Jackson, Rudolph or Pass

[1billsfan]

 

I voted for Jackson, simply because he just looks like he's going to become the best NFL QB that comes out of this draft. The other guys have really weird quirks to them...

 

Rosen has a real screwy personality

Mayfield does too, along with his being very short

Allen's college stats are ridiculously pitiful next to Jackson's

Darnold looks just "meh"

 

As for Rudolph, I'd rather go for the dynamic "high ceiling" star QB player in Jackson, and not the supposed safe "could become a solidly average NFL starter" player in Rudolph.

 

One thing for sure, this QB class does not seem "one for the ages" type of class as it was billed. I'm actually glad the Bills aren't drafting very high and forcing themselves into choosing from the QBs currently ranking as top 10. Our head coach and GM are from the Panthers, so they know you can have success a multidimensional QB talent like Cam Newton. They saw it up close. So if they did take Jackson, they could keep Taylor as the placeholder and have a solid QB group of Jackson, Taylor and Peterman for 2018.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

ProFootballFocus tracks Drop %:

Mayfield: 8.0%

Rosen: 7.5%

Rudolph: 6.6%

Lamar: 8.5%

Darnold: 4.3%

Allen: 4.8%

 

This is a percentage of drops compared to all attempts (with spikes and throw-aways, and I THINK balls batted at the line removed). I think it's important to note that because for example, Allen's drop % looks very low because his throws are so often off target, but I imagine if you were looking specifically at drop % of catchable balls, Allen's would be much more in line with his peers because his WRs were god awful.

 

But point being, compared to their total adjusted attempts numbers, Lamar had a higher percentage dropped than any of the other top prospects.

 

Rudolph's drop % should be in the minuses. His WR make so many obscene receptions that they way outnumber the amount of drops.

[Jay_Fixit]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

Allen's drop percentage makes his completion percentage even more scary. 

Guy is just not an accurate passer. 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

 

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

When was Bryce Petty drafted?

 

That'll give you an idea of when Rudolph will get picked...

 

I agree with this sentiment. Some people were mentioning Petty as a late one, early 2 and he went in the fourth. I think Rudolph goes in the fourth. I just don't see it with him. I'm not sure what the appeal is here. I'm not drafting either of these guys in the first, but at least Jackson has some high end potential. Rudolph is big and put up impressive numbers...he's also slow, played in a simple offense, has shoddy footwork, and an ok arm. Like many have said, he is a bigger, slower Bryce Petty in my opinion. 

 

There are the top four that go in the first. I think someone sneaks up and grabs Jackson at the end of the first with the extra year option. I really think that Allen, Darnold, and Rosen are the only first rounders, but Mayfield will be over drafted and Jackson sneaks in the first round as well. Then I honestly think we wait awhile for Rudolph, Falk, Ferguson and such to go. Those guys are 3-4s for me. Just my opinion, but I'm having hard time with all the Rudolph love. I just don't get it. 

 

I actually like Drew Lock more than some of the second tier.

Edited January 19, 2018 by MrEpsYtown

[jrober38]

15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

 

I agree with this sentiment. Some people were mentioning Petty as a late one, early 2 and he went in the fourth. I think Rudolph goes in the fourth. I just don't see it with him. I'm not sure what the appeal is here. I'm not drafting either of these guys in the first, but at least Jackson has some high end potential. Rudolph is big and put up impressive numbers...he's also slow, played in a simple offense, has shoddy footwork, and an ok arm. Like many have said, he is a bigger, slower Bryce Petty in my opinion. 

 

There are the top four that go in the first. I think someone sneaks up and grabs Jackson at the end of the first with the extra year option. I really think that Allen, Darnold, and Rosen are the only first rounders, but Mayfield will be over drafted and Jackson sneaks in the first round as well. Then I honestly think we wait awhile for Rudolph, Falk, Ferguson and such to go. Those guys are 3-4s for me. Just my opinion, but I'm having hard time with all the Rudolph love. I just don't get it. 

 

I actually like Drew Lock more than some of the second tier.

 

I rate Mayfield very highly but otherwise I agree. I think Allen will be over drafted, but I think he's a horrible prospect. He's not a good football player. 

 

The top prospects are Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield. Jackson has upside. Allen will get grossly over drafted due to his measurables.

 

Past them there's a big drop off. 

Edited January 20, 2018 by jrober38

[DCOrange]

17 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

 

I agree with this sentiment. Some people were mentioning Petty as a late one, early 2 and he went in the fourth. I think Rudolph goes in the fourth. I just don't see it with him. I'm not sure what the appeal is here. I'm not drafting either of these guys in the first, but at least Jackson has some high end potential. Rudolph is big and put up impressive numbers...he's also slow, played in a simple offense, has shoddy footwork, and an ok arm. Like many have said, he is a bigger, slower Bryce Petty in my opinion. 

 

There are the top four that go in the first. I think someone sneaks up and grabs Jackson at the end of the first with the extra year option. I really think that Allen, Darnold, and Rosen are the only first rounders, but Mayfield will be over drafted and Jackson sneaks in the first round as well. Then I honestly think we wait awhile for Rudolph, Falk, Ferguson and such to go. Those guys are 3-4s for me. Just my opinion, but I'm having hard time with all the Rudolph love. I just don't get it. 

 

I actually like Drew Lock more than some of the second tier.

I think Lock will be a first rounder next year. Wish he had stayed in this year’s draft to give Buffalo another option. 

[Green Lightning]

On 1/18/2018 at 8:36 AM, Dalton said:

I don't know if Rudolph is a good choice but Jackson is a bad choice IMO.  His accuracy issues would need a substantial improvement, not a marginal tweak.

 

Agree 100%.  Rudolph had a 65% pass completion, which is one of the thresholds that you'd like to see. TD to interception ratio was really good as well. Although I hate to even say this but he doesn't look like he sees the whole field - EJ Style. I haven't watched him enough to see if he has slow eyes or not!

[swnybillsfan]

55 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

 

Agree 100%.  Rudolph had a 65% pass completion, which is one of the thresholds that you'd like to see. TD to interception ratio was really good as well. Although I hate to even say this but he doesn't look like he sees the whole field - EJ Style. I haven't watched him enough to see if he has slow eyes or not!

i don't really know anything about these guys other than what i hear on the radio and read in these posts. but i do like what i have heard about rudolph, and i also like that he could be had without trading anything away. he seems to be a very "safe" or "boring" pick, but i don't see anything wrong with that. if he can execute the offense that our coaches want to run, i would sign up for that. a lot of people have opined that he is a rich man's peterman. i think that could be ok. 

[BeginnersMind]

Draft 5 starters this year or 4 and a project QB they are comfortable with. I hope they don’t trade away picks. 

[Green Lightning]

16 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

i don't really know anything about these guys other than what i hear on the radio and read in these posts. but i do like what i have heard about rudolph, and i also like that he could be had without trading anything away. he seems to be a very "safe" or "boring" pick, but i don't see anything wrong with that. if he can execute the offense that our coaches want to run, i would sign up for that. a lot of people have opined that he is a rich man's peterman. i think that could be ok. 

Particularly if they could bring him along slowly and not throw him into The fray. Let him sit a few years behind Smith or Bridgewater or AJ McCarron.

[OldTimer1960]

On January 18, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Bray Wyatt said:

if one of the guys we likes starts to get towards #10, i dont see any reason why we wouldnt trade one of the 1st and one of the 2nds to go up and get him

 

it would still leave us with another first round and second round pick

I don't think that would be enough to get to 10.

[swnybillsfan]

57 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Particularly if they could bring him along slowly and not throw him into The fray. Let him sit a few years behind Smith or Bridgewater or AJ McCarron.

i would be pretty weary of drafting someone that high only to sit him for multiple years, but if he sat for a year, year and a half...that could be fine. i would just be worried that if he is not going to be better than a journeyman, stop gap qb, within the first two years, then this is definitely not the guy we need. but..sitting until the guy is 100% ready to go would be nice. (even though we ridiculously overreactive fans will be screaming for him long, long before he is ready)

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, swnybillsfan said:

i would be pretty weary of drafting someone that high only to sit him for multiple years, but if he sat for a year, year and a half...that could be fine. i would just be worried that if he is not going to be better than a journeyman, stop gap qb, within the first two years, then this is definitely not the guy we need. but..sitting until the guy is 100% ready to go would be nice. (even though we ridiculously overreactive fans will be screaming for him long, long before he is ready)

 

Aaron Rodgers did okay by it as have others. I hear you though. It will be interesting to watch Mahomes next season.

Edited January 20, 2018 by Green Lightning

[swnybillsfan]

15 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

 

Aaron Rodgers did okay by it as have others. I hear you though. It will be interesting to watch Mahomes next season.

i was thinking about rodgers, but he was sitting behind favre. if we go with a journeyman veteran, i don't think he will be quite that caliber. but i am really hoping that this staff identifies their guy and goes for it. but i can also appreciate that each qb has his own price. i am sure they would give up much more to grab darnold than they would for rudolph, and i am trusting the process that they will make the right move for this team. 

[Green Lightning]

29 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

i was thinking about rodgers, but he was sitting behind favre. if we go with a journeyman veteran, i don't think he will be quite that caliber. but i am really hoping that this staff identifies their guy and goes for it. but i can also appreciate that each qb has his own price. i am sure they would give up much more to grab darnold than they would for rudolph, and i am trusting the process that they will make the right move for this team. 

It's all we can do. So far, so good. I just hope beyond all hope we finally draft a real QB.  I think these guys are the guys to do it.

 

[swnybillsfan]

47 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

It's all we can do. So far, so good. I just hope beyond all hope we finally draft a real QB.  I think these guys are the guys to do it.

 

that's kinda where i am. i feel really good about the kind of men that mcdermott wants on his team. and i also feel like beane has the right approach when it comes to finding value in the talent. hopefully these guys turn out to be as good as we hope they are. 

[MrEpsYtown]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I think Lock will be a first rounder next year. Wish he had stayed in this year’s draft to give Buffalo another option. 

 

Thanks I didn't realize he went back. I like him a lot. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

To me, accuracy is the most critical part of a QB. And it seems like both of these guys could have accuracy issues.

 

But how do you measure accuracy?! Completion percentage doesn’t seem to be a good indicator. 

[swnybillsfan]

6 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

To me, accuracy is the most critical part of a QB. And it seems like both of these guys could have accuracy issues.

 

But how do you measure accuracy?! Completion percentage doesn’t seem to be a good indicator. 

hopefully the people making these decisions are good at differentiating between the two. i really want a qb that can hit someone on the run. i have seen other teams do it, so i know it is within the rules. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....now that Beane/McD may have the broad/general parameters in their minds as far as offensive philosophy with Daboll hiring, which one is the better fit?.................