Jimmy Garoppolo

[jdonley1180]

On 1/17/2018 at 3:50 PM, Billsfansinceday1 said:

I would.  He has the look of a budding superstar and has been observing Brady for 3 years.  Absolutely a better risk than anyone going into the draft.

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[prissythecat]

39 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I will jump on and day yes to RGIII 

Prior to his injury he was very good

He had a promising career derailed after one of the best rookie seasons ever by a QB.

 

 

Nick foles after his "breakout year" was a huge risk after being subpar in college, subpar his first partial season, so no I wouldn't for him.

 

Ryan Leaf ? Before the draft sure. After watching him in the NFL? Nope.

 

 

*Also leaf started 2-0 not 4-0. He also looked terrible in those starts.a Should get your stats right before arguing, unless you're counting preseason, in that case, say so."

 

Was RGIII really good or was that just the fad that was read option QBing?     I suspect its the latter.    At the end of the day,  you need someone who can stand in the pocket and read a defense.  None of those things RG III ever did well

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Wow. What am I dealing with here? ..

Now I wonder if you can read, let alone comprehend reality. Were  RGIII & Leaf available after their 1st season starting? Yes or no. If no, then your premise is as faulty as your intelligence, and doesn’t even rate an answer. Your dream sequence is the reason I couldn’t care less what speaks volumes to you. 

Ill leave you with this insight; don’t eat Tide pods.

 

Yet instead of answering an incredibly simple yes or no question, you continue to insult me. You won't answer, because answering either makes you a hypocrite or a moron.

 

Here's a final thought: Why don't you get a !@#$ing clue. Only an idiot spends two first round picks (plus players) on a guy with 7 starts.

[SouthNYfan]

14 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Was RGIII really good or was that just the fad that was read option QBing?     I suspect its the latter.    At the end of the day,  you need someone who can stand in the pocket and read a defense.  None of those things RG III ever did well

Never gonna know with him unfortunately.

 

His knee injury robbed him of not only his mobility, but he lost significant velocity.

If you know throwing mechanics, you'll know that you need a stable base to throw from, driving with your rear leg, generating power that drives through your core and into your upper body, translating into velocity on your throw.

His yards per attempt dropped significantly.

His ints increased.

Losing that much power/velocity could easily affect a QB to the point where windows that he used to be able to squeeze a ball into, he no longer can.

Fractions of a second can mean the difference between a comp and an int.

 

Not many QBs continue to play on a high level after a push-off knee injury, Rivers came back amazing, McNabb didn't, though he still had a decent career after, his best years were before the injury. 

 

Neither of them tore their ACL, LCL, and meniscus like rgiii did.

 

Multi ligament knee injuries are almost always ACL, MCL, and medial meniscus.

Rgii was a special case.

 

He tore the LCL partially prior and the Redskins put him in a brace and trotted him out there, limping, against the Seahawks.

 

He wound up with full ACL, LCL, and meniscus tears.

 

His knee was never stable again.

LCL injuries of that magnitude are savage.

 

So, going back to what you said, sure it could have been teams adjusted to the mobile QB style, but I will say that the injury had much more of a impact than any defensive adjustments did.

He lost velocity, and never adjusted his game to it.

 

Would he have been an all time great?

Who knows. Probably not.

Would he have had a solid couple more years as a upper tier QB(hopefully injury free)?

Almost certainly.

After that rookie season you cannot honestly say he would have been a bust.

 

[Young34]

On 1/17/2018 at 12:36 PM, Captain Hindsight said:

With Jimmy G likely to be franchised, would you sign him to an offer sheet and give up the two 1st rounders to get him?

 

 

Discuss

 

Six games played in 2017 is what we're willing to give up a first rounder (or more) for?

 

Out of the 6 games, here are the averages per game:

260 yards

1.16 TD's

.83 INT's

67% Completion

 

Before you say New England:

 

6 game season in 2016:

83 YPG

.66 TD's

0 INT's

68% Completion

 

We seem to be getting desperate as a fan-base. It's literally a solid 6 game season that people are willing to throw first round picks at. I'd much rather get a Smith or Cousins in 2018.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

(...)

If you know throwing mechanics, you'll know that you need a stable base to throw from, driving with your rear leg, generating power that drives through your core and into your upper body, translating into velocity on your throw. (...)

Losing that much power/velocity could easily affect a QB to the point where windows that he used to be able to squeeze a ball into, he no longer can.

Fractions of a second can mean the difference between a comp and an int.

(...)

Not many QBs continue to play on a high level after a push-off knee injury, Rivers came back amazing, McNabb didn't, though he still had a decent career after, his best years were before the injury. 

 

Edited to neutralize of specific QB

 

Which knee did Bridgewater injure?  It was his L, wasn't it, and he's R handed?

Edited January 19, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Young34 said:

 

Six games played in 2017 is what we're willing to give up a first rounder (or more) for?

 

Out of the 6 games, here are the averages per game:

260 yards

1.16 TD's

.83 INT's

67% Completion

 

Before you say New England:

 

6 game season in 2016:

83 YPG

.66 TD's

0 INT's

68% Completion

 

We seem to be getting desperate as a fan-base. It's literally a solid 6 game season that people are willing to throw first round picks at. I'd much rather get a Smith or Cousins in 2018.

 

You must have not watched any of his games this season to assess his ability to smoothly and quickly acclimate himself in a complex offense with the 49ers.  His footwork, release, ability to read defenses, throw with timing, anticipation, and accuracy both in the pocket and on the move were excellent.   The willingness to part with premium assets goes far beyond the numbers you just cited.   In the end, it's all for naught because he will not be availabe to any other team besides the 49ers.  If he were........

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

For a coach possibly on the way out( his choice) I get it.

If the kids worth two firsts then you keep him and tell your 40 year old QB, “ Last season Tommy Boy.” And you keep on winning with your new wonder boy.

If BB is as good as he seems to be this would be par for the course for him.

 

The gouge is that Kraft was the wild card here, who said "no, Tom Brady is not getting traded, he has earned some loyalty and you will keep playing him as long as he delivers"

[SouthNYfan]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Edited to neutralize of specific QB

 

Which knee did Bridgewater injure?

 

Teddy was his left (front) knee

Not his power leg

 

Front knee injuries typically cause a drop in accuracy in terms of sailing a ball more often due to instability on that leg, most often with a collateral ligament (see: Cutler trying to play with a grade 2 MCL in that one playoff game)

 

Bridgewater is a complete wildcard though.

He took an entire year+ off.

He also had a tibial-femoral dislocation +ACL.

That is literally one of the worst knee injuries (the dislocation, not the ACL).

He could be perfect, or his leg could collapse like wet tissue paper.

Compete unknown.

 

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The gouge is that Kraft was the wild card here, who said "no, Tom Brady is not getting traded, he has earned some loyalty and you will keep playing him as long as he delivers"

     Well, as they say here in the south,” Kraft screwed his own self.” ?

     And i must add, it warms the cockles of my heart if JG turns out as good as it looks like he might. I hope he chokes on JG’s success from afar.

[BillsClinton]

The folks that are balking at the hypothetical idea of trading two 1sts for Jimmy G because 7 NFL starts isn't a large enough sample size are likely the same people who would be happy to trade those two 1sts to move up and grab their college QB of choice with zero NFL experience. 

 

(again this is hypothetical, since SF is not letting him go)

Edited January 19, 2018 by BillsClinton

[NastyNateSoldiers]

The only way Garropollo leaves SF is if they had a wink wink deal in place for Cousins and manage to trade Garropollo for mutiple pks. Now this gonna happen not likely at all. But like someone said here earlier if Cleveland makes a big offer including there 2 firsts. That would give the 49ers 3pks in top 10 and a QB like Cousins that Shanahan has a repore with. Well that's alot to think bout.  But enticing. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

ll-advised Jimmy G trade will haunt Patriots if Tom Brady isn't right

Brady's sudden hand injury shifts the spotlight back to New England's controversial Jimmy Garoppolo trade.

The Patriots have a mini-crisis, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves if this turns into the worst-case scenario -- if Brady struggles and the defending Super Bowl champions lose to the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday.

 

If that's how it plays out, the Patriots will be subjected to an offseason of massive criticism, and it would be justified because they sold off the NFL's best insurance policy -- Jimmy Garoppolo -- for 50 cents on the dollar.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

The only way Garropollo leaves SF is if they had a wink wink deal in place for Cousins and manage to trade Garropollo for mutiple pks. Now this gonna happen not likely at all. But like someone said here earlier if Cleveland makes a big offer including there 2 firsts. That would give the 49ers 3pks in top 10 and a QB like Cousins that Shanahan has a repore with. Well that's alot to think bout.  But enticing. 

 

What a wild scenario. 

[row_33]

Opponents next year will take his game film apart and find his flaws and go after them mercilessly. He may be good enough to survive this, playing for a bad team hurts his chances though.

 

he got a who cares about a scrub pass this season

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by row_33

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Opponents next year will take his game film apart and find his flaws and go after them mercilessly. He may be good enough to survive this, playing for a bad team hurts his chances though.

 

he got a who cares about a scrub pass this season

 

 

 

 

What flaws are you referring to? 

[row_33]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What flaws are you referring to? 

 

He is perfect?

 

or ummmmmm....... you are declaring he has no flaws?

 

Nobody cared to look at him, now they will....

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

He is perfect?

 

or ummmmmm....... you are declaring he has no flaws?

 

 

I'm asking you what flaws you saw from watching him play that you expect teams to exploit and game plan against  next season. 

[SouthNYfan]

3 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

The only way Garropollo leaves SF is if they had a wink wink deal in place for Cousins and manage to trade Garropollo for mutiple pks. Now this gonna happen not likely at all. But like someone said here earlier if Cleveland makes a big offer including there 2 firsts. That would give the 49ers 3pks in top 10 and a QB like Cousins that Shanahan has a repore with. Well that's alot to think bout.  But enticing. 

 

Jimmy is worth the risk for somebody like us, throwing pick 21&22 for him, if we thought that was acceptable to do for any other QB in the draft, I think he's equal or better than them.

 

Cleveland? No f*cking way would they even consider #1 and #4 .

[SoTier]

14 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I will jump on and day yes to RGIII 

Prior to his injury he was very good

He had a promising career derailed after one of the best rookie seasons ever by a QB.

 

 

Nick foles after his "breakout year" was a huge risk after being subpar in college, subpar his first partial season, so no I wouldn't for him.

 

Ryan Leaf ? Before the draft sure. After watching him in the NFL? Nope.

 

 

*Also leaf started 2-0 not 4-0. He also looked terrible in those starts.a Should get your stats right before arguing, unless you're counting preseason, in that case, say so."

 

This sounds like the same excuse some still spout about Trent Edwards, "he was really good until that hit in the Arizona game..."  The fact is that RG III's game wasn't actually sustainable in the NFL because he didn't have/never developed most of the skills that an NFL QB needs to be better than mediocre, such as reading defenses, pocket presence, etc.  In college and as a rookie, he could get by with just using his physical ability but as NFL DCs developed "a book" on him,  he got worse and worse.  That's not something unique to RG III.  It's the same thing that befell both Kaepernick and Osweiler among others, which is why posters are saying "you need to see success over a longer period to judge a QB".   It's why I'm not annointing DeShon Watson as a great QB so far .... a 7 or 10 game sample simply isn't enough. 

 

If you roll back to the end of 2016, who was supposedly the best QB in the Class of 2016?  Dak Prescott, hands down.  Fast forward to 2017, and it's clear that Carson Wentz is head and shoulders the best so far but Jared Goff is now at least in the picture while there are some real question marks developing around Prescott because of how well he didn't play in 2017.