zevo Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Interesting....if teams go qb crazy in round 1 there will be some solid talent being pushed down the board. Just don’t know if the bills can or should push off drafting one another year. I almost feel that if they don’t move up into the top 5 it may behoove them to just stay put and take BPA and see what shakes out in round 2. 3
blacklabel Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 DJ is one of my favorite draft guys. He knows his stuff, he's worked for pro teams in the past. Depends on what happens in free agency, but with how strong this class is in front seven players, I can see them going DL and LB with their early picks. McDermott is probably dying for one of those sideline to sideline LBs like Edmunds or Smith or Evans or the Boise State kid. Based on Jeremiah's assessment, I'd say Rashaan Evans is a guy they probably have valued pretty highly given his versatility. And there are plenty of solid DTs like Vea, Payne, Hurst, etc. Just based on what they did in Carolina, (consistently added front seven players in the early rounds) I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route McBeane takes.
zevo Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: DJ is one of my favorite draft guys. He knows his stuff, he's worked for pro teams in the past. Depends on what happens in free agency, but with how strong this class is in front seven players, I can see them going DL and LB with their early picks. McDermott is probably dying for one of those sideline to sideline LBs like Edmunds or Smith or Evans or the Boise State kid. Based on Jeremiah's assessment, I'd say Rashaan Evans is a guy they probably have valued pretty highly given his versatility. And there are plenty of solid DTs like Vea, Payne, Hurst, etc. Just based on what they did in Carolina, (consistently added front seven players in the early rounds) I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route McBeane takes. The more I think about it....i think using our picks is the way to go. Rebuild and reshape the roster with cost controlled talent. If somehow we could get to number 2 that’s the only way i personally would get really excited about the prospects of a qb. Grabbing Lamar Jackson in round 2 would also be a dream but isn’t happening. I’m just glad I don’t have to make these decisions.
K D Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, blacklabel said: DJ is one of my favorite draft guys. He knows his stuff, he's worked for pro teams in the past. Depends on what happens in free agency, but with how strong this class is in front seven players, I can see them going DL and LB with their early picks. McDermott is probably dying for one of those sideline to sideline LBs like Edmunds or Smith or Evans or the Boise State kid. Based on Jeremiah's assessment, I'd say Rashaan Evans is a guy they probably have valued pretty highly given his versatility. And there are plenty of solid DTs like Vea, Payne, Hurst, etc. Just based on what they did in Carolina, (consistently added front seven players in the early rounds) I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route McBeane takes. DT and LB - I think there will be a lot of value available at those positions when we pick, especially if teams go QB crazy early on and those guys get pushed down the draft board. Vea, Payne, or Hurst...at least one of them should be available at 21 and they are all day 1 starters in the NFL. I know the Bills are high on Smith the MLB from Georgia but he is undersized for the position in the NFL and could have a hard time taking on OL and plugging holes to stop the run. Evans has more ideal size for the position. Assuming the Bills don't trade up I think we can get 2 very good starters at 21 and 22 1
Mr. WEO Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: DT and LB - I think there will be a lot of value available at those positions when we pick, especially if teams go QB crazy early on and those guys get pushed down the draft board. Vea, Payne, or Hurst...at least one of them should be available at 21 and they are all day 1 starters in the NFL. I know the Bills are high on Smith the MLB from Georgia but he is undersized for the position in the NFL and could have a hard time taking on OL and plugging holes to stop the run. Evans has more ideal size for the position. Assuming the Bills don't trade up I think we can get 2 very good starters at 21 and 22 "Say what, say what?"...
FistingBot Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, zevo said: The more I think about it....i think using our picks is the way to go. Rebuild and reshape the roster with cost controlled talent. If somehow we could get to number 2 that’s the only way i personally would get really excited about the prospects of a qb. Grabbing Lamar Jackson in round 2 would also be a dream but isn’t happening. I’m just glad I don’t have to make these decisions. I agree. We have an aging roster with a ton of holes that needs to be filled. Watching guys like Nick Foles, Blake Bortles, and Case Keenum get their teams to championship games make me think trading up for a QB perhaps isn't the best move. We can get a QB at 21/22 or in the second round and still fill some other holes if we don't package the picks to trade up.
13player Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) I hope they do this right, 4 picks in the first two rounds and free agency, do not address qb this year, draft an LB, DT, 2 interior lineman and move on from incognito and miller and mills as starters, keep Glenn, resign Gaines, take a RB in the third and then load up with corners. if they do this right and build a kick as front for a QB than draft whoever you want next year, move up and take the guy you want, unless Mike white is there in the 4th (which I doubt) sign a journeyman QB. If the o-line is great the chance of your 1st round qb picks goes through the roof. just my opinion Edited January 23, 2018 by 13player
BillsVet Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) I see a lot of these early mock drafts having Buffalo take 2 defenders at 21 and 22. Perhaps that thought process is a result of the HC's background AND their need on that side of the ball. It's very early, but doing this would hurt more than it would help. Early returns shows there's defensive talent this draft, but a strategy that goes defense first to me is a losing one. The defense has clear needs, but with the way the game is going, hoping to be a strong defensive team with a pedestrian offense is only going to get you so far. And next year I would expect other franchises (OAK, IND, HOU, TEN) to rebound with better QB play making it a little harder to sneak into the playoffs. Of course they need a QB, but the skill positions aren't strong or are aging and, aside from Dawkins the OL is either aging or not good. More high picks on defense is (EDIT: not) the value right now to get this team deep into the playoffs. Edited January 23, 2018 by BillsVet 1
PIZ Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I like Vita Vea a lot, but it looks like we are not going to get close to him. Roquon Smith may fall, looking at this. What are your thoughts on these guys. Seems like they would fit the mold McBeane is looking for, and could all be had with a trade down to maybe get another 2nd or 3rd pick. Leighton Vander Esch, LB, Boise State – Rank 40 Vander Esch is a long, instinctive and fast inside linebacker. Against the run, he's quick to key/read and aggressively shoot gaps. He does a good job sorting through the trash to find the ball. He flashes the ability to pop/separate from blockers, but at times, he's too narrow and gets washed out. He has outstanding speed/range. He's a highly productive tackler, but also produces a couple fly-by missed tackles in every game. He has ideal size/speed to mirror tight ends in coverage and he's a productive blitzer. Vander Esch was one of the most productive players in the country this past season and should be an immediate starter at the next level. Sam Hubbard, DE, Ohio State – Rank 41 Hubbard has ideal size and he was very productive for the Buckeyes. As a pass rusher, he has an average get-off, but he has an array of hand moves and power. He has experimented with a spin move, but that is still a work in progress. He's very effective when he's used as a looper and allowed to rush against offensive guards. His effort is outstanding and he's a good finisher despite some ankle stiffness. He's very strong at the point of attack in the run game. He also uses his quickness and effort to make plays from the back side. I see Hubbard as an ideal 4-3 left defensive end. If he adds some weight, he would also fit as a DE for teams that employ three-man fronts. Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville – Rank 43 Jackson has been the most dynamic playmaker in college football for the last two seasons, operating out of the shotgun in the Cardinals' offense. He has a lean, narrow frame. He has quick feet in his setup and he bounces on his toes once he gets to the top of his drop. He throws with a very narrow base. He generates tremendous velocity despite flipping the ball and failing to generate any power or torque from his lower half. He's more accurate/consistent on in-breaking routes and over-the-top touch throws. His accuracy suffers when he has to drive the ball outside the numbers. He is too stiff on his front leg and the ball sails on him. His pocket presence has improved over the last year and he excels avoiding unblocked rushers. He's the most electric runner at the position to enter the NFL in the last decade. On designed QB runs, he's very elusive and slithery. Overall, Jackson needs time to work out some mechanical issues, but his playmaking ability is special.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2018 Author Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, zevo said: The more I think about it....i think using our picks is the way to go. Rebuild and reshape the roster with cost controlled talent. If somehow we could get to number 2 that’s the only way i personally would get really excited about the prospects of a qb. Grabbing Lamar Jackson in round 2 would also be a dream but isn’t happening. I’m just glad I don’t have to make these decisions. This is one of the core principles that I have heard Beane express.
John from Riverside Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I mean...if vita falls how do you NOT take him?
Wagon Circler Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Not ready to throw 5 high picks for a shot at Rosen or even Mayfield. I would be OK staying put and drafting Ferguson or White in the first round. But QB MUST be addressed in the first 2 rounds.
jwhit34 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Starters needed: QB, WR, 2 on OL, 2 DTs, 2 LBs, 1 CB Hopefully they re-sign Gaines and the CB is solved. Free agency may yield 1-2 other starters, the rest of the free agents will be for depth and they need quite a few back ups. Unless there are 2 guys they feel the same as they did on Tre White, I would trade either 21 or 22 for a lower first and a low second. 5 picks in top 64 sounds good to me.
njbuff Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Prospect rankings are all over the place during this draft process. Just have to wait it out and see how it goes. This is why mocks are useless.
Domdab99 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) how could can this list be any good? There's a RB at No. 1. Edited January 23, 2018 by Domdab99
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2018 Author Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: how could can this list be? There's a RB at No. 1. Easily. The highest graded prospect in a particular draft can be at any position.
Domdab99 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Easily. The highest graded prospect in a particular draft can be at any position. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the list is supposed to be for NFL prospects, not how great someone was in college. RBs are a dime a dozen. Anyone who chooses one in the first round is a sucker.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2018 Author Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the list is supposed to be for NFL prospects, not how great someone was in college. RBs are a dime a dozen. Anyone who chooses one in the first round is a sucker. You shouldn't necessarily correlate a prospect's grade to what position he'll be selected in the actual draft. Tell that to the Cowboys and Jaguars who selected Elliott and Fournette with high 1st round picks.
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, PIZ said: I like Vita Vea a lot, but it looks like we are not going to get close to him. Roquon Smith may fall, looking at this. What are your thoughts on these guys. Seems like they would fit the mold McBeane is looking for, and could all be had with a trade down to maybe get another 2nd or 3rd pick. Leighton Vander Esch, LB, Boise State – Rank 40 Vander Esch is a long, instinctive and fast inside linebacker. Against the run, he's quick to key/read and aggressively shoot gaps. He does a good job sorting through the trash to find the ball. He flashes the ability to pop/separate from blockers, but at times, he's too narrow and gets washed out. He has outstanding speed/range. He's a highly productive tackler, but also produces a couple fly-by missed tackles in every game. He has ideal size/speed to mirror tight ends in coverage and he's a productive blitzer. Vander Esch was one of the most productive players in the country this past season and should be an immediate starter at the next level. Sam Hubbard, DE, Ohio State – Rank 41 Hubbard has ideal size and he was very productive for the Buckeyes. As a pass rusher, he has an average get-off, but he has an array of hand moves and power. He has experimented with a spin move, but that is still a work in progress. He's very effective when he's used as a looper and allowed to rush against offensive guards. His effort is outstanding and he's a good finisher despite some ankle stiffness. He's very strong at the point of attack in the run game. He also uses his quickness and effort to make plays from the back side. I see Hubbard as an ideal 4-3 left defensive end. If he adds some weight, he would also fit as a DE for teams that employ three-man fronts. Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville – Rank 43 Jackson has been the most dynamic playmaker in college football for the last two seasons, operating out of the shotgun in the Cardinals' offense. He has a lean, narrow frame. He has quick feet in his setup and he bounces on his toes once he gets to the top of his drop. He throws with a very narrow base. He generates tremendous velocity despite flipping the ball and failing to generate any power or torque from his lower half. He's more accurate/consistent on in-breaking routes and over-the-top touch throws. His accuracy suffers when he has to drive the ball outside the numbers. He is too stiff on his front leg and the ball sails on him. His pocket presence has improved over the last year and he excels avoiding unblocked rushers. He's the most electric runner at the position to enter the NFL in the last decade. On designed QB runs, he's very elusive and slithery. Overall, Jackson needs time to work out some mechanical issues, but his playmaking ability is special. Hubbard would be best utilized as an olb in a 3-4. Other than that, a Mcbean type all the way. He converted from lacrosse player to safety to olb/DE. Very intelligent kid. Edited January 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio
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