B-Man Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Deserves it's own thread, I think. VP Mike Pence on govt. shutdown: "Rather than solve problems, Democratic leadership preferred a shutdown that has dangerous consequences for our national defense. Their action tonight- or lack thereof- is unconscionable." (ABC NEWS) This is how adults act............................ Mulvaney: Obama Administration Weaponized the Last Shutdown, It Won’t Happen This Time #SchumerShutdown Watch (Previously) CHUCK SCHUMER ON GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS: “It’s a politics of idiocy.” THE HILL: Democrats shut government down, but they're still struggling to explain why http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/369881-democrats-already-shut-government-down-but-theyre-still-struggling-to Edited January 20, 2018 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The Republicans can't even get to fifty votes in the Senate so that's just pure partisan crap to say this is the Dems fault alone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 Some headlines: .................. PLUS: Quote Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump FollowFollow @realDonaldTrump Democrats are holding our Military hostage over their desire to have unchecked illegal immigration. Can’t let that happen! 6:27 AM - 20 Jan 2018 ..........Tell me again about the time before the government shutdown, Papa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/19/16911148/government-shutdown-unified-control Quote "The government shutdown this weekend is the first time a true, honest-to-God shutdown has happened with a single party controlling the White House and Congress." Congratulations repblicans on making history! Quote What’s more, if Republicans really had 50 votes in the Senate, and cared deeply enough about keeping the government open, they could always heed Trump’s call and eliminate the filibuster, denying Democrats any ability to obstruct their agenda on issues where Republicans are united. This isn’t to pin exclusive blame on Republicans for the shutdown. Democrats have clearly decided that a shutdown is a price worth paying for a DACA deal. But what’s genuinely bizarre is that Republicans have decided a shutdown is a price worth paying for not doing a DACA deal, despite insisting they wantto do a DACA deal. This is a sharp difference between the current debate and the 2013 shutdown. The Republican demand then was for President Obama to agree to delay Obamacare, his signature achievement, for at least a year, throwing into question whether it would ever in fact take effect. It was an absurdly huge ask, one that no reasonable person would ever expect Obama to accept. Democrats’ ask in 2018, that Republicans agree to codify DACA in law, is something Republicans have already said they want to do. Also, don't forget Trump's comments on the 2013 government shut down. He said - “Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.” “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.” They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said. “So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added. Funny how much his point of view has changed now, isn't it? and don't forget where he was all for a government shut down in 2013 and congratulated the republicans for it - http://time.com/5109760/government-shutdown-donald-trump-tweets/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: Some headlines: .................. PLUS: ..........Tell me again about the time before the government shutdown, Papa Do you have a link to real source for that AP headline? Is that fake news? I went to the AP site and that's not what it said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Watching Schumer live on the Senate floor. Meeting with Trump Friday he offered to to fund the military fully for 1 year , Trump turned that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Durring our last shutdown does anyone know if illegal FISA violations used to attempt a soft coup were suspended, or if they were considered essential government activities? Asking for a friend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Durring our last shutdown does anyone know if illegal FISA violations used to attempt a soft coup were suspended, or if they were considered essential government activities? Asking for a friend. Essential. They fall under the national security rubric. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, ALF said: Watching Schumer live on the Senate floor. Meeting with Trump Friday he offered to to fund the military fully for 1 year , Trump turned that down. Yup.... He also wanted an expansion of chain migration and the visa lottery program and only 1/10 of the funding for the wall. #Shumer Shutdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 If the military gets no funding, then neither should congressmen and women, take away their pay and see how fast things get done 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cinga said: Yup.... He also wanted an expansion of chain migration and the visa lottery program and only 1/10 of the funding for the wall. #Shumer Shutdown link ? I try to keep up with this craziness but I always need help. Schumer press conference this afternoon h e said Trump put a $ amount on the table for the border wall this budget and Schumer agreed . He would not say the amount . Edited January 20, 2018 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Sabres down 2-0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Both parties are to blame here. Both parties hate each other and the American people suffer the consequences cause these boneheads can't agree on anything. let alone these government issues. Stop blaming one another and do the job you are supposed to do................... work for the American people. Case closed. Edited January 20, 2018 by njbuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Timing is everything... gotta tip the cap right now to Trump's team. This is just my 30,000 foot view of things: 1) The Dems just did exactly what the GOP did to them in 2013 - which exposes everyone on the left who was against the shutdown then (politicians and supporters) as being hypocrites. Those are EASY campaign adds to cut. 2) The fact the Dems chose to die on the DACA hill when there was no need to do so now makes it VERY easy for the GOP to paint them as caring more about ILLEGAL immigrants without citizenship than ACTUAL AMERICANS WITH CITIZENSHIP (capped because that's going to be/already is the talking point which will bludgeon the left during the midterms). 3) That lays the groundwork to release the FISA memo, which will bury the left in so much scandal they'll be too busy digging out of that collapsing house of cards to deal with points 1 and 2. The release will (supposedly) also end the Mueller probe, end the Russian collusion story, and bring down huge names on the left including (possibly) 44 himself - which, if you look at that preceding list is every talking point/campaign strategy the left was getting ready to use in the midterm push: *Obama campaigning, *Russian Collusion, *Mueller's never ending investigation. 4) The STOTU in 10 days from now will provide 45 a chance to not only call out all of this (with names and evidence), but also set him up to start to heal the nation with a unifying speech (if he can, he's given one great speech so far and lots of middling ones). Add that all up and you're looking at a bloodbath come midterms. The democratic party will be a smoldering pile of rubble, fractured (as much as the GOP is now) and exposed. Which, for me (who is not a GOPer or Dem) is a possible first step towards getting rid of the two party system (that's a ways down the road though). And the best part of all of this? The Dems did it all to themselves. Everything. From the decision to go along with the USIC coup attempt (oops), to the decision to push the Russian narrative (oops), to the decision to shutdown the government (oops)... Addendum: This is master level trolling: Edited January 20, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Heard Alan Dershowitz this morning taking about this issue. He said, Congress is like children playing with matches WRT the budget funding and shutting down the government. He said, enough. Take it away from the children. Make a Constitutional amendment to take away their power to be petulant azzholes and shut down the government. His position was that if the Congress can't agree on a budget by a date certain, then the budget automatically carries forward at the previous year's levels. (Of course a percentage increase could be included.) That way the government gets funded, and no shutdown can occur. Then, if and when they want to get serious, they could make amendments to the budget. He's about the most level-headed Democrat I've heard since Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Timing is everything... gotta tip the cap right now to Trump's team. This is just my 30,000 foot view of things: 1) The Dems just did exactly what the GOP did to them in 2013 - which exposes everyone on the left who was against the shutdown then (politicians and supporters) as being hypocrites. Those are EASY campaign adds to cut. 2) The fact the Dems chose to die on the DACA hill when there was no need to do so now makes it VERY easy for the GOP to paint them as caring more about ILLEGAL immigrants without citizenship than ACTUAL AMERICANS WITH CITIZENSHIP (capped because that's going to be/already is the talking point which will bludgeon the left during the midterms). 3) That lays the groundwork to release the FISA memo, which will bury the left in so much scandal they'll be too busy digging out of that collapsing house of cards to deal with points 1 and 2. The release will (supposedly) also end the Mueller probe, end the Russian collusion story, and bring down huge names on the left including (possibly) 44 himself - which, if you look at that preceding list is every talking point/campaign strategy the left was getting ready to use in the midterm push: *Obama campaigning, *Russian Collusion, *Mueller's never ending investigation. 4) The STOTU in 10 days from now will provide 45 a chance to not only call out all of this (with names and evidence), but also set him up to start to heal the nation with a unifying speech (if he can, he's given one great speech so far and lots of middling ones). Add that all up and you're looking at a bloodbath come midterms. The democratic party will be a smoldering pile of rubble, fractured (as much as the GOP is now) and exposed. Which, for me (who is not a GOPer or Dem) is a possible first step towards getting rid of the two party system (that's a ways down the road though). And the best part of all of this? The Dems did it all to themselves. Everything. From the decision to go along with the USIC coup attempt (oops), to the decision to push the Russian narrative (oops), to the decision to shutdown the government (oops)... Addendum: This is master level trolling: Would love to agree with you on all of this but there are other factors, the big one being the complicit with the left media. What's happening in the mueller/house/senate probes particularly with the FISA stuff isn't being widely reported. If people are looking at most major news outlets today, most of the coverage is blaming Trump and Republicans for the shutdown with a lot less coverage devoted to Schumer and the Dems trying to leverage (unrelated to the budget) immigration rights for Fed gov funding. Polling today is already showing that most Americans blame the R's and Trump for the shutdown. Schumer the dirtbag knows he can come out and say anything and most of the Media will report it, not question it and run wild with it. That and most Americans even those that vote don't pay close attention to what is really happening. The left pols only pay a political price after a period of sustained egregious acts. It took 8 years of Obama being a complete sham and a real turd and a rotten (rotten over a long period of time) candidate in Hillary to change the white house. The house and senate only flipped due to Obamacare. This shutdown and the 2016 election misdoings by the left IMO are tiny blips in comparison to Obamacare, 8 years of crappy Obama and crooked Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 ^^^^^ Crappy and Crooked. Sounds like a rom-com movie title if ever I heard one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Would love to agree with you on all of this but there are other factors, the big one being the complicit with the left media. What's happening in the mueller/house/senate probes particularly with the FISA stuff isn't being widely reported. If people are looking at most major news outlets today, most of the coverage is blaming Trump and Republicans for the shutdown with a lot less coverage devoted to Schumer and the Dems trying to leverage (unrelated to the budget) immigration rights for Fed gov funding. I hear you, and understand the point. My post is based on the memo being released and being as explosive as reported. If neither of those things are true it makes the rest of what I said moot. But remember this. It's early. Many in the MSM are paid contractors, who are actively invested in keeping this story from seeing the light of day because they will be implicated. It won't work. This isn't going to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: The Republicans can't even get to fifty votes in the Senate so that's just pure partisan crap to say this is the Dems fault alone The whole, "there is nothing in the bill democrats don't oppose" is pretty much how this will be perceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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