Tcali Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 please no repeats of buffalo billstupidity. get a real qb who can think on his feet :who can get the ball snapped when you know the opponent is looking to review a play. 22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Cover1 is breaking down Jackson through a series of tweets. nice play nice throw...big deal. that play should be routine but we in buffalo are so used to crap QBing that we get all googly eyed over a 'nice' play.
NewEraBills Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tcali said: please no repeats of buffalo billstupidity. get a real qb who can think on his feet :who can get the ball snapped when you know the opponent is looking to review a play. Hey do you want Fitzmagic back? He's pretty smart. Had a fantastic Wonderelic. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tcali said: please no repeats of buffalo billstupidity. get a real qb who can think on his feet :who can get the ball snapped when you know the opponent is looking to review a play. nice play nice throw...big deal. that play should be routine but we in buffalo are so used to crap QBing that we get all googly eyed over a 'nice' play. Curious comment when the point was how good his ball skills are which is just one aspect of playing the position. 1
Tcali Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Hey do you want Fitzmagic back? He's pretty smart. Had a fantastic Wonderelic. Yes I want Fitzpatrick back. You nailed it.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) ...have not seen him play, but you guys are giving me the impression he is an upscale TT who does similar improvisations with the football versus what may be termed a more typical QB role.......how far off am I ?........if I'm close, are you comfortable with that style or want something more typical (whatever the hell that means today)?........ Edited January 21, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Tcali said: Yes I want Fitzpatrick back. You nailed it. Well then back your argument then. Other posters have offered their opinion, but have made points to support their stance. You have offered nothing but seeming disdain for the Buffalo Bills in general, and in Lamar Jackson.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 I would rather have a QB like Bree's, Brady or Big Ben that are amazing at feeling pressure and can move around in the pocket to buy time for WR to get open. These guys always seem to move to the right spot in the pocket while still looking down field for developing routes. Their are a few more QB that also very good at this.
Tcali Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would rather have a QB like Bree's, Brady or Big Ben that are amazing at feeling pressure and can move around in the pocket to buy time for WR to get open. These guys always seem to move to the right spot in the pocket while still looking down field for developing routes. Their are a few more QB that also very good at this. right on. thats the type of QB that we need. The bills have earned the fans disdain by not having a good QB for over 20 yrs.-And we dont need to be banking on the type of QB who got by in college with athleticism that doesnt translate into NFL success.
NewEraBills Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would rather have a QB like Bree's, Brady or Big Ben that are amazing at feeling pressure and can move around in the pocket to buy time for WR to get open. These guys always seem to move to the right spot in the pocket while still looking down field for developing routes. Their are a few more QB that also very good at this. You do realize they didn't come out of college like that though right? It's about development. Some guys mature and have this feel for the pocket and others don't. And also realize that they have top tier OL's, good weapons at WR. Who's scaring the defense for us at WR? Is there a defense saying we can't blitz because we don't want to single or double cover anyone? NO. Our offense is not set up the way those QB's offenses are set up. We have nobody that forces teams to stay in two deep. There's just so much more to QB's success than just the QB is superman and can do amazing stuff. Edited January 21, 2018 by NewEraBills 1
JM57 Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 59 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: You do realize they didn't come out of college like that though right? It's about development. Some guys mature and have this feel for the pocket and others don't. And also realize that they have top tier OL's, good weapons at WR. Who's scaring the defense for us at WR? Is there a defense saying we can't blitz because we don't want to single or double cover anyone? NO. Our offense is not set up the way those QB's offenses are set up. We have nobody that forces teams to stay in two deep. There's just so much more to QB's success than just the QB is superman and can do amazing stuff. Great post here. Without Cooks, Ginn Jr or Bryant to take the top off, those are different offenses. Still effective due to the immense talent but less explosive without the deep threat.
SouthNYfan Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 I'm not a fan of guys who scramble and run a lot. I don't hate Lamar, I think he'll be a solid NFL QB actually. I just am terrified at a guy his size running through midfield, trying to jump/spin move, and getting broken in half. Guys in the NFL typically (especially linebackers and safeties) don't miss like they do in college. You mistime that spin and they will smash you. Cam weighed 30+ lbs more than Lamar when he entered the NFL Hell rgiii had 10-12 lbs on Jackson. His skills don't really scare me, it's him getting leveled and broken that do.
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 9 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Is that not some of the worst footwork you've ever seen? Not setting, opening his hips too wide, and his spacing is all over the place. No wonder some of his throws are "hitting the medical tent." Dude needs a lot of work and should not be drafted in the 1st, although he most likely will. Why do so many people attribute athleticism and and a strong arm to upside? We should know by now that the QBs with the highest upside are the ones that can distribute the ball accurately to all parts of the field. Pocket control (awareness, movement skills, composure) is a necessity. Mobility is a big plus, but Rodgers, Smith, even Peterman - type mobility is all you need. I guess that's why we all see things differently, I didn't see terrible footwork at all. He looked pretty fluent even under distress most of that game but you're entitled to your own opinion. Like I've stated I'm not usually a fan of running QB's but Jackson has a chance to be a really special player. Accuracy can be coached up, you can't teach arm strength and that's why it's sought after, that and it's a passing league, if you can throw darts down the field I'd say that's an advantage over a noodle armed QB is it not?
LeGOATski Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I guess that's why we all see things differently, I didn't see terrible footwork at all. He looked pretty fluent even under distress most of that game but you're entitled to your own opinion. Like I've stated I'm not usually a fan of running QB's but Jackson has a chance to be a really special player. Accuracy can be coached up, you can't teach arm strength and that's why it's sought after, that and it's a passing league, if you can throw darts down the field I'd say that's an advantage over a noodle armed QB is it not? No one's arguing that. However, at the point where you have adequate arm strength, increasing arm strength does very little for improving the QB's game. It's more about mechanics and football intelligence. How long does it take to teach a QB accuracy? 20 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Edited January 21, 2018 by LeGOATski
3rdand12 Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: I'm not a fan of guys who scramble and run a lot. I don't hate Lamar, I think he'll be a solid NFL QB actually. I just am terrified at a guy his size running through midfield, trying to jump/spin move, and getting broken in half. Guys in the NFL typically (especially linebackers and safeties) don't miss like they do in college. You mistime that spin and they will smash you. Cam weighed 30+ lbs more than Lamar when he entered the NFL Hell rgiii had 10-12 lbs on Jackson. His skills don't really scare me, it's him getting leveled and broken that do. That had best be dealt with via NFL Coaching. But the pain might well be the same when your center and or guards miss a LB blitz, or a big safety. Putting a young or new NFL QB in a position for long term success is on Coaching period. What the Kid does with the said Coaching is another story altogether. But i do agree mostly. another reason to let him ride the pine and see the game up close for awhile. I vote for that method with Any QB Bills draft 1
starrymessenger Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Must say I guess different people see different things looking at the tape. What I (and some others) see is a young passer who shows remarkable composure. What he has most of is poise in the pocket. His feet are extremely quiet. He doesn't bail until he really has no other choice. In the meantime he keeps his eyes downfield. There is no comparison between Jackson's and Allen's pocket presence. At this time, Jackson's is far superior. And it only really makes sense to compare prospects that run pro style offences for pocket presence. One way to think of the major questions concerning spread QBs is whether they will have any at the next level at all. Their experience in spread college Os doesnt really tell us. There is an issue regarding footwork that he needs to work on. His stance in the pocket sometimes has his feet too close together. The reason for this habit may be his arm strength that lets him throw a football 60 yards with the flick of the wrist. He knows he can get it there without setting up text book proper so he doesn't bother doing it. The problem is that this leads him in his throwing motion to push off his front rather than his back foot which in turn causes his ball to sail at times and which I suspect generally makes him, for now, less accurate than he should be. But this is not the kind of flaw that is difficult to correct. Edited January 21, 2018 by starrymessenger
BadLandsMeanie Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 On 1/20/2018 at 5:35 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said: He has improved every year as a passer, and by all accounts is a film room junky. Very hard working, motivated kid. Film Room Junkie? I like that sound of that!! 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: No one's arguing that. However, at the point where you have adequate arm strength, increasing arm strength does very little for improving the QB's game. It's more about mechanics and football intelligence. How long does it take to teach a QB accuracy? From what I have seen teaching accuracy takes longer than you have i a career. Not one time have I ever seen anyone be taught how to throw accurately by an NFL staff. To me that claim is just a QB coach saying yes, because if he says no he can't, you get another QB coach who is willing to lie. Minor improvements yes. Big improvement to accuracy I say again, I never saw it yet.
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Film Room Junkie? I like that sound of that!! From what I have seen teaching accuracy takes longer than you have i a career. Not one time have I ever seen anyone be taught how to throw accurately by an NFL staff. To me that claim is just a QB coach saying yes, because if he says no he can't, you get another QB coach who is willing to lie. Minor improvements yes. Big improvement to accuracy I say again, I never saw it yet. Me neither. It's developed from the moment you start throwing a football. 1
Buddy Hix Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I was watching highlights of Jackson yesterday actually and would totally be on board with nabbing him. Lamar looks like Vick 2.0 and that man was a dangerous weapon in Atlanta. Jackson has the same delivery of the ball, tight and on a frozen rope. 1
Floydboy12 Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Jackson is light years a better athlete than Taylor. He's Vick 2.0. Personally I'd rather take my chances with that than draft a career back- up like Rudolph. I'd rather stick with Peterman and draft for other needs than do that.
TigerJ Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I am intrigued by Jackson. He has a very nice arm and is a good passer, unlike Tyrod, whatever other posters might say. I would like to see him become less dependent on running. He does way too much of it, and I think that could create a lot of risk of injury at the next level. I would also like to see him put on about 20 lbs of muscle. I wouldn't have any problem at all if he ended up as a Bill.
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