PolishDave Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I bolded my opinions of Lamar Jackson, I've watched him frequently the past 2 years. Let me shorten it for ya... If his highlight reels.....the ones posted on Youtube by his Superfans ..... are supposed to be his best of his best... Well then, his best isn't good enough. He is college good. Not NFL good. Plays he made are plays that college ATHLETES make. They are not plays that NFL quarterbacks make.... At least not in this era. Dude is college all star all the way... He is a less talented version of that Texas QB that played for a bunch of teams for a while before busting out of NFL... Vince Young. That's him. But Lamar Jackson is nowhere near as good as even Vince Young was. Not close. Well, that is just my opinion. Dude ain't never gonna be a winner in the NFL. He is less talented than Tyrod was in college. No thanks. I'm calling him a bust before he is even drafted. I would bet money on it. As a season ticket holder, if the Bills draft him and start him I puke. I would still support him. But I would have to get a lot drunker before the games. And my Polish liver is already screaming, screaming for vengeance. Edited January 14, 2018 by PolishDave
BillsFan4 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 Brandon Beane was on WGR earlier this week, after his year end presser. He said that whoever they get at QB will have nothing to do with him fitting any specific OC's system. Beane said if you acquire a specific QB because he fits the OC's system then what do you do if/when that OC leaves? He said they will try to get a guy that has all the tools/traits/intangibles (etc) they're looking for and feel makes a successful franchise QB. Then they will expect their offensive coordinator to design a system that best fits that QB. So, I don't think that they will draft Jackson or Mayfield just because they hired Darrell Bevell. If they draft either of those QBs, I think it'll be because they think that he'll be a franchise guy. don't think they will necessarily keep Tyrod for Bevell either. The only way I see them keeping Tyrod is if they are not able to find anyone they feel would be an upgrade over him. Or if they feel he is the best they can do for a veteran bridge QB for next year. After listening to Beane, I'd be surprised if he was here next year, though (again unless they can't find an upgrade or better veteran bridge). Beane gave me the impression that they would be going hard after a QB.
BillsFan4 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 15 hours ago, xRUSHx said: I just do not see them going for Smith. I agree they could end up not drafting a QB early in the draft because they have done the same fail for a long time so to think they will accualy pull the trigger on one would be a big step in the right direction for OBD and sadly I just do not have confidence they will do it. See it then I will believe it until then same old Bills IMO. I have no idea what the exact plan is at QB or who they will go after, but after listening to Brandon Beane on WGR I am pretty damn confident that they will be addressing the QB position meaningfully, one way or another. He says this is a QB league and until you have that guy you can build around you are constantly searching. He said finding a frahcise QB is a GM's number 1 job and the Bills are "still in the process of trying to accomplish that". (aka, it's not Tyrod) He went on to say that he has already seen "every QB that matters" in this draft - every QB that could potentially go in the first round. Then went in depth into how deep they dig into these QBs and all the things they look at. I was impressed listening to him. He he gave me a whole lot of hope man. It really sounds like QB is at the top of their list to me. Here, when you get a chance listen to these Beane interviews. I think it may make you feel a little better. I know it did for me - (Id suggest listening to the top link first. It's a lot talk about QBs). http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/01-10-bills-general-manager-brandon-beane-howard-and-jeremy http://www.buffalobills.com/video/audio/Brandon-Beane-We-think-this-helps-the-Buffalo-Bills-/86e9f397-8c2c-4c95-85d1-a8359ad5150b 1 1
GoBills808 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 17 hours ago, dave mcbride said: I hesitate to say this, but by the numbers for Smith over the past seven seasons are really good -- elite, in fact. Since 2011, his teams have gone 69-31-1 with him at the helm. He is not the reason they lost to TN either. He played well in that game and was REALLY let down by the backup TE and the kicker, who pretty much cost them the game on offense. He led the league in passer rating this year and the Chiefs ended up 6th in yards and 5th in points. Honestly, I'd take him, and I'd be happy to get him. I think Smith would be a mistake. For starters I don't think that record is attributable to him...now I say the same for every QB because I don't believe QB wins is a real statistic, but its doubly true for Smith. You referenced his numbers since 2011 and called them 'elite'...here's what I see when I look at Alex Smith: In 2011 he plays QB for the Niners who have the 4th ranked defense in the league and the 8th ranked rushing game. Their pass game? 29th. They go 13-3 and Smith's ANY/A is good for 15th. That's not elite to me, that's Tyrod Taylor territory. In 2012, same story. The Niners, with the 3rd ranked defense in the league and the 4th ranked rush game, go 11-4-1. Smith leads the 23rd ranked pass attack with an ANY/A rank of 10th. Again, low volume efficiency...definitely not seeing 'elite' but an improvement. 2013 he goes to the Chiefs and puts up the 24th ranked pass game, to complement their 24th ranked defense and 10th ranked offense while somehow the team goes 11-5. Smith's ANY/A was 17th so it's hard to make the case it was due to him...I credit Reid's first year as HC myself. Not elite in the slightest IMO. Onto 2014, where the Chiefs go 9-7 behind the 7th ranked defense and the 10th ranked rushing offense. Smith's passing offense? 29th, again. His ANY/A? 17th, again. Seeing the trend? 2015...Chiefs looking solid at 11-5, and it would be hard not to with the 7th ranked defense and 6th ranked rushing attack. However...30th in passing? Smith's ANY/A a respectable 12th, so the efficiency is certainly there, but again: he's not carrying these teams. He's not responsible for their record. He's definitely not what I'd call 'elite'. 2016 is where things start to get interesting IMO. The Chiefs go 12-4 with the 24th ranked defense, the 19th ranked passing attack, and the 15th ranked rushing offense. That looks pretty outlandish on the face of it...could a sneaky-efficient Smith have been the reason? His 15th ranked ANY/A suggests not...then you realize they lead the entire league in turnovers AND turnover differential (coincidentally sharing best T/O diff w/ the Raiders, who also went 12-4 and not-so-surprisingly fell off the next season due to the nature of an oblong inflated pigskin) and their record makes sense. Good team? Sure, although not as good as their record suggested. Elite quarterbacking from Smith. Far from it IMO. Finally 2017: where they (and Smith, make no mistake) start out RED HOT and taper off a bit as season goes on to finish at 10-6 but still...their defense was 28th-in-the-league bad. Smith's passing offense, for the first time in this timeframe, outproduces the run game to finish at 7th and 9th respectively. He finishes good for 3rd in the leage in ANY/A: absolutely an elite season. No question. ...but out of that timeframe I can only really point to one season (this last one) where he definitively was elite and deserving of the lion's share of credit for his team's success. 1/7. To me, that's an outlier, and I think the stats bear that out. He's played on many good/borderline great TEAMS, but he's never been a great QB before this year and I doubt he will produce another season anywhere near as productive going forward. I've said this in the past, but he's Tyrod Taylor polished. Only thrown for 25 TDs once (this year). Usually in the top 5 for QB rushing yards. Doesn't throw a lot of picks and has a high passer rating...sound familiar? If as a Bills fan you're done with Taylor ball, as I am, you really really do not want Alex Smith. 1
Spiderweb Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 22 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yes but no jackson, tired of athletes instead of QBs. We already have a Jackson. Agreed we need to move away from them at QB. 1
JMF2006 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Posted January 14, 2018 15 hours ago, John from Hemet said: I dont think bringing in Bevell points to TT staying.....I think it could lead to Mayfield being drafted. I would really like to see a qb under center that throws WR's open. Denver drafts 5th overall,there is no way Mayfield makes it past them. 14 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Will fans quit tying Tyrod to Bevell because of Russell Wilson. It’s annoying. Like Bevell can only run an offense if the QB can run. There are a lot of athletic QBs in the league... Favre was a scrambler when he was younger. 13 hours ago, harv shitz said: I don't care what they do, who they hire, I want nothing to do with Taylor returning to this team! The single strength he may have is the ability to run, which he rarely does anymore. And some of you think he would be a good mentor for a young quarterback? You can't be serious? You want him teaching all of his bad habits (hold ball too long, don't go through progressions, don't throw down middle, check down 99% of the time, refuse to throw a guy open) to a new guy? He has no business coming back to this team. His stats speak for themselves, and I know, I know, he doesn't turn it over. BFD. He doesn't do anything else with it, either. If your referring to me as wanting to keep TT as a mentor you have it all wrong and need to reread what I said. I could be all wrong on this but I think this could happen if DB is OC.
JMF2006 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Posted January 14, 2018 7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: How is a non pocket passer going to mentor a rookie in pocket presence? I could be all wrong on this Shady just making an observation. I don`t really want DB as OC his record and stats as OC are very poor. 1
BigBuff423 Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 12 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: and O line is our main issue. per Me. There are some interesting stats out there about the Bills Offensive line and most of it probably isn’t what you’d expect. PFF graded out the Bills line about average but another analysis group, and I’m sorry I can’t recall who it was as I saw it on Twitter, took out the Tyrod effect - holding the ball too long, moving out of a clean pocket, etc. - and the “grade” on the line improved significantly, statistically speaking. Food for thought...I would still like a different Offensive Line Coach but thought it was interesting to hear objective entities have a more positive perspective on it than we do, as fans.
dave mcbride Posted January 14, 2018 Posted January 14, 2018 17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The two big issues with Smith were not being able to throw the deep ball............and just being the opposite of clutch. He proved he can throw the deep ball this year...........but he also proved that his lack of ability to perform in the clutch is a real thing. I can't agree that he wasn't at fault for losing that game to TN.........he wasn't the only reason but at that point where you are feeling pressure as a fan he seems to mirror that........he can put up 200 yards in the first half and then come out and just miss an easy throw or become blind to receivers running open...........he clearly has some kind of mental block under pressure that does not exist the rest of the time. People who think the size of the moment affects all QB's the way it does Smith are just wrong. Maybe he and Andy Reid just self-fulfill their own worst fears in the playoffs........I don't know but it's a real thing. But the Bills aren't going to be able to be too choosy wrt a veteran QB..........and you are right that other than that flaw he is most of everything you want in a QB.........and the only reason he would even be available is because of that history of choking in the playoffs............and perhaps he can re-start that clutch narrative with a change of scenery? All good points but: SF vs NO in the playoffs in the 2011 season. 9 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I think Smith would be a mistake. For starters I don't think that record is attributable to him...now I say the same for every QB because I don't believe QB wins is a real statistic, but its doubly true for Smith. You referenced his numbers since 2011 and called them 'elite'...here's what I see when I look at Alex Smith: In 2011 he plays QB for the Niners who have the 4th ranked defense in the league and the 8th ranked rushing game. Their pass game? 29th. They go 13-3 and Smith's ANY/A is good for 15th. That's not elite to me, that's Tyrod Taylor territory. In 2012, same story. The Niners, with the 3rd ranked defense in the league and the 4th ranked rush game, go 11-4-1. Smith leads the 23rd ranked pass attack with an ANY/A rank of 10th. Again, low volume efficiency...definitely not seeing 'elite' but an improvement. 2013 he goes to the Chiefs and puts up the 24th ranked pass game, to complement their 24th ranked defense and 10th ranked offense while somehow the team goes 11-5. Smith's ANY/A was 17th so it's hard to make the case it was due to him...I credit Reid's first year as HC myself. Not elite in the slightest IMO. Onto 2014, where the Chiefs go 9-7 behind the 7th ranked defense and the 10th ranked rushing offense. Smith's passing offense? 29th, again. His ANY/A? 17th, again. Seeing the trend? 2015...Chiefs looking solid at 11-5, and it would be hard not to with the 7th ranked defense and 6th ranked rushing attack. However...30th in passing? Smith's ANY/A a respectable 12th, so the efficiency is certainly there, but again: he's not carrying these teams. He's not responsible for their record. He's definitely not what I'd call 'elite'. 2016 is where things start to get interesting IMO. The Chiefs go 12-4 with the 24th ranked defense, the 19th ranked passing attack, and the 15th ranked rushing offense. That looks pretty outlandish on the face of it...could a sneaky-efficient Smith have been the reason? His 15th ranked ANY/A suggests not...then you realize they lead the entire league in turnovers AND turnover differential (coincidentally sharing best T/O diff w/ the Raiders, who also went 12-4 and not-so-surprisingly fell off the next season due to the nature of an oblong inflated pigskin) and their record makes sense. Good team? Sure, although not as good as their record suggested. Elite quarterbacking from Smith. Far from it IMO. Finally 2017: where they (and Smith, make no mistake) start out RED HOT and taper off a bit as season goes on to finish at 10-6 but still...their defense was 28th-in-the-league bad. Smith's passing offense, for the first time in this timeframe, outproduces the run game to finish at 7th and 9th respectively. He finishes good for 3rd in the leage in ANY/A: absolutely an elite season. No question. ...but out of that timeframe I can only really point to one season (this last one) where he definitively was elite and deserving of the lion's share of credit for his team's success. 1/7. To me, that's an outlier, and I think the stats bear that out. He's played on many good/borderline great TEAMS, but he's never been a great QB before this year and I doubt he will produce another season anywhere near as productive going forward. I've said this in the past, but he's Tyrod Taylor polished. Only thrown for 25 TDs once (this year). Usually in the top 5 for QB rushing yards. Doesn't throw a lot of picks and has a high passer rating...sound familiar? If as a Bills fan you're done with Taylor ball, as I am, you really really do not want Alex Smith. Excellent stuff, thanks. My one rejoinder is that I think we're seeing an era of elite qb play happening or guys in their mid-30s. He really has gotten better over his whole career.
Green Lightning Posted January 15, 2018 Posted January 15, 2018 22 hours ago, Agent 91 said: Oh sorry my friend. Much respect NP. If someone had written that about TT I would have written what you did in a heartbeat! 22 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: How is a non pocket passer going to mentor a rookie in pocket presence? ? He'd do it on the run!
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