JM57 Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 This whole thread is facepalm city. 0% surprised how quickly it turned into Lamar Jackson = Tyrod Taylor = he's dumb and can't read a defense. 2
John from Riverside Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, JM57 said: This whole thread is facepalm city. 0% surprised how quickly it turned into Lamar Jackson = Tyrod Taylor = he's dumb and can't read a defense. THis
Ol Dirty B Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, JM57 said: This whole thread is facepalm city. 0% surprised how quickly it turned into Lamar Jackson = Tyrod Taylor = he's dumb and can't read a defense. I agree. It doesn't even make sense. Lamar Jackson has been making an effort to read defenses, throw from the pocket and keep his eyes down field for almost two years now. Maybe it won't work out, but to say they are alike is just ignorant. 1
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I have read he likes to capitalize on strengths vs weaknesses. More on a week to week basis though, and i hope he does that. However, I can't go off the unknown. McDermott hired a guy originally who wanted a pocket passer under center. I think it's fair to assume that's what he'd prefer. What I'm saying already happened, what you're talking about is something you'd hope would change. Do you want Tyrod back? Or a mobile qb? That is kind of the argument you are making, or are you just making an argument for the sake of it? I do not want Tyrod back, and LJ is not my favorite QB prospect in this draft. After Rosen and Darnold, my favorite is Allen. I’m not trying to make any argument in particular. I’m merely offering an opinion in opposition to posters who are saying that LJ is merely a running QB who can’t read defenses or go through his progressions. Having watched a lot of Jackson over the years, he has made tremendous strides to become a better pocket passer. He is reputed to be an extremely hard working player who is constantly watching film and working to better himself. If Dennison was still OC I would be opposed to drafting LJ. The Daboll hire, however, has me intrigued about what he could do with a QB like LJ. I think he has tremendous upside.
NewEra Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 We’d only be so lucky for him to fall to us at 21. I’d love to land Rosen, Darnold, Baker or Allen. To get them we have to trade up and I’m cool with trading up. But if McBeane doesn’t pull the trigger, Jackson is the only guy I’m ok with drafting in the first rd. If he’s not there, trade back or stack the front seven/OL. Hes a slecial athlete and from everything I’ve read a really good person as well. Outstanding arm. Outstanding feet. Just needs to be in a system built around him. Daboll could be a good guy for it. I just don’t like the way he talks. Teddy on a one year would be perfect if Jackson falls to us. Problem being, we won’t know if Lamar is going to be available until after we’d have to make a decision on teddy. If this happens. I’ll be ok with it. After watching Tyrod I was really looking forward to legit a pocket passer next. Unless we get one of those top 4 guys, I don’t think any of these other guys are gonna be the answer. I’d rather role the dice on Jackson who has great upside if he can be coached up.
Green Lightning Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 5 hours ago, PIZ said: I'm very intrigued with Jackson. The guy is electric. However, I am concerned about this: Completion %: 2015….. 54.7 2016..... 56.2 2017..... 59.1 College career average... 57.0 This is where I come down. I like to see 65% or so completion average. Anything below 60 really concerns me. We have enough inaccurate mobile quarterbacks around right now. We need a guy who can actually stay in the pocket and make the damn pass.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: This is where I come down. I like to see 65% or so completion average. Anything below 60 really concerns me. We have enough inaccurate mobile quarterbacks around right now. We need a guy who can actually stay in the pocket and make the damn pass. Jim Kelly’s NFL career completion % was 60.2. Just sayin....
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 Watch this game against NC State, that's Bradley Chubb at DE who's projected to go top 5 in this years draft, the defense was relentless against Jackson and I saw a completely different Jackson than in 2016, in 16' the first sign of pressure and he would take off, this year and this game he stands tall in the pocket and delivers some really nice "NFL" type throws, don't look at the designed run plays, those plays are designed to be running plays, look at him under pressure , most of the time calm but sometimes shaky and he delivers some really nice strikes, also makes some mistakes but you get to see the good and the bad with him in this game, I'm telling you Lamar Jackson is going to be an impact starter in the NFL, this guy is not just an athlete but has a cannon arm to go along with it, if we have the right coaches this guy can be something special. Just have a look, I know it's one game but it shows alot.
PIZ Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 If they take Jackson I will be excited, because I trust Beane and McDermott. If they like him, then I'll support it.
Ol Dirty B Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: Is it because he is a mobile qb or because he is black? Are you overwhelmingly stupid or it just other Bills fans? No response... big surprise.
Turk71 Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said: Well, it's quite simple and they were in these things they call paragraphs. We use them to separate thoughts. Coaches have shown they won't take advantage of an athletic qb, which is fine. It's a difference in philosophy, how they went about it, I'll disagree with. Buffalo bills fans obsession with the great white hope is a joke, it's flat out wrong. Peterman sucks. I was out at a bar for the playoff game, and people actually cheered when they saw peterman coming in. It's a joke and embarrassing. People are warming up to Alex Smith and he sucks too. He went a whole season without throwing a td pass to a wr. So yea it is a black thing going on with the fan base in my opinion. If you feel offended by that it's probably because their is some truth to it. But yea you're simple. I guess my problem is you characterizing Buffalo Bills fans as being of one mind and having the same opinions. I don't expect much from Peterman or think Tyrod was utilized properly. To call all Bills fans overwhelmingly stupid and bigoted as well is a ridiculous statement, and I wanted to know if you characterized yourself that way. You are a Bills fan after all.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 As far as drafting a quarterback goes, Mike Martz is loving Logan Woodside. He thinks he'll definitely be playing in the NFL. Not being very familiar with him, what's his projected round?
Ol Dirty B Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I guess my problem is you characterizing Buffalo Bills fans as being of one mind and having the same opinions. I don't expect much from Peterman or think Tyrod was utilized properly. To call all Bills fans overwhelmingly stupid and bigoted as well is a ridiculous statement, and I wanted to know if you characterized yourself that way. You are a Bills fan after all. Well this is pretty easy. 1) I'm calling out bills fans for being bigoted, I think it's a reputation they are starting to earn and deservingly so. 2) I'm a bills fan, not a fan of the bills fans. So I feel completely comfortable in myself and don't really worry about others. I know I'm not a racist, but i will say it is something i notice in the fan base. Yet if someone says bills fans are racist I know myself well enough where if they talk to me for 5 minutes they'll know I'm not. The ones who love manziel, defend incognito to no end, call for Peterman and trashed Dareus, Cordy, and Tyrod and Kaepernick . They are the ones who project poorly. If you're upset with me calling out that lot, well then you must be in it. And I'll stand by everything I said. Like I said, I'm a bills fan, not a fan of bills fans. 1
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I guess my problem is you characterizing Buffalo Bills fans as being of one mind and having the same opinions. I don't expect much from Peterman or think Tyrod was utilized properly. To call all Bills fans overwhelmingly stupid and bigoted as well is a ridiculous statement, and I wanted to know if you characterized yourself that way. You are a Bills fan after all. Amen!
transient Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 No thanks. If he’s lucky enough to get us to the Super Bowl you just know he’s in for a wardrobe malfunction, and no one wants to see that.
Ol Dirty B Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Amen! Amen what? I'm guessing you didn't read anything I said.
GunnerBill Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Wouldn't hate a shot on Jackson. Agree he has a very high ceiling. I have a low 2nd on him based on his tape - he is my 5th ranked Quarterback. It is certainly possible he goes in the first round. I would hate a trade up for Jackson. I think he is a guy you let come to you. I even think you might be able to execute a little trade back and get him though I am not advocating that. EDIT: just to go further.... I think Rosen, Mayfield and possibly Darnold are the three who could come in and start right off the bat. Rudolph I think would be ready at some point in 2018. Jackson I think like Mahomes this year in KC needs a full red shirt year. So if you go this route it makes the choice of vet bridge critical. Edited January 21, 2018 by GunnerBill
JM57 Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Green Lightning said: This is where I come down. I like to see 65% or so completion average. Anything below 60 really concerns me. We have enough inaccurate mobile quarterbacks around right now. We need a guy who can actually stay in the pocket and make the damn pass. I think that Jackson's accuracy has been negatively affected by a lack of skill at WR. He threw a decent amount of passes that were dropped by the receiver. He's definitely not been playing with much talent around him. I believe he will be the first offensive skill player from Louisville drafted since Devante Parker in 2014. 1
LeGOATski Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 6 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Watch this game against NC State, that's Bradley Chubb at DE who's projected to go top 5 in this years draft, the defense was relentless against Jackson and I saw a completely different Jackson than in 2016, in 16' the first sign of pressure and he would take off, this year and this game he stands tall in the pocket and delivers some really nice "NFL" type throws, don't look at the designed run plays, those plays are designed to be running plays, look at him under pressure , most of the time calm but sometimes shaky and he delivers some really nice strikes, also makes some mistakes but you get to see the good and the bad with him in this game, I'm telling you Lamar Jackson is going to be an impact starter in the NFL, this guy is not just an athlete but has a cannon arm to go along with it, if we have the right coaches this guy can be something special. Just have a look, I know it's one game but it shows alot. Is that not some of the worst footwork you've ever seen? Not setting, opening his hips too wide, and his spacing is all over the place. No wonder some of his throws are "hitting the medical tent." Dude needs a lot of work and should not be drafted in the 1st, although he most likely will. Why do so many people attribute athleticism and and a strong arm to upside? We should know by now that the QBs with the highest upside are the ones that can distribute the ball accurately to all parts of the field. Pocket control (awareness, movement skills, composure) is a necessity. Mobility is a big plus, but Rodgers, Smith, even Peterman - type mobility is all you need. 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Well this is pretty easy. 1) I'm calling out bills fans for being bigoted, I think it's a reputation they are starting to earn and deservingly so. 2) I'm a bills fan, not a fan of the bills fans. So I feel completely comfortable in myself and don't really worry about others. I know I'm not a racist, but i will say it is something i notice in the fan base. Yet if someone says bills fans are racist I know myself well enough where if they talk to me for 5 minutes they'll know I'm not. The ones who love manziel, defend incognito to no end, call for Peterman and trashed Dareus, Cordy, and Tyrod and Kaepernick . They are the ones who project poorly. If you're upset with me calling out that lot, well then you must be in it. And I'll stand by everything I said. Like I said, I'm a bills fan, not a fan of bills fans. So basically your thought process is “anyone who disagrees with me is a racist.” You’re an idiot. 2
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