xRUSHx Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I had that argument with Rush every time and its not worth continuing. Even though Lynn got promoted to a HC, in his mind he thinks Lynn got fired because the Bills didn't hire him as the head coach. It literally makes no sense What makes no sence is regardless of how you few try to sugar coat it Tyrod has had a new OC EVERY SEASON.
Lurker Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If no one in the NFL got additional shots after bombing their previous shot, the world would have been spared years of Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll (to say nothing of Marv Levy). I think there's a reason we haven't seen Daboll as an OC for 5 years and it's not because he failed in his previous gigs. He realized he needed to learn more These are my thoughts as well. I put a lot more importance on his time with the Pats over the past few years than I do his previous OC experience. By all accounts, he was heavily involved in developing the New England game plans and undoubtedly learned a lot by osmosis in the Belichick Way. Add all the post-season experience and five rings--that's like getting a PhD at Harvard compared to his earlier OC stints. I'm not sure why so few posters can't get past the lousy talent he had to work with at CLE, MIA and even his year at KC (Charles, aside) and focus on the success he had at NE and Alabama which is way more current/relevant. The things I keep reading about him are organization.and preparation. Sounds just like McD and they should work very well together... 3
SouthNYfan Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 I cannot say whether I love this hire or not. His track record is up and down though. His playcalling @bama is tough to go on. Was he calling the shots, being conservative, then saban pulled the plug and took over in the second half of that game? Or was he handcuffed by saban all year long, and second half saban just threw him the reigns? Using his failures in the NFL are tough to gauge also. His OC gigs were : 2012 KC where he had matt Cassell and Brady Quinn (though he had Jamal Charles hit 1500 rushing) 2011 Miami with with Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and J.P. Losman. Yep. 2009-2010 with the browns he had Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson 09 and COLT MCCOY/SENECA WALLACE in 10. Yeah. Also worth noting that bill belichick failed in Cleveland as well, so those two seasons are not a good barometer. Like I said, the only things I do know is this: -tyrod should be gone, he's had his shot -daboll has never had even an above average QB to work with (thus why we should replace tyrod) -he's a change from Dennison, which in my eyes, is a good thing -the Browns can make anybody look bad
Buddy Hix Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 My initial feeling is we just hired a run heavy, conservative coach, not impressed. But the guy was born in my area so I am willing to give him a shot. 1
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: These are my thoughts as well. I put a lot more importance on his time with the Pats over the past few years than I do his previous OC experience. By all accounts, he was heavily involved in developing the New England game plans and undoubtedly learned a lot by osmosis in the Belichick Way. Add all the post-season experience and five rings--that's like getting a PhD at Harvard compared to his earlier OC stints. I'm not sure why so few posters can't get past the lousy talent he had to work with at CLE, MIA and even his year at KC (Charles, aside) and focus on the success he had at NE and Alabama which is way more current/relevant. The things I keep reading about him are organization.and preparation. Sounds just like McD and they should work very well together... Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 before he got Troy Aikman in 1989. Bill Walsh was 6-10 his first year. I think someone above said he wants to see Lemonade made from lemons. You at least need the lemons to get started don't you? 1
The_Dude Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, horned dogs said: You need to get a little "skin in the game" , say who you would have hired if it isn't Daboll. Otherwise, hard to take seriously. Um, I’m sorry you don’t like my point but I don’t have to submit a name just to appease you. I can say I’m not fond of the hire just yet without having to state ‘this guy would have been better.’ it’s also possible that the Bills couldn’t get other guys to town. I mean think about it — if you’re a sought after coach why go to the Bills? We got Tyrod Taylor and as of now picks 21 and 22. There’s no guarantee to an OC that we’ll have a QB he can work with or an elite prospect. 8 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Isn't the "pound the rock" philosophy a product of the place we play though? I might be wrong, but doesn't conventional thinking state that colder climate stadiums without a roof and swirling winds are tougher places for passing teams? Kelly never had an issue throwing here. 1 1
BillsFan130 Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Let this sink in a new OC for Tyrod every season, EVERY SEASON Romans play book was actually perfect for TT. He he had some success in 2015. In 2016 after the first 2 games, it was on Romans play calling, not his playbook that got him fired. Lynn used the same play book with TT except he simplified it without the exotic plays. So ya Lynn was technically a new coordinator in 2016 but it was the exact same playbook, as that was never the issue. Roman outsmarting himself was the issue. So in his first 2 years TT has had the exact same playbook. And his 3rd year he had a different one because his OC was promoted to a HC. So i really don’t understand your reasoning. Saying “TT has a different OC every year” to make TT look bad is skewed in many ways . 1. The playbook the first two years were exactly the same, as Roman outsmarting himself was the issue. 2. The reason there was a new one this year is because Lynn got promoted to be a head coach for the Chargers Edited January 15, 2018 by billsfan11 1
Heitz Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 1-15: Chris Price of the Boston Sports Journal with Howard and Jeremy on Brian Daboll (6:38) Great listen, it's clear the guy is highly respected and smart. Interesting that he was the TE coach that developed Gronk - I hate that guy, can we please get one? We'll see what Daboll brings to the table, but he certainly has a good pedigree... 1
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: I think you have to take into account what playing with a lead does to your play calling. Only Madden jockeys like to go balls out for 60 minutes. Yes, but before you can play with a lead, you need to take the lead. Bama usually did so by marching down the field with a series of runs, or the run, run, pass formula. Bama’s playcalling was very predictable, and a lot of people in Bama are happy to see him go. With that said, I separate his Bama accomplishments from his future in the pros. Success at Bama is certainly not a guarantee of success in the pros. Bama football is a different animal than pro football. No NFL team will ever be as superior in talent to the others as Bama is to their opponents. My greater concern is Daboll’s history in the pros. To be fair, as an OC he never had a legitimate QB on his offense. That doesn’t discount the fact that he was an ultra conservative playcaller at his NFL stops. I wish Daboll all the best, and I hope that I am proven wrong. I’m just not convinced he is a progressive minded offensive coach. Hopefully he’s not a guy being brought in he because he fits the McD philosophy of playing not to lose. Kudos to this staff for delivering us from the playoff drought. Lets hope they learn the benefits of aggressive play. Maybe Daboll will prove to be more than I expected. Only time will tell.
Fixxxer Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 On the surface is difficult to write something overly optimistic about Brian Daboll. I like that he's young and as some people said, innovative, we just have to be hopeful he has learned a lot since his first stint as the OC in Cleveland (back in 2009) I'll trust the process, in fact, I'll bask in it until there's something more concrete to analize regarding Brian Daboll.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: Um, I’m sorry you don’t like my point but I don’t have to submit a name just to appease you. I can say I’m not fond of the hire just yet without having to state ‘this guy would have been better.’ it’s also possible that the Bills couldn’t get other guys to town. I mean think about it — if you’re a sought after coach why go to the Bills? We got Tyrod Taylor and as of now picks 21 and 22. There’s no guarantee to an OC that we’ll have a QB he can work with or an elite prospect. That just makes my point. You criticize the hire, yet you have no fall back plan. Maybe your looking for something that doesn't exist.
xRUSHx Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Um, I’m sorry you don’t like my point but I don’t have to submit a name just to appease you. I can say I’m not fond of the hire just yet without having to state ‘this guy would have been better.’ it’s also possible that the Bills couldn’t get other guys to town. I mean think about it — if you’re a sought after coach why go to the Bills? We got Tyrod Taylor and as of now picks 21 and 22. There’s no guarantee to an OC that we’ll have a QB he can work with or an elite prospect. Add in this team has had had a new OC 4 straight seasons with this starting QB and I dont see any good OC wanting this job. Edited January 15, 2018 by xRUSHx 1
BillsFan130 Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: What makes no sence is regardless of how you few try to sugar coat it Tyrod has had a new OC EVERY SEASON. Read my post above
The_Dude Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, horned dogs said: That just makes my point. You criticize the hire, yet you have no fall back plan. Maybe your looking for something that doesn't exist. Im commenting on the hire in a thread dedicated to commenting on the hire. ?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: Add in this team has had had a new OC 4 straight seasons and I dont see any good OC wanting this job. They've had 3 Head Coaches in those same 4 seasons. Are you thinking that the OC's should've stayed when the rest of the staff was fired?
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Um, I’m sorry you don’t like my point but I don’t have to submit a name just to appease you. I can say I’m not fond of the hire just yet without having to state ‘this guy would have been better.’ it’s also possible that the Bills couldn’t get other guys to town. I mean think about it — if you’re a sought after coach why go to the Bills? We got Tyrod Taylor and as of now picks 21 and 22. There’s no guarantee to an OC that we’ll have a QB he can work with or an elite prospect. Kelly never had an issue throwing here. Very Groucho Marx "I refuse join any club that would have me as a member." Hence - if he came here he must be bad.
Teddy KGB Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: 336. Is that how many women didn’t sleep with you ? Im sorry fridge used data to form an opinion that makes you cry. Edited January 15, 2018 by Teddy KGB
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Yes, but before you can play with a lead, you need to take the lead. Bama usually did so by marching down the field with a series of runs, or the run, run, pass formula. Bama’s playcalling was very predictable, and a lot of people in Bama are happy to see him go. With that said, I separate his Bama accomplishments from his future in the pros. Success at Bama is certainly not a guarantee of success in the pros. Bama football is a different animal than pro football. No NFL team will ever be as superior in talent to the others as Bama is to their opponents. My greater concern is Daboll’s history in the pros. To be fair, as an OC he never had a legitimate QB on his offense. That doesn’t discount the fact that he was an ultra conservative playcaller at his NFL stops. I wish Daboll all the best, and I hope that I am proven wrong. I’m just not convinced he is a progressive minded offensive coach. Hopefully he’s not a guy being brought in he because he fits the McD philosophy of playing not to lose. Kudos to this staff for delivering us from the playoff drought. Lets hope they learn the benefits of aggressive play. Maybe Daboll will prove to be more than I expected. Only time will tell. I know if my QB sucks I'm going to take the ball from his hands as much as possible... 1
xRUSHx Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Read my post above Why it is the same old gibberish of making excuses as to why Tyrod has had a new OC every season he has been a starter.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fixxxer said: On the surface is difficult to write something overly optimistic about Brian Daboll. I like that he's young and as some people said, innovative, we just have to be hopeful he has learned a lot since his first stint as the OC in Cleveland (back in 2009) I'll trust the process, in fact, I'll bask in it until there's something more concrete to analize regarding Brian Daboll. Yeah - been like a long time since he was a coordinator in the NFL and he spent a lot of time with McDaniels before going to bama. Clearly with Hurts you're going to run a lot.
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