The Teddy Bridgewater Thread

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The endless comparisons of QBs like Tyrod and Lamar Jackson and Teddy Bridgewater need to end. Being mobile and black is not the end all be all of their evaluations.

 

I only saw him play a couple of times, and I wasn't wow'd.  He had flashes, he left plays on the field. 

 

So educate me: his stats look very Taylor-like or worse.  225 and 201 ypg.  14 TD/12 INT and 14 TD/9 INT.  6.6 and 6.9 YPA.  39 and 44 sacks.  A good completion percentage in the mid-60s, but the high sacks and low YPA suggest that he may have held onto the ball too long and checked down, and the TD/INT ratio is poor.

 

When I did my drafted QB evaluation, he fell into the "miss" bin because of his TD/INT ratio 1.3, but of course it could trend upwards.  I didn't look at sacks or YPG, but if I had included a 220 ypg cutoff, he is one of the QB who would have been excluded along with Kaepernick and Alex Smith.

 

What is it about his play that sets him apart or elevates him beyond Tyrod to you?

[SouthNYfan]

20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not necessarily, but I'm not discounting the possibility just because of the injury he sustained.  I see him as an option even with the associated risk. You don't and that's fine.

 

 

That does happen quite frequently as everyone knows, but the Vikings exercised due care with Bridgewater by placing him on PUP to begin the season and waiting until November to activate him after assessing where he was with recovery and watching him practice for a number of weeks.  Throwing out some blanket statement doesn't fly upon a closer examination. 

 

Throwing out a blanket statement that they exercised due caution doesn't fly either.

 

They cleared him 12 months after the injury.

A typical ACL is 9-10 months to be cleared for sports.

 

Keep saying you know better than everybody.

 

Bottom line is you're down playing his injury because for whatever reason you've fallen in love with the guy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Because I watched him play and I'm looking beyond the stats. 

 

So what are you seeing in his play that makes him such a good choice to be worth looking beyond a serious injury downgrade/reinjury potential, and why is what you see NOT reflected in his stats? 

 

Just like completion % in college QB, sometimes good stats mask serious eficiencies in a guy's game, but good play usually shows up in the stats somehow.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I only saw him play a couple of times, and I wasn't wow'd.  He had flashes, he left plays on the field. 

 

So educate me: his stats look very Taylor-like or worse.  225 and 201 ypg.  14 TD/12 INT and 14 TD/9 INT.  6.6 and 6.9 YPA.  39 and 44 sacks.  A good completion percentage in the mid-60s, but the high sacks and low YPA suggest that he may have held onto the ball too long and checked down, and the TD/INT ratio is poor.

 

When I did my drafted QB evaluation, he fell into the "miss" bin because of his TD/INT ratio 1.3, but of course it could trend upwards.  I didn't look at sacks or YPG, but if I had included a 220 ypg cutoff, he is one of the QB who would have been excluded along with Kaepernick and Alex Smith.

 

What is it about his play that sets him apart or elevates him beyond Tyrod to you?

 

I already explained what I saw in him earlier in the thread that makes him different from Tyrod.   He played pretty well for a young QB with a chance to improve with a better surrounding cast and more experience.  I would want the Bills to draft a QB in the 1st round even if he were signed.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

29 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

If they're interested and clear him, then so be it.  Every NFL team with interest will want to see firsthand where he is.

 

So you're happy about the Bills track record with signing and drafting injured players?

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Throwing out a blanket statement that they exercised due caution doesn't fly either.

 

They cleared him 12 months after the injury.

A typical ACL is 9-10 months to be cleared for sports.

 

Keep saying you know better than everybody.

 

Bottom line is you're down playing his injury because for whatever reason you've fallen in love with the guy.

 

Wrong! It was almost 18 months!

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So you're happy about the Bills track record with signing and drafting injured players?

 

They are they experts and it's up to them not you or me. 

[SouthNYfan]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Wrong! It was almost 18 months!

 

He was injured on August 30th, 2016.

 

He was cleared to practice October 16th, 2017.

 

That is 13.5 months.

 

He played in the game on December 17, 2017.

 

That's 15.5 months before entering a game.

 

Learn math.

Edited January 19, 2018 by SouthNYfan
Added Dec game

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The endless comparisons of QBs like Tyrod and Lamar Jackson and Teddy Bridgewater need to end. Being mobile and black is not the end all be all of their evaluations.

 

Bridgewater isn't mobile.  Try to keep up before plunging this into a race debate.

 

We are comparing Bridgewater to TT because, well, people are talking about replacing TT with Bridgewater........

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

He was injured on August 30th, 2016.

 

He was cleared to practice October 16th, 2017.

 

That is 13.5 months.

 

Learn math.

 

I remembered May, so I stand corrected. At any rate he was activated on November 8th and he still hasn't taken any hits on the knee.  I'll trust their judgment over a poster on TBD who has no access to his medical information. 

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I remembered May, so I stand corrected. At any rate he was activated on November 8th and he still hasn't taken any hits on the knee.  I'll trust their judgment over a poster on TBD who has no access to his medical information. 

 

I trust my judgement based on my professional opinion in regards to knee injuries, especially of this magnitude.

 

What expertise do you have with regards to knee/sports injuries other than Google?

Edited January 19, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

I already explained what I saw in him earlier in the thread that makes him different from Tyrod.   He played pretty well for a young QB with a chance to improve with a better surrounding cast and more experience.  I would want the Bills to draft a QB in the 1st round even if he were signed.

 

OK 26CornerBlitz.  Here is what you said earlier in the thread:

 

15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

He's nothing at all like Tyrod.  Nothing. 

 

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Leak in my cheerios? What does that have to do with challenging your assertion that he's like Tyrod when their respective games are nothing alike. 

 

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Bridgewater is a rhythm passer who can read defenses with the ability to get the ball out with timing and anticipation within the structure of an offense on short to intermeidiate throws. He's not a great deep ball thrower and isn't a great runner/scrambler.  He is in many ways is a polar opposite of Tyrod.  Thus my challenge to your assertion. 

 

13 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

I'm not sure what you looked at because they play the position differently. 

 

13 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

It is because Bridgewater plays within the structure and design of an offense with the ball coming out on time in 3, 5, and 7 step drops.  All things that Tyrod struggles with. 

 

You assert that he's a rhythm passer who can read D and gets the ball out with timing and anticipation.

 

Yet in his 2 years playing, he took tons of sacks - near bottom of the league tons of sacks; he did not throw many TDs - like near bottom of the league numbers of passing TDs; and he did not generate many passing yards - like near bottom of the league numbers of passing yards.

 

Now many good young passers do 1 or 2 of those things - like pass for a lot of yards but fail near the red zone.  or pass for a lot of yards but take lots of sacks too, 'cuz they hang onto the ball too long.  Or pass for a lot of yards but throw lots of picks 'cuz they get fooled.  Or pass for "meh" yards overall but throw lots of TDs cuz they throw deep and hit paydirt sometimes.

 

But if a young guy who's a good pocket passer, reads D, and gets the ball out on time to have league-bottoming stats in sacks, TDs, and passing yards suggests that he was not doing those things well.  What reveals this potential to you?

 

[26CornerBlitz]

8 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I trust my judgement based on my professional opinion in regards to knee injuries, especially of this magnitude.

 

What expertise do you have with regards to knee/sports injuries other than Google?

 

That's fine. You can generalize based on your expertise but you still have no access to his records and cannot say anything specific to his case. I'll trust the MIN team doctors who are familiar with the specifics over you.

Edited January 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[HappyDays]

26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

They’re all pretty terrible, is how I compare em.

 

Well that's completely different

[Coach Tuesday]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

The Tyrod & Teddy comparison isn't about skin color or mobility (Teddy doesn't come close). It's specifically about passing production, where they have incredibly similar yard numbers and Tyrod is 1% higher in TD% and 1% lower in INT%. Nothing about Teddy's production prior to his injury said he could even match Tyrod's passing production, and now he's coming off a terrible injury but people think he will be an upgrade? The odds are very much in favor of that not being the case whatsoever.

 

I still don't think it's a fair comparison.  Tyrod sat for the first what, 5 years of his career?  Bridgewater was thrown to the fire right away and played through rookie struggles.  He was trending upwards when he blew out his knee.  I don't think you can compare their stats for that reason, and they're totally different kinds of QBs.

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

That's fine. You can generalize based on your expertise but you still have no access to his records and cannot say anything specific to his case. I'll trust the MIN team doctors over you who are familiar with the specifics. 

 

You obviously still have not researched what injury he had.

 

Continue to say you trust Minnesota team doctors instead of actual knowledge of the mechanics of his injury.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK 26CornerBlitz.  Here is what you said earlier in the thread:

 

 

 

 

 

 

You assert that he's a rhythm passer who can read D and gets the ball out with timing and anticipation.

 

Yet in his 2 years playing, he took tons of sacks - near bottom of the league tons of sacks; he did not throw many TDs - like near bottom of the league numbers of passing TDs; and he did not generate many passing yards - like near bottom of the league numbers of passing yards.

 

Now many good young passers do 1 or 2 of those things - like pass for a lot of yards but fail near the red zone.  or pass for a lot of yards but take lots of sacks too, 'cuz they hang onto the ball too long.  Or pass for a lot of yards but throw lots of picks 'cuz they get fooled.  Or pass for "meh" yards overall but throw lots of TDs cuz they throw deep and hit paydirt sometimes.

 

But if a young guy who's a good pocket passer, reads D, and gets the ball out on time to have league-bottoming stats in sacks, TDs, and passing yards suggests that he was not doing those things well.  What reveals this potential to you?

 

 

Are you aware of the OL issues with the Vikings when he was playing that led to a number of the sacks he took? I am

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

You obviously still have not researched what injury he had.

 

Continue to say you trust Minnesota team doctors instead of actual knowledge of the mechanics of his injury.

 

You make quite a few assertions that you cannot back up including my supposedly falling in love with him which is preposterous when I merely see him as one of the veteran options that the Bills might consider.  I am keenly aware of the seriousness of the injury and the fear that was expressed by some that his career might be over. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I still don't think it's a fair comparison.  Tyrod sat for the first what, 5 years of his career?  Bridgewater was thrown to the fire right away and played through rookie struggles.  He was trending upwards when he blew out his knee.  I don't think you can compare their stats for that reason, and they're totally different kinds of QBs.

 

How was he trending upwards?  I mean, could he be this great reader of defenses and accurate passer...and dropped from his second year output?

 

Stats, in the end, are meaningful.  You can't ascribe all sorts of powers and gifted ability to a player, yet, over two seasons, not be able to point to where he produced the logical results expected from such talent.

 

Teddy is low wattage at QB. 

4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

You obviously still have not researched what injury he had.

 

Continue to say you trust Minnesota team doctors instead of actual knowledge of the mechanics of his injury.

 

There is no practical way for any team doctor to really know if his knee is capable of withstanding full contact play.  His was a freak injury that HAD to imply he had significant ligamentous instability at base.  It was a noncontact injury.  His femur slid off his tibia and nearly severed his popliteal artery, no?

[BuffaloHokie13]

5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I still don't think it's a fair comparison.  Tyrod sat for the first what, 5 years of his career?  Bridgewater was thrown to the fire right away and played through rookie struggles.  He was trending upwards when he blew out his knee.  I don't think you can compare their stats for that reason, and they're totally different kinds of QBs.

He was trending upwards?

In his 2nd year he went from 224.5 YPG to 201.9 YPG, 3.5% TD% to 3.1% TD%, YPA went down slightly, sack% went up slightly, and he had the same TD total in 16 games that he hit in 13 games the previous year.

 

Also, no matter how he was trending, he blew out his knee! Generally speaking, athletes don't ever fully recover from injuries like that, let alone improve after them.

 

Someone earlier brought up Dalton, Flacco, and Tannehill as better comparisons. 

Dalton threw for 3,400 yards and 20 TDs his rookie year, and then threw for 3,670 yards and 27 TDs his 2nd year.

Flacco threw for 2,971 yards and 14 TDs his rookie year (close), but then threw for 3,600 yards and 21 TDs in his 2nd year.

Tannehill threw for 3,294 yards and 12 TDs his rookie year, but then threw for 3,900 yards and 24 TDs in his 2nd year.

[BillsfanAZ]

14 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

You obviously still have not researched what injury he had.

 

Continue to say you trust Minnesota team doctors instead of actual knowledge of the mechanics of his injury.

My wife who is an ortho PA specializing in hips and knees is surprised the Vikings brought him back. Said the Bills should stay away. There was no video of the injury but I suspect it looked similar to Zach Millers of the Bears. 

[HappyDays]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

What is it about his play that sets him apart or elevates him beyond Tyrod to you?

 

I'm not saying he's necessarily better than Tyrod but they're definitely not the same QB like some people in this thread have tried to say. There's a reason Bridgewater was a 1st rounder and Tyrod was a 6th rounder. Bridgewater is more of a pocket/rhythm passer, struggles with deep accuracy, and is mobile but not as mobile as Tyrod. He throws players open more than Tyrod. If his career fails it will be for completely different reasons. He's also had much less time to develop and progress so on ceiling alone I would take Bridgewater over Tyrod right now.