretty much saying that reading between the lines he expects Nathan Peterman to be the starter in 2018. You have to be a paying member to read but here's the link: http://buffalonews.com/2018/01/24/bucky-gleason-looking-for-bills-next-starting-qb-he-could-be-under-your-nose/ "Looking for the next starting QB? He could be right under your nose" I very much agree that Peterman has a chance to be the starter next season. All the signs point to Tyrod departing. Chris Brown wrote an article today at BB.com essentially telling fans not to expect Buffalo to make a trade into the top five in the draft (and probably not in the top ten). That means not Rosen, no Darnold, and probably no Allen. Unless the Bills sign one of the top 3 or 4 available veteran free agents at QB, the Bills will likely have a QB competition between Peterman and whatever veteran the do sign (I think they will sign somebody, but if it's not Cousins (it won't be), Alex Smith, Case Keenum, or Sam Bradford, Peterman has a realistic shot.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I have to say I don't think any rookie QB would look good vs the Chargers D-Line and overall defense. I think the Chargers have the best D-Line in the NFL. I bet if you could poll our O-Line on who they would least like to see again I would bet it would be the Chargers. Then you have that crazy snow game which I thought he played well considering the weather conditions. Taylor did nothing vs that Jags defense, I was actually glad to see Peterman out there because it at lease gave me a little hope. Overall it's not easy to evaluate Peterman in any of those situations. Im expecting him to have a good offseason and good TC next year, we will see where is goes after that.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, TigerJ said: (quoting Gleason) I very much agree that Peterman has a chance to be the starter next season. All the signs point to Tyrod departing. Chris Brown wrote an article today at BB.com essentially telling fans not to expect Buffalo to make a trade into the top five in the draft (and probably not in the top ten). That means not Rosen, no Darnold, and probably no Allen. Unless the Bills sign one of the top 3 or 4 available veteran free agents at QB, the Bills will likely have a QB competition between Peterman and whatever veteran the do sign (I think they will sign somebody, but if it's not Cousins (it won't be), Alex Smith, Case Keenum, or Sam Bradford, Peterman has a realistic shot. Kirby Jackson put it well but I'll put a bit less between the lines for us: I'm sure Daboll passed up the possibility he'd go back to New England to work with Tom Brady and hurried off to Orchard Park in order to use his 4th shot as an NFL OC on Nate Peterman. Bucky is suffering from a bad case of BBFS IMO. Memo to that TBN Sports Editor who comes around here sometimes: this quote is Exhibit A of why I won't pay your modest fee to be exposed to this crap. It's not that I'm saying Peterman is crap and can't become a good QB, but if the Bills want to change the culture and stress earning the right to win, that starts with the front office. And that means, in fact, either signing one of the top available FA or drafting one of the top QB. If they don't do either of those things, they are not to be taken seriously. Peterman, at this point, has a ceiling of "possible future competent backup" until demonstrated otherwise in TC and preseason - I'm talking 65-70% completions there etc. Rolling with a choice of Peterman, a later-draft rookie and some second tier vet would be the same-'ol same-'ol MO the Bills have dealt us for years. If McBeane want to have a shred of credibility for "Trust the Process", they have got to try something else. Edited January 25, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
billsredneck1 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I have to say I don't think any rookie QB would look good vs the Chargers D-Line and overall defense. I think the Chargers have the best D-Line in the NFL. I bet if you could poll our O-Line on who they would least like to see again I would bet it would be the Chargers. Then you have that crazy snow game which I thought he played well considering the weather conditions. Taylor did nothing vs that Jags defense, I was actually glad to see Peterman out there because it at lease gave me a little hope. Overall it's not easy to evaluate Peterman in any of those situations. Im expecting him to have a good offseason and good TC next year, we will see where is goes after that. that statement really stands out to me. him going in gave us at least a sliver of hope....3 points of offense up until that moment during the first playoff game in 17 years. i don't ever want to see tyrod in a bills uni again......and no he didn't get us there. 1
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