Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, PolishDave said: I don't see that at all from Bevell. But that is just my opinion. I could be totally wrong. I have a feeling that the NFL has seen the best play we are ever going to see out of Tyrod and it was in 2015 and 2016. I think he is capable of much better play, but only if the coaches specifically design the offense around him. I thought Dennison was the NFL's best chance to do that - and he didn't do it. So, I say the Bills are better off moving on and going with a more traditional style of quarterback. And I think that is exactly what they will do. My guess is they get a QB whose strength is his arm talent and his brain - while also having a very strong work ethic. Tyrod is only really strong in one of those traits (the work ethic). IMHO they should and will move on. Why would you think Dennison was “the NFL’s best chance” to design an offense around Tyrod? Dennison is literally one of the least imaginative, most inflexible, tone deaf OC’s the NFL has ever seen.
xRUSHx Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: Hey I'm with you coach. I want Smith but only under the proviso that they draft a young quarterback this year! Smith is here to groom him for the future and to give a solid quarterbacking in the interim. Wouldn't it be great to actually have the ball leave the quarterback's hand before the break? I live to see the day! Fans have wanted this for decades but yet OBD makes us think this is the year and boom doesn't happen.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: Fans have wanted this for decades but yet OBD makes us think this is the year and boom doesn't happen. It makes me nervous how convinced the fans are that OBD intends to use an early pick on a QB this year. What is the basis for that assumption?
ALF Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 I would be ok with Alex Smith as a bridge , how high a draft pick KC would want is the ?
PolishDave Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Why would you think Dennison was “the NFL’s best chance” to design an offense around Tyrod? Dennison is literally one of the least imaginative, most inflexible, tone deaf OC’s the NFL has ever seen. Dennison definitely had enough experience to know HOW to do it. He already worked with Tyrod in the past, so he should have known his strengths and weaknesses before coming into Buffalo. And yet he chose NOT to build the offense around Tyrod. Roman kind of did - but his passing attack was weak by design. Lynn may have (probably would have done it), but he will not be a coach here again while Tyrod is still on this team. Dennison was the best chance for that to happen. And for whatever reason, he chose NOT to do it. I am not entirely sure why Dennison chose NOT to do it. But I think the chances of another guy doing it are even less now a year later after Tyrod's weak performance passing this year.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 I think it’s far more likely that Dennison never gets another chance...
PolishDave Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: It makes me nervous how convinced the fans are that OBD intends to use an early pick on a QB this year. What is the basis for that assumption? I am far more nervous of what Castillo's role is going to be in this offense next year. Is he going to stay as offensive line coach? Is he going to be promoted instead? Neither one of those two things is good in my opinion. I hope McDermott isn't keeping him employed as a coach because of some reason other than the guy's coaching ability. The real "SAMMY WATKINS TRADE SHOCKER" sized move they make this offseason could be to promote Castillo to offensive coordinator. Hasn't happened yet though, which is a good sign I guess. This place would be throwing tomatoes. Edited January 13, 2018 by PolishDave 1
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 Promoting Castillo to OC would get McD fired by the end of next season if not sooner. It would be that dumb. Gosh imagine if they could hire Bevell and swing a trade for Doug Baldwin. The offense would finally have some personality.
Rubes Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: It makes me nervous how convinced the fans are that OBD intends to use an early pick on a QB this year. What is the basis for that assumption? Beane's insistence that you need a franchise QB to succeed in this league. He gets it, I have no doubt about that. Like I said in another thread, if the Bills want a franchise QB, this is the year to do it, and the reason is because they have the draft capital to do it. That QB can come from the draft, from FA, or through trade, although I highly doubt the latter. They may trade for Smith, but nobody (especially Beane) is under the illusion that Smith is a franchise QB. He would just be a caretaker. That leaves FA or the draft. My sense is that Cousins is the only real franchise-level QB available in FA, and I would bet that Beane doesn't want to blow the cap on one guy when they have so many other holes to fill. But, given the amount of draft capital they have, it could be an option. That leaves the draft, and with all the picks they have, this is the opportunity to get the person they want. Ideally the guy would fall to us at #21, but I don't see them wanting to risk that. They want a franchise QB, and they are going to do what it takes to get one. They have the picks to get what they want.
xRUSHx Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: It makes me nervous how convinced the fans are that OBD intends to use an early pick on a QB this year. What is the basis for that assumption? IMO when McD was brought in many thought with having a QB like Cam and how they went all in on getting him that McD would want the same for the Bills, that he put QB at the top of the list of need/wants but no he drafted a late rounder and built other positions. We could end up with year two of the exact type of draft avoiding the position. RB in the first with maybe a CB with the second 1st? Sadly IMO the assumption should be another year of Tyrod with OC#4 now being brought in and another late round QB drafted. Why? Sadly after so many years of the same groundhogs day at OBD it never changes. I just wish for the change we thought we were getting with him at HC with the QB position. Does this QB purgatory continue or do they pull the trigger, the assumption is yes but the history of OBD points to no. Maybe someday we will have a QB that teams don't laugh at being a QB, sadly I am starting to think this staff is not the one to make that happen. I hope I am incorrect I really do, I want a real pocket QB with talent. Maybe...fingers crossed once again wishing for better at QB. Edited January 13, 2018 by xRUSHx
The Now Moment Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 3 hours ago, sugashane69 said: Bevell is my choice. I'm ok with tyrod being at qb for a few reasons....... 1. I believe a OC like Bevell will definitely improve tyrods production which improves Buffalos production. 2. We have a chance in this draft to add a bunch of key pieces with our draft pics and maybe even shore up more for future. Play in the positive not the negative! So let's not give away 2 1st rounds this year and possibly another next or even a 2nd also on a crap shoot for the next Tom Brady. 3. TYROD hasn't had eye popping #s no but he does protect the ball. He does throw a pretty ball to and can scramble. New OC (bevell) and a solid off-season w Benjamin Jones Mathews Thompson clay n Oleary or mayne even throw in a new name with our 2 first rounders or possibly Mark Andrews TE from Oklahoma... in the 2nd round and it could be a whole different world next yr. 4. I guess this touches with last point with our draft stock.... 2 back to back picks we could go after a high motor pass rusher a stud DT and maybe even LB/cb. Make that Defense one they all don't want to face. Guys like Smith from Georgia n Evans from bama vita vea from Washington can move for a 300 pounder at DT and was always making plays. I guess the bottom line for me is .... Lets not trade all of our picks when we clearly need a bunch of pieces. This draft if done right and I'm trusting the process(McDermott n Bean have made me a believer) we could take a HUGE step in being serious perennial contenders. I want a QB that can score points. Sure he can protect the ball, can he score points. He's yet to do that in his three years here. Even when we were a higher scoring team, it was mostly because of our number one ranked run game who scored half of the points. Tyrod and his 23 touchdowns just don't cut it for me. And I don't think he throws as pretty a ball as you claim. He usually is off his mark even on completions. I used to want him too, then I rewatched the games and saw the sad truth. He is a blind bat on the field.
bouds Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Seahawk fans hated this guy, I can't behind Bevell as OC. Hawks always struggled on O, struggled a ton when they lost Lynch, don't want that here. Edited January 13, 2018 by bouds 1
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: IMO when McD was brought in many thought with having a QB like Cam and how they went all in on getting him that McD would want the same for the Bills, that he put QB at the top of the list of need/wants but no he drafted a late rounder and built other positions. We could end up with year two of the exact type of draft avoiding the position. RB in the first with maybe a CB with the second 1st? Sadly IMO the assumption should be another year of Tyrod with OC#4 now being brought in and another late round QB drafted. Why? Sadly after so many years of the same groundhogs day at OBD it never changes. I just wish for the change we thought we were getting with him at HC with the QB position. Does this QB purgatory continue or do they pull the trigger, the assumption is yes but the history of OBD points to no. Maybe someday we will have a QB that teams don't laugh at being a QB, sadly I am starting to think this staff is not the one to make that happen. how about waiting until after the draft and fa before assuming/proclaiming doom. I'm not trying to give you a hard time but you have been on a roll with the OC #4, McD's decision making, groundhogs day, QB purgatory, yada, yada, yada when the OC hasn't even been hired yet and the roster, including QB is not even set in stone yet. honestly, I think you're just wasting your time with the negative energy and chances are good it was all for naught. give it time man Edited January 13, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973 1
Chicken Boo Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) People really think, after the Tyrod experiment, that Sean and Brandon would draft Mayfield or Jackson? And Bevel is just a no. Hold on to your butts. Edited January 13, 2018 by Chicken Boo
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, JMF2006 said: Well its not like I think TT is the answer. I am just making an observation that if DB becomes the OC then there is a very real possibility that TT is the bridge QB to another mobile type QB. So Bevell can only work with mobile QBs? And if so, Taylor is the only mobile QB in the NFL? I don't get the connection. Just because he HAS worked with Russell Wilson doesn't mean that is all he can work with. It in no way shape or form means we keep TT and draft only a mobile guy. The thing most people like to forget about Wilson is he is a QB that can occasionally run...not an athlete that can occasionally throw. The narrative on TT that he can be a stop gap is foolish. His greatest accomplishment is that he doesn't throw interceptions. Grand. He also leaves way too many plays that would keep a drive alive on the field... especially on 3rd downs. Just as bad as a turnover.
xRUSHx Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: how about waiting until after the draft and fa before assuming/proclaiming doom. I'm not trying to give you a hard time but you have been on a roll with the OC #4, McD's decision making, groundhogs day, QB purgatory, yada, yada, yada when the OC hasn't even been hired yet and the roster, including QB is not even set in stone yet. honestly, I think you're just wasting your time with the negative energy and chances are good it was all for naught. give it time man I know man, I just am so worried about it. I guess seeing this could just go the same way all over again this off season drives me crazy. I will step back, thanks for being cool with me on my rants, I think I got it out of me for a few. 1
Agent 91 Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Green Lightning said: No, because he's not end game. He would be there to school our new quarterback and in the interim give us solid quarterbacking with accuracy and anticipation with throws. Something we sorely lack. I think it'd be a great scenario. So you haven't watched a bills game this year? What anticipation? What accuracy. I dont want Tyrod anywhere near the new guy. He doesn't read defenses well, he doesn't have touch, what exactly os ot that people want him to teach the new guy. A mentor role is an insane concept for a 29 year old QB. A QB mentor is USUALLY someone who had a long career and is on their way out. There is ZERO reason to leep Tyrod. he is familiar with notjing. Not the OC nor scheme. You only keep Tyrod if you want a QB competition because you genuinely dontlnow what he can do yet
ChasBB Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 ANY thoughts of keeping TT is just a joke. Dennison is taking the axe because TT is crappy QB. If TT could come close to executing a play as designed, Dennison is still employed. This is not a ringing endorsement of Dennison, but there's no one who can build a successful system around TT - it cannot be done and it's unfair to put an OC in the position of being stuck with the worst NFL QB in modern times. 1
MrEpsYtown Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 The stuff that Bevell was doing early in Wilson's career with the read options he really isn't doing much anymore. I think it's tough to type cast Bevell as a mobile quarterback guy just because he coached Russell Wilson. He literally coached one mobile guy in his 20 year career. It does show that he knows how to adjust his offense to the strengths of his players. Tyrod Taylor is nothing like Wilson in that he simply doesn't have the same passing ability. Beane has said that the most important thing is having a quarterback who can win from inside the pocket. That is not, nor will ever be Taylor.
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 It doesn't matter who we get as OC, Tyrod is as good as gone. Tyrod will not be back in Buffalo as our QB. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!
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