ricko1112 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 11 hours ago, billsfan11 said: Like for one, Chandler Jones for that guard, Cooper. Arizona absolutely hosed them on that. Cooper was just a throw in. They turned the draft pick they got in return into Joe Thuney and Malcolm Mitchell. Thuney started every game last year and is a very good lineman. Mitchell had some big catches last year. Unfortunately, he's got hurt before this season started. He'll be back next year. The trade was never about Cooper. If you want to use Kony Ealy as an example, I'll happily agree. Lazy and didn't buy in to the system. I'm glad it was only a 5th rounder. 11 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What I posted was not inaccurate. They will follow the way or not. Brady can not play for another 5 years. No it wasn't inaccurate. Brady just isn't at that point yet. He's still the best at his position.
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: No comparison here. RJ had exactly ONE pro start going into his final off season with Jax. JG has 8-10 starts and is UNDEFEATED as a starter! If I were @ OBD, I’d offer both of this years 1st’s AND next years 1st. If ‘throwing’ in Glenn and Tyrod would seal the deal, I’d do that too. So would you have offered that much at RGIII during his rookie season when he looked incredible? What about Nick Foles when he was putting up gaudy stats, was he worth two first round picks? 5 games is not a good sample size. Hopefully he's the real deal, but 5 games is a very small sample size to offer two first round picks and players. Just for context: Ryan Leaf went 4-0 his first 4 NFL games. 1
BillsFan130 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, ricko1112 said: Cooper was just a throw in. They turned the draft pick they got in return into Joe Thuney and Malcolm Mitchell. Thuney started every game last year and is a very good lineman. Mitchell had some big catches last year. Unfortunately, he's got hurt before this season started. He'll be back next year. The trade was never about Cooper. If you want to use Kony Ealy as an example, I'll happily agree. Lazy and didn't buy in to the system. I'm glad it was only a 5th rounder. No it wasn't inaccurate. Brady just isn't at that point yet. He's still the best at his position. You are correct, my mistake. I would say the Cardinals still won the trade by just giving a 2nd rounder for a great pass rusher, but yes I stand corrected. Completely forgot about the draft pick 1
ricko1112 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: You are correct, my mistake. I would say the Cardinals still won the trade by just giving a 2nd rounder for a great pass rusher, but yes I stand corrected. Completely forgot about the draft pick No worries. Lots of Pats fans don't even realize they even got a pick. Oh, and the part underneath Kony Ealy was meant for someone else. Sorry! 12 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What I posted was not inaccurate. They will follow the way or not. Brady can not play for another 5 years. No it wasn't inaccurate. Brady just isn't at that point yet. He's still the best at his position and it would be amazing for him to be around at 45 years old. Still, if he has 2 or 3 years of being a top 3-5 QB, you have to keep him. BB will draft his replacement this draft in the 2nd round. 1
Captain Hindsight Posted January 18, 2018 Author Posted January 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: There is zero...literally zero percent chance Jimmy will play anywhere other than SF this year. If Cleveland offered SF the #1 overall pick and the 4th Overall pick San Francisco wouldn't even pick up the phone. Jimmy is not available on any level. They are going to either sign him or Tag him 1 season and then negotiate the long term deal. No team in the NFL will have any chance at Jimmy and I am shocked people are still in this fairy tale. Even if it was a non exclusive tag, they will 100% match any offer given rather than take the 2 draft picks. Might as well wonder if we can get Aaron Rogers this year because their availability is the same...0%. Jimmy already had an intriguing resume in his limited starts in NE. Then he walks into a 1 win team mid season where he does not know the offense, and hasn't played a meaningful down of football in a long time. What does he do? A few weeks later he gets a chance to start where his TOP weapon to throw to is none other Maquise Goodwin (the same Goodwin about 95% of this board said is trash) and leads the Niners on a 5-0 win streak to end the season...a team that was 1-10 before Jimmy with the exact same roster. A team whose roster overall was considered near the bottom of the league talent wise. And one of those wins included the AFC Championship destined Jaguars and their top defense. Why would the Niners let Jimmy go to get two measly first round picks that statistically are more likely to bust than hit? Its not ever going to happen or be considered. Oh I totally agree. Just thought I'd see what people thought of him and that as a potential offer. I would love to snag him and would give up the picks to do it. But he wont get free. Just a fun hypothetical
SoTier Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Koko78 said: Does no one remember the lesson of Rob Johnson? Beware going after a guy with a short track record. I believe that Matt Flynn was another backup QB who parlayed one late season start with GB into a big pay day, too. Not to mention Colin Kaepernick who looked so good at the end of 2012 that the Niners not only signed him to a fat contract but sent Alex Smith off to KC. Then there's Brock Osweiler ...
prissythecat Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, SoTier said: I believe that Matt Flynn was another backup QB who parlayed one late season start with GB into a big pay day, too. Not to mention Colin Kaepernick who looked so good at the end of 2012 that the Niners not only signed him to a fat contract but sent Alex Smith off to KC. Then there's Brock Osweiler ... Yup. I recall that some folks were drooling over Matt Flynn and his six TD game against the scrub secondary of the Lions . We even had Flynn on our roster after he flamed out in Seattle / Oakland. It could be that Garoppolo is the real deal but I am also wary of flash in the pan performances and the fact that Belichick traded him away when he could have assured another decade of dominance...
billsredneck1 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 16 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....Shanahan wins out over Lynch and they sign HIS boy Cousins....Jimmy G walks and IMMEDIATELY signs with Bflo looking to extract revenge versus his old boss and old mentor.....hey, an old guy can dream in his waning years, right?......... that would be friggin awesome! 1
Mike in Syracuse Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 19 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: With Jimmy G likely to be franchised, would you sign him to an offer sheet and give up the two 1st rounders to get him? Discuss If you're willing to give up two 1st round picks for a guy who hasn't proven a thing in the NFL why wouldn't' you give up two picks for a guy who has played very well in the games he's played?
Cmdjr85 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Yup, this. I totally buy this part of that recent expose. The reporter had a lot of sources and the coverage was slanted towards Belichick, so some of the sources were almost certainly guys in Belichick's camp. In any case, I just don't see Garoppolo being available in any way, at any price. He said he had alot of sources.
ProcessTheTrust Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 Shhhhhhh. Don't let the Niners know how good he is or they might try to keep him long term.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 People thought Matt Cassel was a steal and someone thought Brock Osweiller was a steal and Jay Cutler and Jake Plummer, and ....... Let me see Jimmy G play a full season and then I'll call his great or not. 1
Misterbluesky Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 21 hours ago, Da webster guy said: If you could get a franchise qb, like say Brees or Rodgers, you'd trade your next 10 first rounders for them. Seriously. Personally I think Jimmy G's star is going to fade when DC's start getting film on the guy and learn his tendencies. But I'd give up two 1st rounders for the guy, I think any team would, even Belichick if Kraft the Mullet would let him. Brees has two years left..
Alphadawg7 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Oh I totally agree. Just thought I'd see what people thought of him and that as a potential offer. I would love to snag him and would give up the picks to do it. But he wont get free. Just a fun hypothetical Yeah I would love to get him too, and wish the Bills could have traded for him but there was probably no way the Pats were gonna let him remain in the division. I do wonder if the Bills offered the 21st pick in the draft compared to the Niners 2nd if that would have been enough to tip the scale for NE to trade him in the division though. But its not like the Pats were even going to call the Bills about it in the first place, so we never would have even had a chance to try. I actually would have been OK trading for Jimmy using a first back then too as I have been high on him. Funny thing is, it would have been WILDLY UNPOPULAR here because every single naysayer would have screamed we got fleeced because something must be wrong with him if Pats traded him to us and we are all suckers. Although would have been curious to see if Jimmy could have held the job after the snow game which would have been the only game he likely would have started as that was one where TT was out hurt.
Captain Hindsight Posted January 18, 2018 Author Posted January 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah I would love to get him too, and wish the Bills could have traded for him but there was probably no way the Pats were gonna let him remain in the division. I do wonder if the Bills offered the 21st pick in the draft compared to the Niners 2nd if that would have been enough to tip the scale for NE to trade him in the division though. But its not like the Pats were even going to call the Bills about it in the first place, so we never would have even had a chance to try. I actually would have been OK trading for Jimmy using a first back then too as I have been high on him. Funny thing is, it would have been WILDLY UNPOPULAR here because every single naysayer would have screamed we got fleeced because something must be wrong with him if Pats traded him to us and we are all suckers. Although would have been curious to see if Jimmy could have held the job after the snow game which would have been the only game he likely would have started as that was one where TT was out hurt. He would have been starting over Tyrod. No doubt about that in my mind
Chandler#81 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Koko78 said: So would you have offered that much at RGIII during his rookie season when he looked incredible? What about Nick Foles when he was putting up gaudy stats, was he worth two first round picks? 5 games is not a good sample size. Hopefully he's the real deal, but 5 games is a very small sample size to offer two first round picks and players. Just for context: Ryan Leaf went 4-0 his first 4 NFL games. RG111 & Ryan Leaf were rookies. Garrappollo is 7-0 https://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?sort=pct Tell me, do watch football?
Koko78 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: RG111 & Ryan Leaf were rookies. Garrappollo is 7-0 https://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?sort=pct Tell me, do watch football? And yet, he's only played 5 games with San Francisco. Whether or not he's a rookie is completely irrelevant to the question. You are basing your position on 7 whole games (two of which are with NE). Now you want to cherry pick. That's fun! Would you have traded two first round picks for RGIII during his rookie season? It's a simple yes or no question. What about Nick Foles? Ryan Leaf? The fact that you refuse to answer speaks volumes.
SouthNYfan Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Koko78 said: And yet, he's only played 5 games with San Francisco. Whether or not he's a rookie is completely irrelevant to the question. You are basing your position on 7 whole games (two of which are with NE). Now you want to cherry pick. That's fun! Would you have traded two first round picks for RGIII during his rookie season? It's a simple yes or no question. What about Nick Foles? Ryan Leaf? The fact that you refuse to answer speaks volumes. I will jump on and day yes to RGIII Prior to his injury he was very good He had a promising career derailed after one of the best rookie seasons ever by a QB. Nick foles after his "breakout year" was a huge risk after being subpar in college, subpar his first partial season, so no I wouldn't for him. Ryan Leaf ? Before the draft sure. After watching him in the NFL? Nope. *Also leaf started 2-0 not 4-0. He also looked terrible in those starts.a Should get your stats right before arguing, unless you're counting preseason, in that case, say so." Edited January 18, 2018 by SouthNYfan Added leaf stats at end
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Koko78 said: And yet, he's only played 5 games with San Francisco. Whether or not he's a rookie is completely irrelevant to the question. You are basing your position on 7 whole games (two of which are with NE). Now you want to cherry pick. That's fun! Would you have traded two first round picks for RGIII during his rookie season? It's a simple yes or no question. What about Nick Foles? Ryan Leaf? The fact that you refuse to answer speaks volumes. I was thinking earlier..... how many liked Jimmy when he was a Pat * ? The 2 Pats* wins we’re against soft teams. The SOS for SF may also have aided the 5 wins. And yes I know he beat 2 good teams too in Cali. Two high draft picks is too much imo Edited January 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
Chandler#81 Posted January 18, 2018 Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Koko78 said: And yet, he's only played 5 games with San Francisco. Whether or not he's a rookie is completely irrelevant to the question. You are basing your position on 7 whole games (two of which are with NE). Now you want to cherry pick. That's fun! Would you have traded two first round picks for RGIII during his rookie season? It's a simple yes or no question. What about Nick Foles? Ryan Leaf? The fact that you refuse to answer speaks volumes. Wow. What am I dealing with here? .. Now I wonder if you can read, let alone comprehend reality. Were RGIII & Leaf available after their 1st season starting? Yes or no. If no, then your premise is as faulty as your intelligence, and doesn’t even rate an answer. Your dream sequence is the reason I couldn’t care less what speaks volumes to you. Ill leave you with this insight; don’t eat Tide pods.
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