Fred Clause Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: If the hands are on the inside, it is never called. If it was, holding would be called on an offensive lineman on quite literally every play from scrimmage in every nfl game over the past quarter century. Come on. Not true once the player brakes free and is past the blocker, he has to release, this did not happen here...
BillsFan692 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 It's always called once the defender loses position and keeps his ARM "around" the attacker. What are you even talking about?
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) Lol, fans are such babies. I remember when everyone got worked up over the ref fist bump when the Broncos scored. They are not going to celebrate cheating right in front of the cameras. That's what makes all the crying hilarious. Edited January 23, 2018 by TheTruthHurts
reddogblitz Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: It's always called once the defender loses position and keeps his ARM "around" the attacker. What are you even talking about? They call it on us.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: It's always called once the defender loses position and keeps his ARM "around" the attacker. What are you even talking about? Was there 1 holding call the whole game? Maybe on special teams vs NE. Looks like they were consistent. The Jags had a few penalties that were pre snap, delay of game and illegal shift. They had the hit to the head and PI on Ramsey. So 4 calls that were obvious. The other PI was questionable, but that has been called. Defender got his head around late.
reddogblitz Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Was there 1 holding call the whole game? Maybe on special teams vs NE. Looks like they were consistent. The Jags had a few penalties that were pre snap, delay of game and illegal shift. They had the hit to the head and PI on Ramsey. So 4 calls that were obvious. The other PI was questionable, but that has been called. Defender got his head around late. New England was the beneficiary of 98 penalty yards while being flagged just once for six yards. The Jaguars also had a potential touchdown taken away when Myles Jack's recovery of a Dion Lewis fumble was mysteriously whistled dead. I also noticed some Gillete clock shenanigans right before the 2:00 warning as well. Edited January 23, 2018 by reddogblitz
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I think the refs favor them but I have no problem with the ref congratulating Brady, we're witnessing something that may never be broken in our lifetime, mad respect and don't get me wrong it's annoying as !@#$ to see them keep winning every year but you also have to give credit where it's due.
reddogblitz Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I think the refs favor them but I have no problem with the ref congratulating Brady, we're witnessing something that may never be broken in our lifetime, mad respect and don't get me wrong it's annoying as !@#$ to see them keep winning every year but you also have to give credit where it's due. They're refs, not fans. or at least they shouldn't be anyway. If they can't put their fandom down at the game,they have no place being refs IMHO. They should avoid even the perception of partiality. Edited January 23, 2018 by reddogblitz
fridge Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I think the refs favor them but I have no problem with the ref congratulating Brady, we're witnessing something that may never be broken in our lifetime, mad respect and don't get me wrong it's annoying as !@#$ to see them keep winning every year but you also have to give credit where it's due. I had "mad respect" for Jordan, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, all achieving incredible championship tallies, but I have no respect for Tom Brady. Yesterday it felt like Brady was just throwing it as far as he could in order to draw a flag. It's not within the spirit of the game, and that it pays off for him, but not other QB's is why I have no respect for the man.
row_33 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Do you watch football so you can invent reasons to whine and gripe like a demented old lady?
Cmdjr85 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 10:53 PM, GoBills808 said: How would you feel if the VP of the general contracting firm that built Gillette Stadium was head referee for one of their playoff games? Steretore was laughing because he went to break up the two pats players and they said they where celebrating. There was shoving and stuff going on after whites td.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, reddogblitz said: New England was the beneficiary of 98 penalty yards while being flagged just once for six yards. The Jaguars also had a potential touchdown taken away when Myles Jack's recovery of a Dion Lewis fumble was mysteriously whistled dead. I also noticed some Gillete clock shenanigans right before the 2:00 warning as well. Because the PI rule is dumb. Jack was ruled down by contact. That is a tough call. At least they gave them the fumble on the field. Edited January 23, 2018 by TheTruthHurts
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 You guys who continue to believe this is holding by current NFL standards root for a team (Buffalo) that has one of the most hold-happy o-lines in the league. Watch Wood and Incognito on a play by play basis. They appear to operate under the Pete Carroll philosophy of "if you hold all of the time, the refs are still only going to call it pretty rarely." Regardless, what you see above is not even close to holding by the standards of today's NFL. If the hand gets inside of the shoulders, it ain't a hold. Watch pretty much any random set of plays in a random NFL game and you will quickly see what I mean. The Pats Derangement Syndrome on this board continues to be strong.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 What the ref really said to him: "Remember Tom, tell Mr. Kraft the usual payment consisting of non-sequential 10s and 20s better be waiting for me in my hotel room."
Heitz Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 FWIW, Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller were talking about this on Sirius NFL yesterday and basically said "nothing to see here." Their take was that the QB and refs are talking the entire game (as is the MLB on the D side) about what they're going to do, things to watch out for, etc. and that it's just not that out of the ordinary for a ref to give a congrats, or good game, or butt pat (their words) after a game. Add in the fact the some of the refs and long term players have known each other for many years, and it's really not that odd. Bad optics maybe, but not conspiracy level stuff...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 12 hours ago, fridge said: I had "mad respect" for Jordan, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, all achieving incredible championship tallies, but I have no respect for Tom Brady. Yesterday it felt like Brady was just throwing it as far as he could in order to draw a flag. It's not within the spirit of the game, and that it pays off for him, but not other QB's is why I have no respect for the man. You're entitled to your own opinion and I can respect that, maybe you'll appreciate what were witnessing when he retires but probably not from the sound of it lol.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Fewest penalties in a playoff game in 7 years
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 12 hours ago, reddogblitz said: They're refs, not fans. or at least they shouldn't be anyway. If they can't put their fandom down at the game,they have no place being refs IMHO. They should avoid even the perception of partiality. I agree that refs shouldn't favor any 1 team/player but how can that be said for a guy congratulating him after the game? If the Pats weren't in our division and in the NFC I don't think there would be this much hate and talk about it imo.
reddogblitz Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I agree that refs shouldn't favor any 1 team/player but how can that be said for a guy congratulating him after the game? If the Pats weren't in our division and in the NFC I don't think there would be this much hate and talk about it imo. Why does he need to congratulate anyone after the game? He's a ref,not a fan boy, or shouldn't be anyway IMHO. Send him an edible bouquet next week if you must "congratulate" him somehow. They should avoid even the perception of partiality.
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