transplantbillsfan Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Tyrod's issues reading defenses are pre and post snap. He just isn't very good at it. Believe me in the Dennison offense he knew where guys were going to be. That offense is as close as it gets in the NFL to paint by numbers. The receivers' routes are linked to the Quarterback's feet. It is all rhythm and timing if your footwork is right and the ball is out on time the receiver will be in a spot. Now the failure in that scheme wasn't all on Tyrod. Our receivers were bad (I'd have fired the WR coach before anyone) at hitting their spots but the ball wasn't out on time too often anyway. Tyrod's best game was week 3 vs Denver.... he was getting the ball out on time that day in the rhythm of the offense and everything was clicking. The rest of the year he would have known where receivers ought to be but he still wasn't decisive. The E-P will not provide greater certainty on where receivers will be. It allows receivers to make adjustments by reading the coverage themselves. You need a Quarterback and receiver in sync and on the same page so that those quick decisions become 2nd nature. Think Brady and Welker / Edelman. You are entitled to disagree, of course, but I was right about Tyrod's fit with Dennison. If we get chance to see it I suspect I will be right about his fit with Daboll too. All fair. I still respectfully disagree. And I made sure to read up more on the system. It just sounds like a system that is built to be spectacular and historic under a great QB like Brady and pretty good or better under a capable QB. I'm guessing we're going to disagree that Tyrod is a capable QB, so no need to quibble over something we're never going to agree on. But some more stuff I found: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2016/7/15/12188564/summer-school-erhardt-perkins-offense-belichick-weis-parcells-brady-patriots "Fairbanks was a defensive specialist, so he entrusted the offensive side of the ball to Erhardt and Perkins who developed a quarterback-friendly system of passing. Their focus was on a run-first offense and a simplified passing game helped them dedicate their attention where they felt it was needed. The Erhardt-Perkins offense was born." and "The QB only has to remember the shape of the route combinations to understand the play, regardless of personnel in the huddle. Add to this the ability to run the ball out of any of these plays, and the offense can easily run the same play multiple times in a series with minimal worry. The simplicity gives the offense a huge advantage in no-huddle situations, while also maintaining disguises when they want to substitute personnel." and http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/erhardt-perkins-system-part-2/ "Simple to learn, simple to run, easy to call on the fly, hard to defend. It has evolved over the years from coaches Bill Parcells, Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Cowher, Bill Belichick and all his disciples. Consider the fact that Charlie Weis turned Brady Quinn and Jimmy Claussen into 1st and 2nd round picks with this system at Notre Dame." and "In the E-P system, there are no requirements, except for a competent quarterback. Any team in any system will take that. Joe Flacco is certainly a competent QB. You don’t have to worry about missing one guy and the system failing because of it." and "You can’t help but shake your head in awe at times when watching guys like Manning and Brady operate. They make it look so easy. They make it look easy because apparently, it is easier in their systems. Brown made mention in his article that a play-call in the Air Coryell system the Ravens run might sound like, “Scatter-Two Bunch-Right-Zip-Fire 2 Jet Texas Right-F Flat X-Q.” In the EP system, one word the Patriots use is “ghost” which a two man route combination, or “tosser” which is a three man route combination. That’s how these up tempo offense operate so smoothly. Brady is coming to the line shouting just two words, and everyone knows what they’re doing. It’s so much easier for the players to memorize, enabling them to get on the same page faster if unexpectedly called upon" and "The E-P system is a simple one. Take what the defense will give you. You can be a power running team one week, a spread out air raid offense the next, a balanced attack that keeps teams guessing the week after that. You can put up points in a hurry, or slow the pace down to a crawl. It doesn’t need specific personnel. Since specific types of players aren’t required, it opens up more possibilities when drafting players or signing free agents." and then I found this https://247sports.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/Board/102967/Contents/Erhardt-Perkins-Offensive-Philosophy-70429781 "No one asked, but I would vote for Erhardt-Perkins because it's easier to learn, and you get different looks without changing the reads. It's also easier to make changes at the line of scrimmage, which is good if you want an up-tempo style. Mike McCoy, brought it to the Chargers last year, and got a playoff season with Tim Tebow using it in Denver." So it made me look up how McDaniels was using it in Denver with Tebow... the descriptions in these 2 articles use Orton as the intended QB, but Tebow would take over in week 5 and lead the team to a 7-5 record in the rest of his starts and a playoff win http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part- "The EP is particularly known for using a lot of trapping and pulling by the offensive line. A dedication to running the ball was a traditional part of the system" and "The EP has often been linked with the Air Coryell offense to combine the aggression of a powerful running game with the constant threat to the defense of a deep pass. It’s a system that’s based in an aggressive, hostile take-no-prisoners approach to the game" and http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part-2 "McDaniels did in setting up his own preferences with some pretty standard EP principles - motion on the OL and both pulling and trapping, with aggressive run formations and scheme and a power running game that also protects the QB. " and "In terms of passing, the EP commonly uses a Coryell-based vertical passing attack that creates the time for those plays to develop (among other options) by freezing the D momentarily with play-action passing. Orton is particularly good there, and that may give him time to work through his progressions, which he can be slow at sometimes." Plenty more to read about. I don't think Tyrod is in any long term plans because I'm convinced we're going to draft a QB in the 1st. I don't think we're going to make a run at Cousins because of the cost and fact that he's never going to likely be better than a fringe top 10 QB. I don't think we make a run at Smith because he's really just not much better than Tyrod and we'd have to trade for him, though given McDermott's relationship with Reid it's certainly possible. I think this staff wants "their guy" to draft and groom and mold. And the rookie might just be thrust in as the starter right away. Who knows? Regardless of who our QB is, I'm really excited to see Dabol's iteration of this system because it appears to be a system a QB can have pretty immediate success with
BringBackOrton Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: All fair. I still respectfully disagree. And I made sure to read up more on the system. It just sounds like a system that is built to be spectacular and historic under a great QB like Brady and pretty good or better under a capable QB. I'm guessing we're going to disagree that Tyrod is a capable QB, so no need to quibble over something we're never going to agree on. But some more stuff I found: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2016/7/15/12188564/summer-school-erhardt-perkins-offense-belichick-weis-parcells-brady-patriots "Fairbanks was a defensive specialist, so he entrusted the offensive side of the ball to Erhardt and Perkins who developed a quarterback-friendly system of passing. Their focus was on a run-first offense and a simplified passing game helped them dedicate their attention where they felt it was needed. The Erhardt-Perkins offense was born." and "The QB only has to remember the shape of the route combinations to understand the play, regardless of personnel in the huddle. Add to this the ability to run the ball out of any of these plays, and the offense can easily run the same play multiple times in a series with minimal worry. The simplicity gives the offense a huge advantage in no-huddle situations, while also maintaining disguises when they want to substitute personnel." and http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/erhardt-perkins-system-part-2/ "Simple to learn, simple to run, easy to call on the fly, hard to defend. It has evolved over the years from coaches Bill Parcells, Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Cowher, Bill Belichick and all his disciples. Consider the fact that Charlie Weis turned Brady Quinn and Jimmy Claussen into 1st and 2nd round picks with this system at Notre Dame." and "In the E-P system, there are no requirements, except for a competent quarterback. Any team in any system will take that. Joe Flacco is certainly a competent QB. You don’t have to worry about missing one guy and the system failing because of it." and "You can’t help but shake your head in awe at times when watching guys like Manning and Brady operate. They make it look so easy. They make it look easy because apparently, it is easier in their systems. Brown made mention in his article that a play-call in the Air Coryell system the Ravens run might sound like, “Scatter-Two Bunch-Right-Zip-Fire 2 Jet Texas Right-F Flat X-Q.” In the EP system, one word the Patriots use is “ghost” which a two man route combination, or “tosser” which is a three man route combination. That’s how these up tempo offense operate so smoothly. Brady is coming to the line shouting just two words, and everyone knows what they’re doing. It’s so much easier for the players to memorize, enabling them to get on the same page faster if unexpectedly called upon" and "The E-P system is a simple one. Take what the defense will give you. You can be a power running team one week, a spread out air raid offense the next, a balanced attack that keeps teams guessing the week after that. You can put up points in a hurry, or slow the pace down to a crawl. It doesn’t need specific personnel. Since specific types of players aren’t required, it opens up more possibilities when drafting players or signing free agents." and then I found this https://247sports.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/Board/102967/Contents/Erhardt-Perkins-Offensive-Philosophy-70429781 "No one asked, but I would vote for Erhardt-Perkins because it's easier to learn, and you get different looks without changing the reads. It's also easier to make changes at the line of scrimmage, which is good if you want an up-tempo style. Mike McCoy, brought it to the Chargers last year, and got a playoff season with Tim Tebow using it in Denver." So it made me look up how McDaniels was using it in Denver with Tebow... the descriptions in these 2 articles use Orton as the intended QB, but Tebow would take over in week 5 and lead the team to a 7-5 record in the rest of his starts and a playoff win http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part- "The EP is particularly known for using a lot of trapping and pulling by the offensive line. A dedication to running the ball was a traditional part of the system" and "The EP has often been linked with the Air Coryell offense to combine the aggression of a powerful running game with the constant threat to the defense of a deep pass. It’s a system that’s based in an aggressive, hostile take-no-prisoners approach to the game" and http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-the-erhardt-perkins-offense-part-2 "McDaniels did in setting up his own preferences with some pretty standard EP principles - motion on the OL and both pulling and trapping, with aggressive run formations and scheme and a power running game that also protects the QB. " and "In terms of passing, the EP commonly uses a Coryell-based vertical passing attack that creates the time for those plays to develop (among other options) by freezing the D momentarily with play-action passing. Orton is particularly good there, and that may give him time to work through his progressions, which he can be slow at sometimes." Plenty more to read about. I don't think Tyrod is in any long term plans because I'm convinced we're going to draft a QB in the 1st. I don't think we're going to make a run at Cousins because of the cost and fact that he's never going to likely be better than a fringe top 10 QB. I don't think we make a run at Smith because he's really just not much better than Tyrod and we'd have to trade for him, though given McDermott's relationship with Reid it's certainly possible. I think this staff wants "their guy" to draft and groom and mold. And the rookie might just be thrust in as the starter right away. Who knows? Regardless of who our QB is, I'm really excited to see Dabol's iteration of this system because it appears to be a system a QB can have pretty immediate success with One of Tyrod's biggest weaknesses is his inability to execute play action ball fakes under center. It really limits your offense from a misdirection standpoint.
ColoradoBills Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 13 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Still disagree. The biggest knock regarding Taylor has been going through his progressions post snap. This system makes all the post snap stuff much easier for the QB because it sets the QB up with knowledge pre snap of precisely where his guys will be on every play and the system seems largely predicated on knowing where you're going with the ball before the snap. When Taylor has known where he's going with the football before the snap, he's been pretty decisive and accurate. When that 1st read is taken away, as that first article discusses, the WCO and Coryell systems might have different routes in different places on any given play whereas this system seems to set it up so guys are consistently in the same places depending on the passing concept, for which there can be as few or as many as an OC wants to include. That's the way I understand it, at least. Transplant, you are correct with TT's evaluation but you are missing 1 very important QB trait that separates average and below from better than average and great. TT has not proven he can change/modify a play PRESNAP. To me it is one of his weakest traits. The E-P system is run great by Brady because he is a master of the presnap and the system allows him to change 1/2 of the play very easily. He can KILL KILL (1 of the 2 word play) and change that side from what he sees the D doing. I truly believe TT goes to line and keeps a play that is doomed to fail. If he was doing that because Dennison said that is what I want you to do, well I don't buy that. I think TT does not read a D presnap very well and he cannot adjust with any favorable results. This is one of the main reasons I want to move on from TT this coming year and not go thru this for 16 more games.
transplantbillsfan Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: One of Tyrod's biggest weaknesses is his inability to execute play action ball fakes under center. It really limits your offense from a misdirection standpoint. Ummm... what??? Have you actually watched Taylor play? https://www.google.com/amp/billswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/02/bills-film-room-tyrod-taylor-play-action-falcons/amp/ Bills film room: Tyrod Taylor torched Falcons with play action passes
transplantbillsfan Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Transplant, you are correct with TT's evaluation but you are missing 1 very important QB trait that separates average and below from better than average and great. TT has not proven he can change/modify a play PRESNAP. To me it is one of his weakest traits. The E-P system is run great by Brady because he is a master of the presnap and the system allows him to change 1/2 of the play very easily. He can KILL KILL (1 of the 2 word play) and change that side from what he sees the D doing. I truly believe TT goes to line and keeps a play that is doomed to fail. If he was doing that because Dennison said that is what I want you to do, well I don't buy that. I think TT does not read a D presnap very well and he cannot adjust with any favorable results. This is one of the main reasons I want to move on from TT this coming year and not go thru this for 16 more games. Well the problem is we don't know what the heck TT was allowed to change or not change pre-snap. You can refuse to buy the what Dennison did or did not tell Taylor he could or could not do to change a play, but we had quotes mid season that audible abilities were limited for Taylor by Dennison. And before everyone just wildly assumes that all other NFL QBs have free reign at audibles, even 1st ballot HOFers can be limited by a stubborn OC. After the Steelers loss last week there was the obvious question of why not run a QB sneak on 4th and short. Big Ben said "It's been a while since we've run the quarterback sneak, I'm for it, but it's kinda over my head why we don't do it. I'm not going to second guess why we don't run the quarterback sneak. I don't know." I also heard a snippet of him on a radio show this week that it's not even possible for him to do it at the line because the verbiage isn't even there to communicate it to the other 10 guys on offense.
Foxx Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well the problem is we don't know what the heck TT was allowed to change or not change pre-snap. You can refuse to buy the what Dennison did or did not tell Taylor he could or could not do to change a play, but we had quotes mid season that audible abilities were limited for Taylor by Dennison. And before everyone just wildly assumes that all other NFL QBs have free reign at audibles, even 1st ballot HOFers can be limited by a stubborn OC. After the Steelers loss last week there was the obvious question of why not run a QB sneak on 4th and short. Big Ben said "It's been a while since we've run the quarterback sneak, I'm for it, but it's kinda over my head why we don't do it. I'm not going to second guess why we don't run the quarterback sneak. I don't know." I also heard a snippet of him on a radio show this week that it's not even possible for him to do it at the line because the verbiage isn't even there to communicate it to the other 10 guys on offense. in 3 years, Tyrod made how many audibles, exactly? 'nuff said.....
ColoradoBills Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well the problem is we don't know what the heck TT was allowed to change or not change pre-snap. You can refuse to buy the what Dennison did or did not tell Taylor he could or could not do to change a play, but we had quotes mid season that audible abilities were limited for Taylor by Dennison. And before everyone just wildly assumes that all other NFL QBs have free reign at audibles, even 1st ballot HOFers can be limited by a stubborn OC. After the Steelers loss last week there was the obvious question of why not run a QB sneak on 4th and short. Big Ben said "It's been a while since we've run the quarterback sneak, I'm for it, but it's kinda over my head why we don't do it. I'm not going to second guess why we don't run the quarterback sneak. I don't know." I also heard a snippet of him on a radio show this week that it's not even possible for him to do it at the line because the verbiage isn't even there to communicate it to the other 10 guys on offense. ...............and Dennison is gone. Having a QB who will not change out of a play, for whatever reason, is not a QB I wish to have running my team. Maybe if he took the initiative to do that he would have a long term contract with the Bills. I backed TT for 2 1/2 years but the 'experiment" is over for me. He is who he is and for me it's not good enough. I know you want TT here this year no matter what. I do not. As for the Pittsburg Steelers and their QB and OC (who is gone), I don't care what they do.
BringBackOrton Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ummm... what??? Have you actually watched Taylor play? https://www.google.com/amp/billswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/02/bills-film-room-tyrod-taylor-play-action-falcons/amp/ Bills film room: Tyrod Taylor torched Falcons with play action passes Ummm, Tyrod barely had any PA passes under center his first two years, and not that many in his third year, to my eye.
BADOLBILZ Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Tyrod's issues reading defenses are pre and post snap. He just isn't very good at it. Believe me in the Dennison offense he knew where guys were going to be. That offense is as close as it gets in the NFL to paint by numbers. The receivers' routes are linked to the Quarterback's feet. It is all rhythm and timing if your footwork is right and the ball is out on time the receiver will be in a spot. Now the failure in that scheme wasn't all on Tyrod. Our receivers were bad (I'd have fired the WR coach before anyone) at hitting their spots but the ball wasn't out on time too often anyway. Tyrod's best game was week 3 vs Denver.... he was getting the ball out on time that day in the rhythm of the offense and everything was clicking. The rest of the year he would have known where receivers ought to be but he still wasn't decisive. The E-P will not provide greater certainty on where receivers will be. It allows receivers to make adjustments by reading the coverage themselves. You need a Quarterback and receiver in sync and on the same page so that those quick decisions become 2nd nature. Think Brady and Welker / Edelman. You are entitled to disagree, of course, but I was right about Tyrod's fit with Dennison. If we get chance to see it I suspect I will be right about his fit with Daboll too. Man......I remember in past Buffalo installs the west coast offense "took 3 years to master" and now it's "paint by numbers". So much of the Bills offensive struggles were the result of a lack of receiver/QB familiarity. The offense was certainly not a best fit scenario for Taylor........but when they dumped Watkins I knew the passing game was going to be a complete sh*t show. It's telling to me that he kept feeding Zay Jones whenever he was on the field.........despite how reliably bad Jones was........because that was the guy he at least practiced with prior to the season. !@#$ing KB was still lining up in the wrong spot in the Dolphins and Jags games for chrissake.
eball Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Man......I remember in past Buffalo installs the west coast offense "took 3 years to master" and now it's "paint by numbers". So much of the Bills offensive struggles were the result of a lack of receiver/QB familiarity. The offense was certainly not a best fit scenario for Taylor........but when they dumped Watkins I knew the passing game was going to be a complete sh*t show. It's telling to me that he kept feeding Zay Jones whenever he was on the field.........despite how reliably bad Jones was........because that was the guy he at least practiced with prior to the season. !@#$ing KB was still lining up in the wrong spot in the Dolphins and Jags games for chrissake. Who knows...they may surprise us all and keep Tyrod, draft a QB high, and have faith Daboll will fix the run game and bring some semblance of competence to the pass game. Edit: and I think Zay is going to be very good, and we'll see the real KB next season. Edited January 20, 2018 by eball
BringBackOrton Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, eball said: Who knows...they may surprise us all and keep Tyrod, draft a QB high, and have faith Daboll will fix the run game and bring some semblance of competence to the pass game. Edit: and I think Zay is going to be very good, and we'll see the real KB next season. The real KB is a guy who could barely scrape 1000 yards together with Cam Newton throwing him the football. He has a unique skillset, don't get me wrong, but he does have his limitations. I'm not convinced he'll be anything more than the #20ish or lower WR in the NFL.
transplantbillsfan Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: Ummm, Tyrod barely had any PA passes under center his first two years, and not that many in his third year, to my eye. You want to argue he didn't do it much now? Dude, you just said "inability to execute" in the post I responded to. Are you now changing your argument because you were dead wrong? That assertion that I initially made is wrong because Tyrod has been most effective out of play action from under center over his 3 years as a Bill. There are stats out there that support that. I know last offseason that Cover1.net had those numbers pretty comprehensively fleshed out. It's just really weird if you actually believed that. 2 hours ago, Foxx said: in 3 years, Tyrod made how many audibles, exactly? 'nuff said..... Don't know, do you? This is a pointless argument, anyway. If Tyrod is gone I really don't care as long as we upgrade. If Tyrod is still under center in 2018 I think some of you guys are going to jump off a cliff.
Foxx Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: ... Don't know, do you? This is a pointless argument, anyway. If Tyrod is gone I really don't care as long as we upgrade. If Tyrod is still under center in 2018 I think some of you guys are going to jump off a cliff. i can't recall a single instance, can you? the thing I want to know is, if he is gone, are you going to take the Tyrod poster off the ceiling over your bed? Edited January 20, 2018 by Foxx
transplantbillsfan Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: ...............and Dennison is gone. Having a QB who will not change out of a play, for whatever reason, is not a QB I wish to have running my team. Maybe if he took the initiative to do that he would have a long term contract with the Bills. I backed TT for 2 1/2 years but the 'experiment" is over for me. He is who he is and for me it's not good enough. I know you want TT here this year no matter what. I do not. As for the Pittsburg Steelers and their QB and OC (who is gone), I don't care what they do. Well you're just going to have a conversation with yourself, apparently, because it doesn't seem like you're even reading what I say. Enjoy your offseason. For your health's sake I hope Tyrod isn't back next year, even though I think this hire makes it more rather than less likely. 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: i can't recall a single instance, can you? the thing I want to know is, if he is gone, are you going to take the Tyrod poster off the ceiling over your bed? Never put it up. Wife wouldn't let me
KW95 - JA17 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 3:47 PM, billspro said: Looks like a modern passing attack to me. We have been waiting for a good passing game for so long. Tyrod is chomping at the bit!
JaCrispy Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well you're just going to have a conversation with yourself, apparently, because it doesn't seem like you're even reading what I say. Enjoy your offseason. For your health's sake I hope Tyrod isn't back next year, even though I think this hire makes it more rather than less likely. While I disagree with you on Tyrod, there is something admirable about your unwavering support 1
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, KW95 said: Tyrod is chomping at the bit! *champing at the bit. Horses champ, they don't chomp at the bit. (ducks and runs)
KW95 - JA17 Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: *champing at the bit. Horses champ, they don't chomp at the bit. (ducks and runs) Thanks for the correction...but... BOOM: The idiom is usually written chomping at the bit, and some people consider this spelling wrong. But chomp can also mean to bite or chew noisily (though chomped things are often eaten, while champed things are not), so chomp at the bit means roughly the same as champ at the bit. In fact, chomp, which began as a variant of champ, is alive in English while the biting-related sense of champ is dead outside this idiom, so it’s no wonder that chomping at the bit is about 20 times as common as champing at the bit on the web. Champing at the bit can sound funny to people who aren’t familiar with the idiom or the obsolete sense of champ, while most English speakers can infer the meaning of chomping at the bit.
Foxx Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well you're just going to have a conversation with yourself, apparently, because it doesn't seem like you're even reading what I say. Enjoy your offseason. For your health's sake I hope Tyrod isn't back next year, even though I think this hire makes it more rather than less likely. Never put it up. Wife wouldn't let me just curious here... what has Tyrod ever done to make you believe he would excell in an offense that most likely will require the QB to read the defense pre-snap? i remember this time last year when most of BBmB was saying how Tyrod was going to excell in the WCO, while i was close to the lone dissenting voice saying there was no way in hell Tyrod would excell in a timing offense. smh Edited January 20, 2018 by Foxx 1
BringBackOrton Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: You want to argue he didn't do it much now? Dude, you just said "inability to execute" in the post I responded to. Are you now changing your argument because you were dead wrong? That assertion that I initially made is wrong because Tyrod has been most effective out of play action from under center over his 3 years as a Bill. There are stats out there that support that. I know last offseason that Cover1.net had those numbers pretty comprehensively fleshed out. It's just really weird if you actually believed that. Don't know, do you? This is a pointless argument, anyway. If Tyrod is gone I really don't care as long as we upgrade. If Tyrod is still under center in 2018 I think some of you guys are going to jump off a cliff. Feel free to waste your time arguing semantics. I was commenting on his body of work, not a handful of plays.
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