Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Baker Mayfield is very polarizing. He has always been a sleeer and that fuels him. Coming out of HS being a state champion in Texas he had only 3 D1 offers. Florida Atlantic, Rice and New Mexico. Baker Decided to double down on his own talent and walked on at Texas Tech. What happened next? Well he only earned the starting job as a True Freshman Overview The Sooners Slinger,Baker Mayfield, is listed at 6'1 220 but I suspect he's closer to 5'11, maybe 6'. That doesn't stop Mayfield from dominating on the field though. A knock on Baker over the years is that he doesn't exactly have a strong arm. Sure, he's a smaller guy, it's believable. But put on the tape. Baker has shown over and over that he can spin the ball 60 yards in the air... off his backfoot. Doesn't sound weak to me Baker has a nice release and throws with very good timing. What sets him apart from most of his peers is his advanced level of touch on throws to all levels. Mayfield throws a very catchable ball with good ball placement. He routinely gives his receivers the chance for YAC and big plays underrated athlete who can move inside and outside the pocket. Throws very well on the run Baker is a fierce competitor and players play hard for him. He has a gunslinging attitude and is not afraid of the big moments. Carved up Ohio State like a thanksgiving turkey Baker really needs to clean up his consistency at the next level. His field vision is inconsistent and he must fix that to continue his development He also has spotty lower body mechanics. As I said earlier , he can spin it 60 yards backfoot... key word backfoot. If Baker was more consistent with his lower body mechanics his arm talent will rise even more. Baker can get happy feet in the pocket and leave too early at times. He gets away with it in college but must refine his game in the NFL Will need to continue to develop his game under center since he spent most of his time at OU out of shotgun STRENGTHS -Fierce competitor -Throws very catchable ball -Good accuracy to all levels -Advanced levels of touch -underrated athlete -underrated arm strength - can maneuver inside and outside pocket -Throws well on run -Good football IQ -Works the seams -Good ball placement -throws with great timing -Difficult to Sack -Playmaker -Will throw receivers open NEGATIVES - Lower Body mechanics need work -Inconsistent field vision -Can get happy feet in pocket -Didn't play many top defenses -Shorter than ideal -needs work on maturity -can he stay in pocket? -Needs work under center -Transition from OU offense to NFL BOTTOM LINE Baker Mayfield has had a year for the ages. Before the season I didn't think much of his NFL prospects. His development as a QB has changed all that. Outside of Rosen and Darnold their isn't a QB in the draft who throws with as good of timing, touch, and accuracy as Mayfield. If you are willing to look past his size, Mayfield has Advanced levels of touch and accuracy which should land him somewhere in the first round GRADE 83.9 (High end starter) Edited January 18, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 This is our guy, hope the Bills figure that out. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: This is our guy, hope the Bills figure that out. I have always been a harsh evaluator. I usually harp on the negatives more than the positives. I nit pick everything but i really really struggled to come up with a laundry list of negatives for Baker. even what he does bad, by his standards, is better than a lot of prospects 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If this team doesn't draft Baker based on "character" I think that would be it for this regime for me. Off the field character isn't going to win you games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I have always been a harsh evaluator. I usually harp on the negatives more than the positives. I nit pick everything but i really really struggled to come up with a laundry list of negatives for Baker. even what he does bad, by his standards, is better than a lot of prospects Do you hear about who team's like and if so what do you think the Bills think of Mayfield? 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: If this team doesn't draft Baker based on "character" I think that would be it for this regime for me. Off the field character isn't going to win you games. As much as I would hate not taking Mayfield, McDermott has this team going in the right direction and will fill out this team in the draft and free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Do you hear about who team's like and if so what do you think the Bills think of Mayfield? Yea I hear a bunch of talk and rumors about which teams like who. I haven't heard many rumors about Baker to the Bills but I do know for a fact that the Bills did go to a few OU games this year to scout I would've been watching Baker like a hawk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yea I hear a bunch of talk and rumors about which teams like who. I haven't heard many rumors about Baker to the Bills but I do know for a fact that the Bills did go to a few OU games this year to scout I would've been watching Baker like a hawk Hopefully they stay right to the vest and take him when no one expects it. I wonder if all this talk that they don't like him is coming from media or are they putting out smoke screens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Baker Mayfield is very polarizing. He has always been a sleeer and that fuels him. Coming out of HS being a state champion in Texas he had only 3 D1 offers. Florida Atlantic, Rice and New Mexico. Baker Decided to double down on his own talent and walked on at Texas Tech. What happened next? Well he only earned the starting job as a True Freshman Overview The Sooners Slinger,Baker Mayfield, is listed at 6'1 220 but I suspect he's closer to 5'11, maybe 6'. That doesn't stop Mayfield from dominating on the field though. A knock on Baker over the years is that he doesn't exactly have a strong arm. Sure, he's a smaller guy, it's believable. But put on the tape. Baker has shown over and over that he can spin the ball 60 yards in the air... off his backfoot. Doesn't sound weak to me Baker has a nice release and throws with very good timing. What sets him apart from most of his peers is his advanced level of touch on throws to all levels. Mayfield throws a very catchable ball with good ball placement. He routinely gives his receivers the chance for YAC and big plays underrated athlete who can move inside and outside the pocket. Throws very well on the run Baker is a fierce competitor and players play hard for him. He has a gunslinging attitude and is not afraid of the big moments. Carved up Ohio State like a thanksgiving turkey Baker really needs to clean up his consistency at the next level. His field vision is inconsistent and he must fix that to continue his development He also has spotty lower body mechanics. As I said earlier , he can spin it 60 yards backfoot... key word backfoot. If Baker was more consistent with his lower body mechanics his arm talent will rise even more. Baker can get happy feet in the pocket and leave too early at times. He gets away with it in college but must refine his game in the NFL Will need to continue to develop his game under center since he spent most of his time at OU out of shotgun STRENGTHS -Fierce competitor -Throws very catchable ball -Good accuracy to all levels -Advanced levels of touch -underrated athlete -underrated arm strength - can maneuver inside and outside pocket -Throws well on run -Good football IQ -Works the seams -Good ball placement -throws with great timing -Difficult to Sack -Playmaker -Will throw receivers open NEGATIVES - Lower Body mechanics need work -Inconsistent field vision -Can get happy feet in pocket -Didn't play many top defenses -Shorter than ideal -needs work on maturity -can he stay in pocket? -Needs work under center -Transition from OU offense to NFL BOTTOM LINE Baker Mayfield has had a year for the ages. Before the season I didn't think much of his NFL prospects. His development as a QB has changed all that. Outside of Rosen and Darnold their isn't a QB in the draft who throws with as good of timing, touch, and accuracy as Mayfield. If you are willing to look past his size, Mayfield has Advanced levels of touch and accuracy which should land him somewhere in the first round Excellent write up. Terrific post. It also should be noted that every year he has improved. In addition, his teammates love him and rally around him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Hopefully they stay right to the vest and take him when no one expects it. I wonder if all this talk that they don't like him is coming from media or are they putting out smoke screens? I would assume it's the media. They try to put 2 and 2 together. McDermott is a no nonsense kinda guy and Baker doesn't exactly fit that but what they don't report about Baker that fits McDermotts mold is his work ethic, his drive, and ability to sacrifice to win 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Hopefully they stay right to the vest and take him when no one expects it. I wonder if all this talk that they don't like him is coming from media or are they putting out smoke screens? The Mayfield surge is not a secret. What the Bills know about him is what every other team in the league knows about him. If you want him you will have to reach up to near the top of the draft to get him. In my opinion whatever the cost is well worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I would assume it's the media. They try to put 2 and 2 together. McDermott is a no nonsense kinda guy and Baker doesn't exactly fit that but what they don't report about Baker that fits McDermotts mold is his work ethic, his drive, and ability to sacrifice to win Exactly, you can see how much the game means to him and how he has worked his butt off to get where he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yea I hear a bunch of talk and rumors about which teams like who. I haven't heard many rumors about Baker to the Bills but I do know for a fact that the Bills did go to a few OU games this year to scout I would've been watching Baker like a hawk ...need your expertise bud.....maybe it's nothing, but it seemed odd that Beane PERSONALLY scouted Rudolph in the October WVU game and his bowl game.....from what I'm reading, he should be available at 21/22 when Bflo picks or even lower.......what if he is their "safe yet unsexy" pick in that range?.......what is your assessment?.....much appreciated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: The Mayfield surge is not a secret. What the Bills know about him is what every other team in the league knows about him. If you want him you will have to reach up to near the top of the draft to get him. In my opinion whatever the cost is well worth it. I would trade up too. But then you hear jim Mora say he is a second rounder, so it makes me wonder where he is really ranked amongst GMs? Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...need your expertise bud.....maybe it's nothing, but it seemed odd that Beane PERSONALLY scouted Rudolph in the October WVU game and his bowl game.....from what I'm reading, he should be available at 21/22 when Bflo picks or even lower.......what if he is their "safe yet unsexy" pick in that range?.......what is your assessment?.....much appreciated... We don't need safe , we need the best. Time for this team to get the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I would trade up too. But then you hear jim Mora say he is a second rounder, so it makes me wonder where he is really ranked amongst GMs? In my opinion he is a top ten player, or even higher. This is a high demand position so it is going to ratchet up the demand. Anyone who thinks he is a second round pick is a crackpot who should either be laughed out or ignored. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...need your expertise bud.....maybe it's nothing, but it seemed odd that Beane PERSONALLY scouted Rudolph in the October WVU game and his bowl game.....from what I'm reading, he should be available at 21/22 when Bflo picks or even lower.......what if he is their "safe yet unsexy" pick in that range?.......what is your assessment?.....much appreciated... I will be doing a report on Mason Rudolph as well. I am not finished with it yet but I will say I would be more confident with Rudolph over say Josh Allen . He has played a bunch of games and gotten better yearly. He has good size and a good arm and I think he will go in the first 2 rounds. I think he'll definitely be there at 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnC said: In my opinion he is a top ten player, or even higher. This is a high demand position so it is going to ratchet up the demand. Anyone who thinks he is a second round pick is a crackpot who should either be laughed out or ignored. Well it is Jim Mora so .. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I would trade up too. But then you hear jim Mora say he is a second rounder, so it makes me wonder where he is really ranked amongst GMs? A lot of Execs and GMs and Lead scouts have him around 25-40 on their big board so a fringe first, early second round guy... BUT the adage is that you always draft a QB a round early so you don't lose him... this squarely put Baker in round 1 IMO and it shouldn't be over thought Edited January 17, 2018 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: A lot of Execs and GMs and Lead scouts have him around 25-40 on their big board so a fringe first, early second round guy... BUT the adage is that you always draft a QB a round early so you don't lose him... this squarely put Baker in round 1 IMO Sweet, this makes me feel much better about getting him. Let me guess they don't like his height and "character" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I would trade up too. But then you hear jim Mora say he is a second rounder, so it makes me wonder where he is really ranked amongst GMs? We don't need safe , we need the best. Time for this team to get the guy. ....BUT....BB, is this gang riverboat gamblers with draft capital or do they go safe and unsexy?........I'd bet safe....what is your take?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....BUT....BB, is this gang riverboat gamblers with draft capital or do they go safe and unsexy?........I'd bet safe....what is your take?..... They have made a ton of bold moves so far, I've got to conclude they will continue to do so. I believe that they traded to get all those picks so they had the draft capital to get a QB and fill out this team. Edited January 17, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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