Shutdown 2018

[Warren Zevon]

9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

A round table meeting, held with a group of political opponents who have demonstrated a complete unwillingness to negotiate honestly, in which a bevy of ideas are discussed, nothing is finalized, and nothing is structured constitutes reneging on commitments?

 

You're not just an idiot, you're an intellectually dishonest idiot.

 

Thank you for almost trying to engage in conversation and the backhanded complement.

 

Looks like Schumer and McConnell have come to an agreement and there will be a vote this afternoon... DACA pushed a couple weeks down the line

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

A round table meeting, held with a group of political opponents who have demonstrated a complete unwillingness to negotiate honestly, in which a bevy of ideas are discussed, nothing is finalized, and nothing is structured constitutes reneging on commitments?

 

You're not just an idiot, you're an intellectually dishonest idiot.

 

Dude, we know it wasn't binding. I am not so ignorant to think that what gets said by the president in a round table meeting is legally biding in regards to what legislation gets passed. Changes would (and often should!) get made.

 

The problem isn't that, it's that when someone actually delivers on their end of the deal and you change your mind, you don't get to blame them for the deal falling through. Which is what has happened.

 

I am also noting the change of tactics, where you have not refuted my details that a bipartisan group offered what the President said he wanted.

[B-Man]

ALICE STEWART: On shutdown, Democrats have a lot of explaining to do.

 

Chuck Schumer blames the GOP generally and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell specifically, saying the Democrats are happy to compromise, but “we will not be bullied.”

 

The reality is that Democrats chose protections for recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients over funding the government. They will have to explain that to the American people.

 

The fact is that, while there is tremendous support for protecting Dreamers, 56% of Americans, according to a recent CNN poll, said approving a budget to avoid a shutdown was more important than continuing DACA. Thirty-four percent thought renewing DACA was more important than preventing a shutdown.

 

President Trump has been clear on his goal for dealing with immigration. Along with a DACA fix, he wants increased security at the border, an end to chain migration, and an end to the visa lottery program.

 

With that in mind, Congress should have addressed first things first: fund the government now and address DACA by its March deadline. It’s shameful that our military and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) will suffer due to the reality show known as Congress.

 

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

ALICE STEWART: On shutdown, Democrats have a lot of explaining to do.

 

Chuck Schumer blames the GOP generally and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell specifically, saying the Democrats are happy to compromise, but “we will not be bullied.”

 

The reality is that Democrats chose protections for recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients over funding the government. They will have to explain that to the American people.

 

The fact is that, while there is tremendous support for protecting Dreamers, 56% of Americans, according to a recent CNN poll, said approving a budget to avoid a shutdown was more important than continuing DACA. Thirty-four percent thought renewing DACA was more important than preventing a shutdown.

 

President Trump has been clear on his goal for dealing with immigration. Along with a DACA fix, he wants increased security at the border, an end to chain migration, and an end to the visa lottery program.

 

With that in mind, Congress should have addressed first things first: fund the government now and address DACA by its March deadline. It’s shameful that our military and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) will suffer due to the reality show known as Congress The President.

 

 

 

 

Fixed it for you.

 

And oh, yeah, there WAS a bi-partisan offer for increased border security, ending chain migration for parents of DACA kids, and reworking the lottery system. Guess who 'effed it up?

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Fixed it for you.

 

And oh, yeah, there WAS a bi-partisan offer for increased border security, ending chain migration for parents of DACA kids, and reworking the lottery system. Guess who 'effed it up?

 

 

This is incorrect, but closed minds are common around here.

 

 

 

 

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[TakeYouToTasker]

4 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Fixed it for you.

 

And oh, yeah, there WAS a bi-partisan offer for increased border security, ending chain migration for parents of DACA kids, and reworking the lottery system. Guess who 'effed it up?

The money included was no anywhere near enough to fund the project, and was going to be used as a political football going forward.  The Democrats offer was "Give us what we want, and we'll give you less than what you want."

 

The President is holding out for "Let's exchange what we both want."

 

Add to that the fact that Senate Democrats  rejected 3 deals which would have extended CHIP and funded the military, and the government, without either side having to capitulate on DACA or the wall, which they could continue into further negotiations, and this sits squarely on the shoulders of Senator Schumer.

 

The truth is that there is no value to solutions to problems for Democrats.  They only benefit while the problem still exists so they can use it as a campaign issue.  It does them no good to lose an issue by allowing President Trump to have his name on the solution going into the midterms.

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

This is incorrect, but closed minds are common around here.

 

 

 

 

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I posted this earlier.

 

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If passed, the bill would appropriate $2.705 billion in border security improvements, eliminate the visa lottery, make permanent the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program -- offering a pathway to citizenship to those who qualify -- and limit "chain migration," or family-based migration, of the individuals eligible for the program.

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/dreamers-bill-immigration-graham-durbin-congress/index.html

 

So please. inform me how this rejected prompromise differs from the requests outlined

 

"I really do believe Democrats and Republicans, the people sitting in this room, really want to get something done," Mr. Trump said. He told them they should "put country before party," and he called for a permanent fix rather than a stop-gap bill.

"Let's see if we can get something done. I really think that we have a chance to do it. I think it's really important. You're talking about 800,000 people. You're talking about lots of other people who are affected, including people who live in our country, from a security standpoint," said Mr. Trump.

At same time however, Mr. Trump said that the U.S. needs stronger borders to block drug trafficking into the country, and he insisted on ending "chain migration" and "visa lottery" programs. The president said, as he has in the past, that other countries "give you the people they don't want" and "the United States takes those people."

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Fixed it for you.

 

And oh, yeah, there WAS a bi-partisan offer for increased border security, ending chain migration for parents of DACA kids, and reworking the lottery system. Guess who 'effed it up?

You are wrong. Durbin and Graham tried to push the dem agenda again. There was a pittance offered for border security, no real change to chain migration or the lottery system. If you are going to come down here and argue, know your stuff. Many of us are aware of what is really going on and won't fall for your misinformation.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

You are wrong. Durbin and Graham tried to push the dem agenda again. There was a pittance offered for border security, no real change to chain migration or the lottery system. If you are going to come down here and argue, know your stuff. Many of us are aware of what is really going on and won't fall for your misinformation.

 

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

I posted this earlier.

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If passed, the bill would appropriate $2.705 billion in border security improvements, eliminate the visa lottery, make permanent the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program -- offering a pathway to citizenship to those who qualify -- and limit "chain migration," or family-based migration, of the individuals eligible for the program.

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/dreamers-bill-immigration-graham-durbin-congress/index.html

 

So please. inform me how this rejected prompromise differs from the requests outlined

 

 

 

 Please read earlier quote. $2.705 billion dollars for border security. The requested amount of border patrols for 2017 was met. What WAS NOT met entirely (though still partially funded) was the Wall. I have also previously outlined why that is a foolish proposal that if you presented blindly even libertards would call it wasteful government spending.

 

If you know what is "actually going on" please provide me your information.

 

6 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

The money included was no anywhere near enough to fund the project, and was going to be used as a political football going forward.  The Democrats offer was "Give us what we want, and we'll give you less than what you want."

 

The President is holding out for "Let's exchange what we both want."

 

Add to that the fact that Senate Democrats  rejected 3 deals which would have extended CHIP and funded the military, and the government, without either side having to capitulate on DACA or the wall, which they could continue into further negotiations, and this sits squarely on the shoulders of Senator Schumer.

 

The truth is that there is no value to solutions to problems for Democrats.  They only benefit while the problem still exists so they can use it as a campaign issue.  It does them no good to lose an issue by allowing President Trump to have his name on the solution going into the midterms.

 

 

 

You mean like how McConnell is preventing soldier from getting paid so he can cry wolf: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4710181/senator-mcconnell-objects-military-pay-protection

[Deranged Rhino]

53 minutes ago, garybusey said:

 

Anon and Qanon are not the same thing.

 

QAnon started on 4chan.

 

Please do not insult me.

 

You're wrong. But that's not surprising. Q was on multiple boards, I don't 4chan. I've never 4chaned. 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

OK. Show me your specifics on the compromise that was rejected.

I know you like to call CNN Fake News, but it is at least fact checkable enough

 

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/dreamers-bill-immigration-graham-durbin-congress/index.html

 

Don't ask others to "show specifics" when you yourself won't.

 

You want to cite a bill, link to the bill.  Not CNN.

[Deranged Rhino]

44 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

A round table meeting, held with a group of political opponents who have demonstrated a complete unwillingness to negotiate honestly, in which a bevy of ideas are discussed, nothing is finalized, and nothing is structured constitutes reneging on commitments?

 

You're not just an idiot, you're an intellectually dishonest idiot.

 

Yup.

32 minutes ago, garybusey said:

 

Thank you for almost trying to engage in conversation and the backhanded complement.

 

Looks like Schumer and McConnell have come to an agreement and there will be a vote this afternoon... DACA pushed a couple weeks down the line

 

That means Schumer blinked. He lost. 

 

 

What changed? 

 

Dems voted with the Reps to reopen the government. Schumer lost. This was all stalling and distraction. 

[B-Man]

Senator Chuck Schumer is announcing that Senate Democrats plan to vote today to re-open the federal government and at least temporarily end the shutdown, pending debate in the next couple of weeks over DACA.

 

 

 

 

Shutdown ending, and Nancy Pelosi CAN’T get out from under this ‘dark cloud’ hanging over DC

 

‘This is called SPIN’! Look how MSNBC’s framing the end of the #SchumerShutdown

 

 

 

REMINDER:

 

[Tiberius]

It takes five of you wombat morons to take on one normal person and the wombats still look like idiots. 

Nice to see the CHIPs program alive and well. 

 

The Dreamers situation is in doubt though. The ethnic cleansing crowd will not allow a vote in the House and Trump probably won't sign any bill that angers his white nationalist base 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

It wasn't meaningless, Matt. It was stalling.

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It takes five of you wombat morons to take on one normal person and the wombats still look like idiots. 

Nice to see the CHIPs program alive and well. 

 

The Dreamers situation is in doubt though. The ethnic cleansing crowd will not allow a vote in the House and Trump probably won't sign any bill that angers his white nationalist base 

You have got to be the stupidest person on earth. In fact so stupid that I'm changing my mind on abortion, as long as it can be retroactive and include you.

[DC Tom]

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It takes five of you wombat morons to take on one normal person and the wombats still look like idiots. 

Nice to see the CHIPs program alive and well. 

 

The Dreamers situation is in doubt though. The ethnic cleansing crowd will not allow a vote in the House and Trump probably won't sign any bill that angers his white nationalist base 

 

CHIP was never threatened, retard.  

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I'm happy to see government on its way to open again. It's a pity that each party decided to take their chance to snipe at each other, and not actually fix a bunch of problems when they had the chance to.

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

CHIP was never threatened, retard.  

Republicans are in charge, ergo, it was threatened, douche bag. 

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

CHIP was never threatened, retard.  

 

Well, it lapsed back in November. It either takes true talent of mismanagement to let it slip that long, or about callousness to force it as a political football