Ramza86 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I woulda fired him right after that 4th and short toss call. Jus sayin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 From his time in Arizona and Pittsburgh, you certainly get the impression he's an unlikable individual. I think that runs its course eventually. Getting into bar fights or "altercations" as a grown adult doesn't help your cause either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ben hates him. Looks like they are going to promote the QB coach. Their defense was worse than the offense though. It also doesn't help that they lost the centerpiece of their defense in Shazier to a horrible injury. These are tough guys, but seeing that kind of injury had to shake them up for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: in a related topic Munchak turns down second Cardinals interview It's unclear why Munchak declined the opportunity, but it's possible he sees himself as a candidate for the Steelers' offensive coordinator job now that Todd Haley will not return in the role next season I'll be curious to see if anything comes out about this down the line. I find it interesting that someone would (potentially) turn down a shot at being a head coach for a shot at being an OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No. No, you would not have loved him in Buffalo. He's the coaching equivalent of roquefort cheese. At first, it can impart to a dish a unique flavor like no other and you savor the results. But then you realize that it only works with specific combinations of ingredients. It can be arrogantly overpowering despite how good it seems to its fans. And gradually, if you don't contain it successfully, it imparts its flavor to every cheese in the drawer and develops an ammonia-like stench until you're forced to clean out the lot, scrub out the drawer, and start over. Ask the Chiefs. For that matter, did you catch in that WGR interview about Daboll in KC, the part about the mess Haley left behind him? Haha nice post. And no I can’t say I did. Was Just judging based on my own observations with Pittsburgh. I really liked some of the concepts he used with them. Their run game, mis directions, using Bell as a receiver, screens. I know he had tons of talent on that offence, but hard to argue with the results. I mean, they just scored 42 points and almost 600 yards of offence against one of the best defences in the league. What more do they want from their offence? Lol I believe not bringing him back had little to do with results, and more to do with Bens relationship with him. According to reports anyways Edited January 17, 2018 by billsfan11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, dpberr said: From his time in Arizona and Pittsburgh, you certainly get the impression he's an unlikable individual. I think that runs its course eventually. Getting into bar fights or "altercations" as a grown adult doesn't help your cause either. Don't forget his HC stint in KC. I think he did well in AZ because Whisenhunt had both the knowledge and the personality to be a check-and-balance on Haley, and he had Kurt Warner. In KC, he failed to get the best out of Matt Cassel while serving as his own OC. To his credit, he brought in Charlie Weis who took them to the playoffs, but it's not been clear to me why Charlie left the following year. The bar fight was a ridiculous distraction, especially if the cause is as Shady Bills Fan specified. Control your damn libido and keep it out of the public eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ben hates him. Looks like they are going to promote the QB coach. Their defense was worse than the offense though. Their defense lost its leader in Shazier which matters and while 31pts still isn't a pretty number, JAX defense contributed directly to 14pts between the fumble rec for TD and the INT on the PIT 20. That put their defense in a big hole quick. That said it doesn't excuse the deep passes they allowed late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: My thought was that Munchak (the OL coach) turned down the 2nd Cardinals HC interview because he thought he might become the Steelers OC. If that is true he is a complete moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Wonder how much pressure Big Ben put on the Steeler's brass...it's either me or Haley. If you choose to keep Haley, I'll retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I might be thinking of a different guy, but wasn't he the one that made fun of buffalo years ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: https://t.co/VFjUpOsuHw?amp=1 Yeah because it was his fault they only scored 41 points 50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ben hates him. Looks like they are going to promote the QB coach. Their defense was worse than the offense though. I thought they got over that a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: Wonder how much pressure Big Ben put on the Steeler's brass...it's either me or Haley. If you choose to keep Haley, I'll retire. Kind of strange that a guy who had all kinds of legal trouble in back rooms and hallways in bars like Ben had, before he found God/married/started family, could not counsel Haley and get him on the straight and narrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'm not a fan of Haley. I don't think he's very creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Wonder how much pressure Big Ben put on the Steeler's brass...it's either me or Haley. If you choose to keep Haley, I'll retire. I thought it was a given Ben retires this year. He himself said he was hairbreadth away from retiring last year and this was confirmed by his teammates and friends. Surely after one more year of NFL pounding and his skills eroding that hairbreadth gap would have closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, cba fan said: Kind of strange that a guy who had all kinds of legal trouble in back rooms and hallways in bars like Ben had, before he found God/married/started family, could not counsel Haley and get him on the straight and narrow. How many instances do you know of where a player councils a coach and "takes them under his wing?" Normally it is the other way around. I applaud Ben for turning his life around; like you indicated, Ben was a punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I really liked some of the concepts he used with them. Their run game, mis directions, using Bell as a receiver, screens. I know he had tons of talent on that offence, but hard to argue with the results. I mean, they just scored 42 points and almost 600 yards of offence against one of the best defences in the league. This is the "flavor like no other" part of the Roquefort analogy. It can be good stuff, make no mistake. Quote What more do they want from their offence? Lol Success on 4th down, LOL. Haley pushes a form of advanced analytics for game day decisions, including when to do onside kicks and when to go for it on 4th down http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2010/10/todd-haley-advanced-nfl-stats-coach-of.html has some stuff on this. That was far from the first mystifying 4th down call from Haley in the playoffs, or with the Steelers: https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/952619357535899649/video/1 As HC of the Chiefs, Haley loved unnecessary and unexpected onside kicks. I think he may have sold that philosophy to Tomlin. This is the "if you don't contain it successfully, it imparts its flavor to every cheese in the drawer" part of the analogy Quote I believe not bringing him back had little to do with results, and more to do with Bens relationship with him. According to reports anyways He did not get along with Big Ben and it wouldn't be a hard guess to think he was offensive to his assistants. That is the "arrogantly overpowering" part of the analogy. But it had to do with results. Make no mistake, the Steelers convert on those 4th downs, succeed on that onside kick, and win the game, Haley stays and Big Ben and Haley get told to kiss and make up. But they failed, and Tomlin wound up looking stupid on a national stage. First rule of work: Don't embarrass your boss or make your boss look stupid in public. So Tomlin threw Haley out and scrubbed the drawer. Edited January 17, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I woulda fired him right after that 4th and short toss call. Jus sayin Tomlins fault for not kicking field goals on those 4th downs. They Would Have Won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, cba fan said: If that is true he is a complete moron. I liked your comment, but then it occurred to me that working with the Killer Bs might be more appealing than with a team that has zero QBs on contract for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since79 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Todd Haley will likely never consider Buffalo even with an offer. I remember this from last year, best friends with Lynn. http://www.espn.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/90195/anthony-lynn-todd-haley-brothers-for-life-after-lynn-dodged-death Would not be surprised if he landed on Lynn's staff in San Diego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is the "flavor like no other" part of the Roquefort analogy. It can be good stuff, make no mistake. Success on 4th down, LOL. Haley pushes a form of advanced analytics for game day decisions, including when to do onside kicks and when to go for it on 4th down http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2010/10/todd-haley-advanced-nfl-stats-coach-of.html has some stuff on this. That was far from the first mystifying 4th down call from Haley in the playoffs, or with the Steelers: https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/952619357535899649/video/1 As HC of the Chiefs, Haley loved unnecessary and unexpected onside kicks. I think he may have sold that philosophy to Tomlin. This is the "if you don't contain it successfully, it imparts its flavor to every cheese in the drawer" part of the analogy He did not get along with Big Ben and it wouldn't be a hard guess to think he was offensive to his assistants. That is the "arrogantly overpowering" part of the analogy. But it had to do with results. Make no mistake, the Steelers convert on those 4th downs, succeed on that onside kick, and win the game, Haley stays and Big Ben and Haley get told to kiss and make up. But they failed, and Tomlin wound up looking stupid on a national stage. First rule of work: Don't embarrass your boss or make your boss look stupid in public. So Tomlin threw Haley out and scrubbed the drawer. Once again, good post. From what I have heard and read, Mike Tomlin was the one who didn’t want Big Ben sneaking on 4th downs anymores. Or at least it was an agreement between him and Haley. So while those 4th down plays were questionable, a QB sneak was not an option for Haley to call for whatever reason. And fair enough about having better success on 4th down. But that’s nitpickin to a certain degree. At the end of the day they got 42 points and racked up huge yards against a great defence. Their defence is by far the most important reason in which why they lost, not the offence. If someone told you before the game Pitts was going to score 42 points, but gave up a fumble returned for a TD, Ben throwing a pick, and didn’t convert on a couple 4th downs, wouldn’t you still guess they would beat the Jaguars by at least 14 points? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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