Green Lightning Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 Not happy about this. The guy is a stellar run-stopper and can develop his pass rush. He's had health problems but why give them away when he's ascending? I don't get this. Don't give the guy away!
3rdand12 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I would think after selling low on Rag's and seeing go on to be a solid contributing player for KC despite not having the benefit of having time in the system and having to learn his 3rd defensive scheme in 3 years, that it would give them more patience with Shaq. Personally, I get he hasn't cemented his spot here, but I also think he has shown promise and is already on the team, so why sell low now due to injuries and create yet another hole to fill. Lets keep in mind, lots of people here want us to trade a bounty of picks for a QB, but we created some sizable holes through trades that we haven't filled to go along with holes that already existed. If we keep trading players for crap shoot draft picks, its going to be tough to improve because we are just drafting to replace rather fill the rest of the roster out. We already know we have a big need at DT, and if Kyle retires or isn't brought back, we have immediate 2 spots to fill. Add in big needs at LB, OL, and the looming QB situation and we just cant fill all these effectively in the draft and FA. Not to mention potential holes at DB with Gaines FA looming, needing another RB and WR. I vote no to this and play the upside here and avoid creating yet another hole. I would never trade a serviceable rookie unless someone was knocking hard. i would not be shopping Lawson. 1
4merper4mer Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, NickelCity said: Not terribly surprising, but by god we've got to draft better. Rex
vincec Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 It makes so little sense. His trade value is virtually zero. 1
3rdand12 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, White Linen said: Yeah because only the truly gifted fan knows a DE is supposed to rush the passer on every play. he has always been slow off the ball. has two moves. but he is consistent and ball aware. He does have value to us
BADOLBILZ Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, White Linen said: Yeah because only the truly gifted fan knows a DE is supposed to rush the passer on every play. No.......there just isn't actually a style of run defense where the objective is to allow the OL to get off the ball quicker on every down. If Shaq can figure out how to get an average get-off he has the potential to be an effective pass rusher............he's sucked at it to this point. The other weakness in his pass rush game coming out of Clemson was not using his arms to engage/control and maintain separation from OT's. He tends to try to lean into OT's with his shoulder which makes him far easier to block/re-direct. Edited January 14, 2018 by BADOLBILZ
Big C Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: The whole DL may be different next year. If they do the same thing to the DL that they did to the secondary, bring it on!!
Beast Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 Might as well try to get something for a bust that has contributed absolutely nothing. Lawson is the forgotten man for a reason. In fact, when I hear the name Lawson, I think of Manny and wonder why they are mentioning him since he no longer plays for our team.
JimKellyTryouts Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 Jeremy Maclin was going to come to us, too, according to BF. Ignore this garbage speculation.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Might as well try to get something for a bust that has contributed absolutely nothing. Lawson is the forgotten man for a reason. In fact, when I hear the name Lawson, I think of Manny and wonder why they are mentioning him since he no longer plays for our team. He's not a bust as the starting DE on the team.
wiskibreth Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 I think it's too soon, and his trade value is likely too low to be worth it. I just don;t think the kid's had enough time. He's got the tools, COACH him up.
OldTimer1960 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I wouldn’t sell low on him. I don’t know that he will ever be a top end guy but I think that he can be an 8 sack guy that’s good against the run. There’s no reason to open another hole. I agree. I would not trade him for less than an early 3rd and maybe not then. Dumping good solid players for low draft picks doesn’t help. The Eagles’ Brandon Graham is a valuable player, but his sack totals early in his career were: 3, 0, 5, 3, 5.5... instead of dumping Graham for a mid round pick, they have a good solid starter on a very good defense. Edited January 14, 2018 by OldTimer1960 1
ganesh Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe recoup the 3rd we gave up for KB It will be a fifth with an option to be 4th based on playing time
CommonCents Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 He is a zero. Find a guy that can rush the passer. Thanks Doug!
OldTimer1960 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ganesh said: It will be a fifth with an option to be 4th based on playing time Doing deals like that is a reason the Bills have had almost no success. Too much coaching turnover and all the new coaches ditch the previous regimes’ draft picks. There are a number of former Bills playing roles for playoff teams. Watkins, Woods, Bradham, Darby and more. i know that you can’t keep everyone, but dumping guys almost indiscriminately because the previous regime drafted them is bad business. To be clear - I understood the Watkins trade - got a 2nd for a guy who surely would have left in FA. But the Darby deal will look bad if they don’t re-sign Jordan Mathews. If all they end up with is a late 3rd round pick for a good CB, then it was a poor deal. Edited January 14, 2018 by OldTimer1960 1
Bill_with_it Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: As he should be. He isnt worth what we gave up to get him, he was still wearing a brace on that shoulder this year. Another Whaley blunder.
SoCal Deek Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 Shaq Lawson? Nope doesn't ring a bell. Never heard of him!
QCity Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, vincec said: Ragland is a second year starter for a different playoff team. He doesn't even play 50% of the snaps. He's a 2-down LB on a rotation. It was a great move shipping him out. You don't get faster after blowing out your knee. 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This team needs to stop creating holes and then replacing them. Moving Lawson isn't creating a hole, he is the hole. If anyone wants to know why our pass rush is so anemic, the first place they should look is the DE position. If Shaq was a 5th round pick there would be daily threads on how the front office failed to address the DE position, and how we now have to use a 1st on a pass rusher. But because he's a 1st round pick we have to cling to him? I don't know what you see when you watch him play, but I don't see a quick first step, I don't see much explosiveness, and I sure as hell don't see his side of the pocket collapsing on passing downs. It's not like he's drawing double teams, either.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, QCity said: He doesn't even play 50% of the snaps. He's a 2-down LB on a rotation. It was a great move shipping him out. You don't get faster after blowing out your knee. Moving Lawson isn't creating a hole, he is the hole. If anyone wants to know why our pass rush is so anemic, the first place they should look is the DE position. If Shaq was a 5th round pick there would be daily threads on how the front office failed to address the DE position, and how we now have to use a 1st on a pass rusher. But because he's a 1st round pick we have to cling to him? I don't know what you see when you watch him play, but I don't see a quick first step, I don't see much explosiveness, and I sure as hell don't see his side of the pocket collapsing on passing downs. It's not like he's drawing double teams, either. People act as if opposing offenses only throw the ball and defensive linemen have no responsibilities in the run game.
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