xRUSHx Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If you have a very good defense or a defense on a hot streak with lots of opportune turnovers, you can win games with a mediocre qb who avoids turnovers. I think most will grant that TT can win those kind of games. His limitations are obvious to anyone not blinded by irrational bias (and/or a member of the national media.) We'll be getting a new qb in 2018 and thankfully this prolonged, pointless discussion will go the way of EJ and Orton and a dozen other failed qbs. We all hope change will happen, sadly we all thought change would happen before and boom we get a Brown, a CJ, a Peterman. We all wanted change and boom we get a EJ, we all wanted change again with McD and boom we continue with a QB hand picked by Rex. Until it happens we all hold our breathe. The problem is trying for a top prospect over the ones left over, picking up other teams backups . EJ was just a bad class to pick a top one in. Need to hold the QB position in a higher regard before we will ever have one that can be considered franchise worthy. This is the draft to do it. Edited January 21, 2018 by xRUSHx
Dr. Who Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: We all hope change will happen, sadly we all thought change would happen before and boom we get a Brown. We all wanted change and boom we get a EJ, we all wanted change again with McD and boom we continue with a QB hand picked by Rex. Until it happens we all hold our breathe. Starting Peterman and post-season talk from Beane indicates to me a qb change will be a priority. I'll be surprised if Taylor isn't cut or traded. 1
JaCrispy Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Starting Peterman and post-season talk from Beane indicates to me a qb change will be a priority. I'll be surprised if Taylor isn't cut or traded. Man, can you imagine going through a 4th season with Tyrod? what a tragically boring season without hope that would be imo...if that ever happened I would go to Transplant’s house and set a bag of poop on fire on his front porch...and yes, I said poop. Lol Edited January 21, 2018 by JaCrispy 1
Dr. Who Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Man, can you imagine going through a 4th season with Tyrod? what a tragically boring season without hope that would be imo. I would literally boycott the season. Life is too short to willingly torture yourself. 1
xRUSHx Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Starting Peterman and post-season talk from Beane indicates to me a qb change will be a priority. I'll be surprised if Taylor isn't cut or traded. We all will be but we were all suprised that Tyrod was brought back with a new staff. With the firing of the OC they can now blame the OC and bring him back because hey he is the best we have had, we can win with him. Truth is we can win with ANY backup QB, we won with Peterman Webb against Indy. Sadly the COT is still out trying to make excuses about Tyrod and bad excuses to keep him to help OBD in the quest to be a team that never finds a franchise worthy QB, one that is truly good enough. Im with you man thinking it is finally over but I also see it just might not be. Edited January 21, 2018 by xRUSHx
Hurricane Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: I would literally boycott the season. Life is too short to willingly torture yourself. I could sure as hell get a lot of fishing in on Sundays ... 2
xRUSHx Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Man, can you imagine going through a 4th season with Tyrod? what a tragically boring season without hope that would be imo...if that ever happened I would go to Transplant’s house and set a bag of poop on fire on his front porch. I bet that line in front of his house would be a very long line. We better get a few busses ready on stand by. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 Winning records. Yeah or Nay? Mark Sanchez: 37-35 (.514) Nick Foles: 20-16 (.556) 18 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Man, can you imagine going through a 4th season with Tyrod? what a tragically boring season without hope that would be imo...if that ever happened I would go to Transplant’s house and set a bag of poop on fire on his front porch...and yes, I said poop. Lol
xRUSHx Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Winning records. Yeah or Nay? Mark Sanchez: 37-35 (.514) Nick Foles: 20-16 (.556) Backup talent that will not be getting 18 Mill in 2018. Both are much better then Tyrod IMO. Edited January 21, 2018 by xRUSHx
Stank_Nasty Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Osweiller has won more than he lost. Then he was “let go”. He wasn’t good enough. The defense helped him. It was not the other way around. Again. Comparing a qb that did well for a half a season with a generational defense to one that has played 3 years with an inconsistent defense is honestly just sorta dumb. Seriously. You gotta be better than that. I get it. You gotta be right. It’s your thing. You grasp at straws to make sure that happens. But come on man. It’s a dumb comparison.
xRUSHx Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: Again. Comparing a qb that did well for a half a season with a generational defense to one that has played 3 years with an inconsistent defense is honestly just sorta dumb. Seriously. You gotta be better than that. I get it. You gotta be right. It’s your thing. You grasp at straws to make sure that happens. But come on man. It’s a dumb comparison. Dumb is standing up to defend not good enough with the same type of stale excuses during the last staff Tyrod. Keep sipping on a straw of stale while pretending your drinking something that is good enough when we all know it is not. It has a nasty smell it is time to throw it out.
Stank_Nasty Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Winning records. Yeah or Nay? Mark Sanchez: 37-35 (.514) Nick Foles: 20-16 (.556) Much better examples than your weak broncos one. I’ll Give you that. 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: Dumb is standing up to defend not good enough with the same type of stale excuses during the last staff Tyrod. Keep sipping on a straw of stale while pretending your drinking something that is good enough when we all know it is not. It has a nasty smell it is time to throw it out. Dude. Just becuz I debate your idiotic diatribe on Taylor doesn’t mean I want him back. How many times do I need to say this before you get it? Are you that simple? You don’t say smart things. You blabbed on and on about how they had no chance with Taylor if he started after the colts game and then they went to the playoffs. You just say dramatic dumb things. They get debated by people that have some sense and then you label them “COT”... which is soooo douchey by the way. Do people not see how lame that saying is? I can can not be satisfied with the qb and want more while still debating how ridiculous your takes are. Try and wrap your head around that. 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: Backup talent that will not be getting 18 Mill in 2018. Both are much better then Tyrod IMO. Lolololol. I think I was just talking about the dumb things you say about Taylor and then you totally prove me right by saying Sanchez is a better qb. This is CLASSIC xrush right here! PERFECT!!! Hahahaha. Edited January 21, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1
Thurman#1 Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) On 1/20/2018 at 7:50 AM, BADOLBILZ said: I thought we were all in agreement as a fanbase that the OC and the WR personnel were awful? You expected Tyrod to GREATLY IMPROVE in that situation? Really? Why didn't McCoy GREATLY IMPROVE then? Is he a bum because his play dropped off so dramatically? There is just a lot of nonsensical reasoning in the anti-Tyrod rationale. Long term you need a franchise QB to be competitive year-in and year-out for a decade.......that's been the case for decades now........but what's going on with the anti-Tyrod crusade is just "anybody but" scapegoating. Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Blake Bortles have all been in the "he will never be able to win" category VERY recently. Wise-up folks. Wanting to get better at a position doesn't mean you have to create a narrative in your mind that the QB you want to replace is incompetent. You folks keep throwing up the Foles/Keenum/Bortles argument despite the fact that it pretty weak. If Tyrod had ever developed to the point that he was playing like Keenum has this year he'd have the Bills desperate to sign him to a long-term contract at well over $20 mill a year. But he hasn't come anywhere close, despite the fact that Tyrod's been in the league seven years and started more games than Keenum. Keenum is playing really well. Tyrod is, well, not. Bortles is probably a bit better than Tyrod this year, but in the same ballpark. He's the best argument for the fact that you can get to a conference game at least once with a QB who's not real great. But this is only his fourth year. That's the time of your career when you often see guys making major improvements. Bortles has absolutely gotten better, and could still get a bunch better. But Foles isn't the reason that team is in the conference championship game. If they hadn't given up major pick value in their move up to get Wentz, they wouldn't be here today. Philly's excellent QB play this year has been 90% Wentz and 10% Foles. Foles is the backup. If you throw Tyrod in with the Foles/Keenum/Bortles group, Tyrod has the most time in the league. That's the problem. We know who he is. Edited January 21, 2018 by Thurman#1 1
xRUSHx Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Much better examples than your weak broncos one. I’ll Give you that. Dude. Just becuz I debate your idiotic diatribe on tailor doesn’t mean I want him back. How many times do I need to say this before you get it? Are you that simple? You don’t say smart things. You blabbed on and on about how they had no chance with Taylor if he started after the colts game and then they went to the playoffs. You just say dramatic dumb things. They get debated by people that have some sense and then you label them “COT”... which is soooo douchey by the way. Do people not see how lame that saying is? I can can not be satisfied with the qb and want more while still debating how ridiculous your takes are. Try and wrap your head around that. It is simple to see for most that they did not win because of Tyrod, they won in spite of him. Yes it is that simple.
Stank_Nasty Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: It is simple to see for most that they did not win because of Tyrod, they won in spite of him. Yes it is that simple. Right. Becuz the defense was so consisten this year and Taylor played awful during the 5-2 start. you are a different sort of creature man. Impressive. I dont even like taking up for Taylor anymore becuz I’m just sooo over him but you are just so awful. Edited January 21, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
Foxx Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: Right. Let’s use the Broncos title team as an example. Literally one of the best defenses of the last 10-15 years. Not to mention putting 2 qb’s that played half a season of work against 3 full years is really flawed and just silly. I wouldn’t expect anything different though becuz you always twist things in the name of being right..... what a bad comparison. Seriously. You can nit pick up exceptions all you want but as a general rule qb’s that win more than they lose over a span(NOT A HALF SEASON WITH AN ALL WORLD DEFENSE) aren’t bad qb’s. And i I have no problems cutting bait. Let’s just talk with some sense about the guy. And please stop using bad comparisons to prove points. first your criteria was winning more games than losing. now you want to add criteria and move the goal posts. this is a circle jerk? 35 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Man, can you imagine going through a 4th season with Tyrod? what a tragically boring season without hope that would be imo...if that ever happened I would go to Transplant’s house and set a bag of poop on fire on his front porch...and yes, I said poop. Lol i'll be your sponsor. Edited January 21, 2018 by Foxx 2
Stank_Nasty Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: first your criteria was winning more games than losing. now you want to add criteria and move the goal posts. this is a circle jerk? Is comparing a half a season to 3 years reasonable or not? Don’t be difficult just for the sake of it. You know the answer.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Again. Comparing a qb that did well for a half a season with a generational defense to one that has played 3 years with an inconsistent defense is honestly just sorta dumb. Seriously. You gotta be better than that. I get it. You gotta be right. It’s your thing. You grasp at straws to make sure that happens. But come on man. It’s a dumb comparison. “half a season”. Are you saying it was his fault he was benched with a winning record? The obvious answer is staring right at you. The winning record did not matter. He was not th answer just like TT is not the answer.
Thurman#1 Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Right. Becuz the defense was so consisten this year and Taylor played awful during the 5-2 start. you are a different sort of creature man. Impressive. This is the problem with arguing for Tyrod, Stank. You can't really claim he played well, so you have to use sarcasm like "Taylor played awful during the 5-2 start," and hope nobody notices you haven't said much. During the first seven games Tyrod had a 63.8 completion percentage, a 6.8 YPC and a passer rating of 91.43. And threw for 206 yards per game and had a TD:INT ratio of 7:2. If that looks familiar it's because that's pretty much what he did all year with around 20 extra yards per game because he threw it a bit more. And it ain't exactly like the passing defenses we were up against was a Murderer's Row type of group. We played the Jets, Carolina, Denver, Atlanta, Cincy, Tampa Bay and Oakland during those first seven games you mentioned. They managed to rank this way, respectively, in defensive passer rating: 19th, 24th, 20th, 21st, 13th, 27th and 30th The best was 13th. Every other one was 19th or worse. Five out of seven in the twenties or thirties. That was a pretty weak group and Tyrod performed just about as well as he did the rest of the year ... below average but not all that far below. Not throwing INTs, but also not producing much. People got excited about the 5-2 start, but it was much more about our opponents averaging 16.4 PPG (would've ranked us 2nd in the NFL this year) during that stretch than it was about us averaging 21.8 PPG (would've put us 16th). I get that you're willing to move on, but you're still trying to say more for Tyrod than can be reasonably backed up. The guy's going to be a career backup or desperation starter for a year or two around the league before his teams replace him. Edited January 21, 2018 by Thurman#1 2
Stank_Nasty Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: This is the problem with arguing for Tyrod, Stank. You can't really claim he played well, so you have to use sarcasm like "Taylor played awful during the 5-2 start," and hope nobody notices you haven't said much. During the first seven games Tyrod had a 63.8 completion percentage, a 6.8 YPC and a passer rating of 91.43. And threw for 206 yards per game and had a TD:INT ratio of 7:2. If that looks familiar it's because that's pretty much what he did all year with around 20 extra yards per game because he threw it a bit more. And it ain't exactly like the passing defenses we were up against was a Murderer's Row type of group. We played the Jets, Carolina, Denver, Atlanta, Cincy, Tampa Bay and Oakland during those first seven games you mentioned. They managed to rank this way, respectively, in defensive passer rating: 19th, 24th, 20th, 21st, 13th, 27th and 30th The best was 13th. Every other one was 19th or worse. Five out of seven in the twenties or thirties. That was a pretty weak group and Tyrod performed just about as well as he did the rest of the year ... below average but not all that far below. Not throwing INTs, but also not producing much. I get that you're willing to move on, but you're still trying to say more for Tyrod than can be reasonably backed up. The guy's going to be a career backup or desperation starter for a year or two around the league before his teams replace him. I don’t think the team as a whole was very good this year offense or defense. The only thing that kept them afloat was taking the ball away and not giving it away. And I think Tyrod was directly involved in that and that’s basically the only thing I give him a lot of credit for. I just can’t believe the amount of flack around here for a guy than won more than he lost over 3 years and ultimately made the postseason while not having consistent weapons or defense. It’s mind blowing to me..... and now somebody like xrush or that awful teddy character are gonna translate that into me saying I think he’s the franchise for the next 5 years.
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